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Caught: Labelling An MD As A Boeing By Airline  
User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

While admiring the "new" 747-400 bought by Lion Airlines, I decided to see what else they have been flying. I chuckled when I came across this picture:


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It's interesting to note that the logo is the updated former McDonnell-Douglas logo now used by Boeing, but the font used in "MD-90" is still classic MD...

We all know the debate of using the name "Boeing" on earlier MD produced aircraft, but I am wondering how common a practice this is with airlines outside of North America?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6704 times:

Just a couple of weeks ago in Naples I saw an Alitalia MD-80 that had "McDonnell Douglas Super 80" emblazoned on the engine along with the old logo. My uncle snapped a picture of it just for old time's sake.


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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2283 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6620 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Thread starter):
We all know the debate of using the name "Boeing" on earlier MD produced aircraft, but I am wondering how common a practice this is with airlines outside of North America?

I know this isn't outside of North America, but worth noting since AA is the largest MD-80 operator in the world: http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...=/aboutUs/ourPlanes/boeingMD80.jsp

As a side note, I love that Boeing adopted MD's logo. I still think it's timeless, yet classic. It just sums up the business they're in so well.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6458 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Thread starter):
We all know the debate of using the name "Boeing" on earlier MD produced aircraft, but I am wondering how common a practice this is with airlines outside of North America?

Boeing built MD-90s after the merger and before the 717. But this plane was built pre-merger.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6423 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Just a couple of weeks ago in Naples I saw an Alitalia MD-80 that had "McDonnell Douglas Super 80" emblazoned on the engine along with the old logo. My uncle snapped a picture of it just for old time's sake.

According to an airplane book I have, it was called the DC-9 Series 80 (DC-9-80) from 1980 to 1984 when the name was changed to MD-80.


User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

I remember booking flights down to LAX on Alaska and the schedule listed flights as operated by "Boeing MD-80" aircraft.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6323 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 4):
According to an airplane book I have, it was called the DC-9 Series 80 (DC-9-80) from 1980 to 1984 when the name was changed to MD-80.

It was. But only AA and Alitalia refer to it as the Super 80. There might be a few others too, but mostly it is known as the MD-80.



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6292 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Boeing built MD-90s after the merger and before the 717. But this plane was built pre-merger.

Were they ever officially known as a Boeing MD-90 (as in the type was re-registered as Boeing)? I relaize they have the rights to the MD name, just seems strange.

Funny that American refers to their MD-80's series as Boeings.... Could this be a marketing ploy, thinking that people might associate the aircraft with being older (ok, WE know they are...), because MD hasn't existed for a while now? Is it sort of the same reason the "date of manufacture" plate isn't visible when you walk in a cabin?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6228 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
Were they ever officially known as a Boeing MD-90

Yes, i believe they were, but others on this forum can tell us for sure.

Either way, the aircraft in the picture was delivered in 1996, pre-merger.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6024 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Thread starter):
We all know the debate of using the name "Boeing" on earlier MD produced aircraft, but I am wondering how common a practice this is with airlines outside of North America?

There is no "debate." When Boeing acquired McDonnel Douglas they assumed all of their intellectual property and all of their liabilities. The MD-90 is now as much a Boeing airplane as any 7#7. When an airline goes to the manufacturer for support, they now contact Boeing engineers.

Granted there are people who are nostalgic, but that's why they are called fanboys.

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
Were they ever officially known as a Boeing MD-90 (as in the type was re-registered as Boeing)? I relaize they have the rights to the MD name, just seems strange.

Funny that American refers to their MD-80's series as Boeings.... Could this be a marketing ploy, thinking that people might associate the aircraft with being older (ok, WE know they are...), because MD hasn't existed for a while now?

Yes, Boeing now holds all of the type certificates for MD's former production line.


User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5872 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
It was. But only AA and Alitalia refer to it as the Super 80

The old also Frontier referred to their MD-80's as Super 80's. I still have some of the original marketing posters from when I was a kid.



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User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5687 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 2):
I know this isn't outside of North America, but worth noting since AA is the largest MD-80 operator in the world:

I kinda thought DL was thre largest operator. I believe they have/had approx 120 MD88s in their fleet.


User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5687 times:
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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5115 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5434 times:



Quoting LH526 (Reply 12):


I once saw a DC-3 labeled as Boeing DC-3 in some canadian airport ...

Now THAT is sacreligious!



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5381 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 11):
I kinda thought DL was thre largest operator. I believe they have/had approx 120 MD88s in their fleet.

AA has (or had) almost twice that number, 204, IIRC.

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User currently offlineMoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5274 times:



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 14):
AA has (or had) almost twice that number, 204, IIRC.

Saludos,

More like 275 today, with about 326 a few years ago.



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

I remember flying with a Super-80 sometime in the late 90s with SAS in Norway. I had flown many times with the MD-80s of SAS before and always on the window cover it said: McDonnel Douglas.

Except on this one it said Super 80. I thought it was pretty cool, so I went and checked the manufacturing label by the main entrance (if memory serves it had basic information, serial number etc.) and it said that this particular frame had been made in 1980..

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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5140 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Quoting LH526 (Reply 12):


I once saw a DC-3 labeled as Boeing DC-3 in some canadian airport ...

Now THAT is sacreligious!

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User currently offlineG4LASRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Still rings odd to me when I log into MyBoeingFleet to check on a service bulletin for an MD-80-something...  Smile


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5025 times:



Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 10):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
It was. But only AA and Alitalia refer to it as the Super 80

The old also Frontier referred to their MD-80's as Super 80's. I still have some of the original marketing posters from when I was a kid.

Swissair, the launch customer and first operator, also called it the DC-9 Super 80.


User currently offlineRw717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4962 times:



Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 10):
The old also Frontier referred to their MD-80's as Super 80's. I still have some of the original marketing posters from when I was a kid.

So did the original Republic, and I believe PSA did as well.



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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5115 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4089 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 17):


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2859 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Yes, Boeing now holds all of the type certificates for MD's former production line.

Well, in a sense that's true. But if you visit the FAA's website, they list the TC holder for the MD-90 as McDonnell Douglas Corporation.



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