Gulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 539 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10887 times:
I heard that the ground crew the other day at Lexington accidently jettisoned the tail section of an MD-80 at Lexington. Apparently there was some sort of problem with the stairs of the aircraft and as a result the rear stairs had to be used but the ground crew pulled the emergency jettison handle and as a result the tail section quite litterally 'fell off' onto the ramp.
Toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3320 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10810 times:
It's not as easy to jettison the tailcone as you might think. In my experience, it's a big red handle that you have to pull, not the same as a slide, which can be triggered by simply opening an armed door. Someone had to work hard to make this happen.
And it'll be expensive for the ground handling company at LEX that did it. That's what you get for lowest bidder. Not that the manager there has to worry. I believe he's married to the daughter of the owner....
Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10613 times:
Here is the explanation I found on a website. Don't know if it is accurate. I do know that MD-80's do not have a door on the right rear side.
"Most airlines in the medium size category have 8 emergency exits; two up front, four over the wings and two in the back. However, the MD-80 does not have two exits in the aft part of the fuselage, only one. Instead, the 8th exit is located in the tail. In fact, during an emergency evacuation the whole tailcone is ejected from the fuselage."
PilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10544 times:
It was a quickflight service agent. Don't ask me why?!!!!!, but they thought it was the aft stair control lever. Allegiant clearly marks the panel doors and the tail cone jettison release is higher up and clearly marked as well. how this stuff happens is beyond me.
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3251 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9850 times:
Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 4): It was a quickflight service agent. Don't ask me why?!!!!!, but they thought it was the aft stair control lever. Allegiant clearly marks the panel doors and the tail cone jettison release is higher up and clearly marked as well. how this stuff happens is beyond me.
You hear of a MD-80 series tailcone being jettisoned several times a year from my experience.
Whether being clearly marked or not as to its purpose, you still have to have the emergency egress marked in such a manner as to allow an untrained passenger to be able to deploy the emergency exit if needed.
So the real issue here is training on the service agent involved. The above link shows the tailcone being caught by a basket device to preclude damage to the tailcone. I am not sure if a tailcone that hits the tarmac is a write off or just needs a repair to be serviceable again. Costly none the less.
Looks like tea and biscuits with the boss for sure.
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9659 times:
I just don't get it. This is the second time this has been reported this year (that I've seen). The first was an emergency response person that did it. How people manage to even get to this handle is beyond me. It's got to be 15 feet off the ground! You need stairs or a truck or something to reach it. And some people think just about anyone can work on the ramp. Sheesh.
LMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 4687 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9593 times:
You have to try real hard to jettison the tailcone from the ground. Unless you're Shaquille O'Neal you are going to need a ladder to pull that handle. It's also clearly marked as an emergency jettison handle. Darwin at work I guess.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26382 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9593 times:
Quoting Lindy Field (Reply 3): Oh well, better to lose the tail cone on the ramp than in flight...
An AC DC-9-32 lost the tailcone, rear door to the emergency exit, and part of the pressure builkhead at 25,000 ft. over the Atlantic after departure from BOS in 1979 due to an undetected crack in the pressure bulkhead. Luckily nobody was sucked out of the 5 ft hole due to the sudden depressurization. It made a safe emergency landing back at BOS.
Coincidentally, the same aircraft (C-FTLU) was written off 4 years later in 1983 after an emergency landing at CVG on a DFW-YYZ flight due to a fire in one of the aft lavatories. 23 of the 46 on board died before they could evacuate the burning aircraft.
Arffguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9336 times:
I would imagine that it was done from the inside, not externally.
Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 7): The first was an emergency response person that did it.
My crews are taught not to touch anything unless 1) it is a real emergency 2) there is an airline representative there to show us the item and/or demonstrate it's operation. If we are doing self walk-arounds then we don't touch anything we haven't been trained to do and given permission to touch beforehand.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10912 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8940 times:
Used to happen once in a while with newbies while working the DC-9s. The rear airstair handle and the tailcone jettison handle were behind separate panels but right next to each other at the rear of the a/c. Especially at night, you had to be careful which panel you opened and which handle you pulled. When the MD-80s and later came along, the handles were put on opposit sides of the a/c, at the rear.
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15985 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8800 times:
Quoting USAFDO (Reply 15): I don't understand this... the video shows someone pulling the tail cone out of the way so the slide can be utilized.....
That was just for the purposes of the test I think, and so that the tailcone would not be damaged and couldn't roll or bounce in such a way as to damage the plane. In reality I think that the tailcone would just roll away so the slide could be used.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
WNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1494 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8116 times:
Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 13):
If deployed from inside, I would think than either a pax or flt attndnt would deploy the tailcone.
Either way, an "inside job" is a flt attndnt foo-pah for not disarming the door.
These doors are not armed and disarmed in the sense that most people are used to. They're technically ALWAYS armed. There are two handles available for operation, one you use for normal ops and one for emergencies only. One handle is located above the other on the aft pressure bulkhead door. To arm and disarm the door, all the FA has to do is raise or lower a panel that essential exposes the operating handle that's needed. For instance... for flight, the cover is lowered to expose the emergency handle.. and once parked it's then raised covering the emergency handle and exposing the normal operating handle.
If you use the normal handle the door simply opens.. that's all. You then have access to the tailcone (via a pull down cat-walk) or use of the ventral stairs. If you use the emergency handle it opens the door, releases the tailcone and the slide then falls over the edge and inflates automatically.
If the tailcone fails to drop AFTER using the emergency handle you can walk into the tailcone and pull the release handle. This should release the tailcone and ALSO the slide should drop out over the edge (the slide cover is attached to the tailcone so once that falls, in theory it should take the slide with it. If THAT fails then you can go over to the slide and manually push it over the edge.
I don't know if that helps explain the process a little better or not but as you can see, it's much more complicated than a conventional exit and CAN be confusing, especially for the untrained.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
Flyboy1108 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7469 times:
Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 19): Unless they have a "fly away kit" carrying certain items not to be stranded in a remote area excluded large and heavy items (ie tailcone). I was referring to a slide. Which G3 might.
Yes G4 has a flyaway kit on board all of its aircraft. However because any emergency slides carried in the cargo compartments (and thus excluding the slides equipped on the exits) are considered HAZMAT by the DOT (b/c of compressed gas used to inflate it), and this would require us to fill out a NOPIC every time the plane leaves the gate, they aren't included in the flyaway kit.
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No offense, but what a lame excuse. I work for the company that this agent works ( or worked for ) I know exactly what happened. That tail cone jettison handle is not for passengers, its for emergency crews. The person who did this had to get a step ladder , which is fact. This person is a moron as I stated before. allegiant clearly paints the aft stiar control lever yellow.
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