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AF A332 Missing (F-GZCP) - Part 1  
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1430 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125668 times:

Headlines just starting to come across the wires about an AF plane with 215 people onboard that has dropped off radar off the Coast of Brazil.

An Air France plane with 215 people
on board is missing after dropping off radar off Brazil’s
Atlantic coast, Agence France-Presse said, citing an airport
official in Paris.

Flight was apparently enroute from Rio to CDG

More updates as news comes through


[Edited 2009-06-01 02:49:56]

[Edited 2009-06-01 03:07:52]

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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125887 times:

Scrolling on BBC news website, and Breaking news on Sky News.

Oh no  Sad

User currently offlineDAL763ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125750 times:

Where did you get this? Hope everyone's ok.

User currently offlineN53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125663 times:

Just saw the same on BBC, waiting anxiously for more details on this.

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 16 years ago today! , 29154 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125691 times:

CNN Reporting GIG-CDG "Airbus" is missing having "dropped off radar"

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1994 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125814 times:

I just heard this on French TV but no details at all. They just said it's an airbus. Probably AF447 that s operated by A332 (the previous flight from GIG is a B744)
Let's hope...   

[Edited 2009-06-01 02:54:39]

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125574 times:

Heard that on BFM TV.
Out of the radar for more than 4 hours now.

This is an Airbus (A340 or A330 ?) linking GIG with CDG.

Took off from GIG at 08.00 (Paris time)

Hope it's only a radar failure on board this Airbus...

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2919 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125437 times:

According to adp.fr, the plane is supposed to arrive in Paris in 10 minutes. I am sure everything is OK

User currently offlineLsgg From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 577 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125415 times:

He should have landed at 11h10 GMT+2 at CDG

Swissair forever !
User currently offlineCurlyheadboy From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125403 times:

I take it as they also lost comms other than radar contact... sounds nasty, let's hope for the best  Sad

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User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125272 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 6):
Hope it's only a radar failure on board this Airbus...

Then you still would have VHF, Transponder or at least a dead radar echo at center ATC.

[Edited 2009-06-01 03:02:09]

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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125282 times:

The AF website has no information for AF447, and as the other flight has landed, it must be this service.

User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125288 times:

Hoping for the best but fearing the worst.  worried 

Sad to say a large commercial a/c lost to radar over the ocean means bad & sad news 99 times out of 100.

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125268 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 10):
Than you still would have a VHF, Transponder or a radar echo.

It should have landed already.

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 125120 times:

Right LH526............but if all is out of service onboard ...

Confirmed as an Airbus A330-200.

User currently offlineChootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 124865 times:

Hoping the best for all concerned....  pray   pray   pray   pray   pray 

User currently offlineB707forever From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 124598 times:

I don't understand why this is only being reported now and not 8 or 9 hours ago when it missing. They opened "Morning Joe" with this story.

User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 124594 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Right LH526............but if all is out of service onboard ...

In that case I'm sure portuguese, spain and french fighter jets would have scrambled within minutes to check that unidentified radar echo bound for CDG ...

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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 124188 times:

orf.at writes it got lost somewhere before paris, off the french coast...

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User currently offlineCurlyheadboy From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 124181 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 17):

In that case I'm sure portuguese, spain and french fighter jets would have scrambled within minutes to check that unidentified radar echo bound for CDG ...

I'm sure we don't have any more detailed info, let's hope it's a hoax

If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 123792 times:

Sky News here in Australia were reporting 215 people on board.

But they just changed that to 228 people on board.

Thinking that the first number was not taking account of crew.

Hope this is not true, and the flight will arrive at CDG any second. Although, it doesn't look too good right now, it being late, and it being out of contact for a while now.


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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 123825 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 17):
In that case I'm sure portuguese, spain and french fighter jets would have scrambled within minutes to check that unidentified radar echo bound for CDG ...

That's what I was thinking, even without an operational transponder, something the size of an A330 would still show up on radar as a pretty sizeable unidentified echo albeit without an alt readout.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7805 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 123797 times:

Pray hard, people. Let's all hope this isn't as bad as it seems.

✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 123807 times:

Quoting B707forever (Reply 16):
I don't understand why this is only being reported now and not 8 or 9 hours ago when it missing. They opened "Morning Joe" with this story.

Right, wondered the same .... as long as nothing bad is confirmed, it won't make the media too fast. Off radar is not that spectacular ... I'm sure all center ATCs as well as AF ops tried desperately to contact the plane .... as well as crew trying to reach someone out there via the satelite telephones onboard or in a last vain attempt .... via cellphones. If electrics failed in such a large scale and even redundant systems don't kick in (Most Airbus have 3 redundant systems as well as the rat wich should kick in if all three fail) large scale shit will hit the fan.

[Edited 2009-06-01 03:10:45]

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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 123378 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 18):
orf.at writes it got lost somewhere before paris, off the french coast...

BBC states the a/c was lost to radar at approx 0600 GMT it was scheduled to land at 0910 GMT so would have been just over 3 hours out from Paris.

Edited to add the same BBC report states that a crisis centre has been set up at CDG.

[Edited 2009-06-01 03:15:55]

25 7gm7 : Just saw it on Fox News about 3 mins. ago as soon as I woke up. Still no further info. Hope everyone is OK.
26 Goldorak : I-tele in France just said that Brazilian civil aviation authorities advised French authorities of the dissappearance of the A/C "long" after it, so t
27 LH526 : It's AF447 F-GZPC, last timechange was at 8:56 AM UTC for ETA 11:14[Edited 2009-06-01 03:20:48]
28 Gkirk : AF447 I believe, operated by an A332
29 Acelanzarote : thats what I cannot understand, had to read the thread twice to make sure I understood which way it was heading... Not sure who controlls the air spa
30 Dsidious : I really hope everythings ok... Its 228 onboard..
31 CHCalfonzo : That would put the aircraft near the north-west coast of Africa if it were around 3 hours from Paris, possibly even closer to Spain.
32 PDXflyer31 : Absolutely shocking story...I couldn't believe it when I saw the breaking news banner on CNN a few minutes ago. Newer widebody + first rate airline, y
33 David L : BBC are now saying it went missing at 0600 GMT "off Brazil". Edit: Not surprisingly in a thread that's going to move pretty fast, someone else beat m
34 Wolbo : Sounds very bad. Probably the best we can currently hope for is another Hudson-like waterlanding miracle but the odds of that are slim.
35 FCKC : Confirmed A330-200 F-GZPC.
36 BestWestern : To those of us who fly frequently - there for the grace of god we go
37 EDICHC : I truly hope we are both utterly wrong...but I agree with you.
38 AirCatalonia : That puts it somewhere around the Canary Islands rather than the coast of Brazil, does it?
39 LTBEWR : The deepest fears with this probable disaster are 1) a sudden, catastropic structural failure, or 2) a terror bomb exploded on board. The lack of any
40 A320ajm : According to BBC, the Brazilian Air Force have launched a search and rescue operation. Not good news :S
41 Oly720man : Acars has this as F-GZCP (A332 AF) 0053 20090601 AF0447 (GIG-CDG) the time (UTC) presumably shortly after it took off in Brazil.
42 SeansasLCY : Twitter: @BreakingNews AP: A search and rescue mission has been launched near the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha Apparently this would be the
43 Sketty222 : I agree, you would have thought that it would have ben in touch with ATC in Canary Islands or at least some sort of European centre (the southern atl
44 Boeingdotcom : I hope it isn't the cold clouds around Rio. (CNN's weather report) God bless people onboard to be safe. Btw, any information of that aircraft? Old/new
45 Post contains links Mortyman : Apparently, the plane went missing from control tower radar in Rio, just off the coast of Brazil Norwegian newspaper quoting AFP and Skynews http://ww
46 EDICHC : Sadly this has all the hall marks of Air India 182.
47 VS773ER : Hope this ends on the best way possible. You sure no F-GZCP. DD 18-04-2005
48 Viasa : There is no plane with this registration. Do you mean F-GZCC (c/n 448) or F-GZCP (c/n 660)[Edited 2009-06-01 03:28:24]
49 NorthstarBoy : FWIW, it appears that the arrival/departure info for the flight have been blocked on the AF website, usually not a good sign, but we'll keep our finge
50 Pe@rson : Can't imagine what it would be like being in their situation.
51 LH526 : Anyway ... some controller must have been in contact with the plane and knows more than we know currently. He would have been in charge and could tel
52 UAXDXer : How much you want to bet that the media has no idea that the majority of this particular flight is operated in NON-Radar Airspace. However, the crew
53 A380900 : What's the track record of A330 and Air France ? Any casualties before on A330? When is the last Air France crash?
54 Haavig : ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: F-GZCP [Airbus A332] Message label: _ Block id: 0 Msg no: S72A Flight id: AF0447 [GIG-CDG] [Air France] ------------------
55 NIKV69 : Yep, the lack of radio contacts lead you to believe they didn't experience mechanical trouble or something along those lines. Points to something sud
56 Gkirk : The crash landing at Toronto?
57 AA777 : This is unbelievable. I really hope they find the aircraft... At this point, it was supposed to have arrived in CDG, and it has not, according to AP w
58 EDICHC : BBC are quoting an official at CDG who states that the a/c went missing at 0600 GMT which, if correct, would put it in an area somewhere between the
59 LH526 : Would have been the A340 RWY overshoot in Canada
60 SpeedyGonzales : That was what I was thinking. That it went beyond brazilian radar coverage as expected, but failed to show up on Cape Verde radar.
61 BuyantUkhaa : That would put it somewhere near the Canary Islands, right?
62 PDXflyer31 : The Concorde in 2000 was the last fatality crash I believe.
63 Sketty222 : It would seem strange to have a S+R around 2 hours flight from GIG but CDG didnt lose contact with the aircraft until 0600GMT We all know that media
64 A320ajm : I understand what you are saying, but that's hardly off the coast of Brazil. Why would the Brazilian Air Force launch an SAR operation? Surely it wou
65 SASDC8 : Not good news at all. I cross my fingers until wreckage is found. Must be absolutely dreadful for families of those on board, when it takes so long to
66 Justloveplanes : It sounds like CDG was told the aircraft was missing at 6 GMT, but was actually missing much earlier, and hence the rescue operation from Brazil. You
67 Chootie : The longer we don´t here anything, the more I get the feeling that it is really bad. God help them all
68 LH526 : The non radar airspace on the southern atlantic crossing is not that large ... Recife center goes way out on the sea ... and depending on route some
69 JRadier : Wouldn't it be wise to launch an operation if there is a slight chance you might find something? Not much point in debating who is responsible when l
70 Par13del : Unfortunately, that is one of the key aspects of this, a/c today also have equipment on board which allows them to stay in contact with their home ba
71 A380900 : When is the last deadly Air France crash? Some idiot just declares that there was no hope of finding the plane. The plane is somewhere, we just don't
72 September11 : Waiting for details ..................
73 AF2323 : Unfortunately, AF just said that there is no hope anymore... (watching french TV now)
74 FCKC : Air France said there is no chance to find the plane. Lost off the Moroccan coast. It's of course F-GZCP The French transport Minister is on the way t
75 HUYguy : It should have landed 2 1/2 hours ago according to the BBC. I pray that everyone onboard is safe.
76 LH526 : We would need info on the last confirmed ATC contact and the filed flightplan ... there are plenty of ways to cross the southern atlantic .... the cor
77 JOEYCAPPS : Things like this put life into perspective... as much as we all love aviation on here, we need to respect it moreso. Proof positive that we are the me
78 NZ107 : Not the best news I'd want to hear. Hope everything's ok, but seeing that it seems a while has passed since it went missing, it doesn't look promising
79 UAXDXer : The crew is still required to send position reports every hour to the controlling Oceanic Authority. In the U.S. these same position reports would go
80 SASDC8 : News is all over CNN now, and it does not look good at all. It should have landed now and it has not. Richard Quest is on about the last known radar c
81 Danfearn77 : Correct. It really does strike home when something like this happens. An excellent airliner with an amazing safety record and a first class airline.
82 JOEYCAPPS : I don't care what coast its lost off of, there will ALWAYS be a trace of wreckage. Somewhere, somehow, something WILL pop up. Be it a section of the
83 Dispatchguy : But remember, there is no joint operational control over there like we have over here. So, who knows how long after a missing position report would s
84 EDICHC : BBC confirming that special arrangements now in place at CDG for persons who were intending to meet that flights arrival.
85 777klm : Does anyone know the codeshare flightnumbers of this flight?
86 Swiftski : First in pax service, yes. Impeccable records all round.
87 Futurestar68 : orf.at writes "there is nor more hope for the people on board the aircraft". (www.orf.at)
88 UAXDXer : That was my point... Some countries in Europe do have joint pilot/dispatcher authority. Not sure if France is one of them.
89 AirCatalonia : Definitely doesn't good look at all. If it had landed anywhere, even in the most remote island we would know by now. The only "good news" I can think
90 JOEYCAPPS : It seems like AF is pretty damned convinced they'll never find the wreckage!
91 EK413 : OMG... I pray this is a faulty radar... EK413
92 Australis : I pray that everyone can be found alive and well, but due to current reports and from what i read here and on other sites, the situation does not seem
93 AF1624 : I really could have been on that plane. I'm a regular on those routes. It's scary as hell. I'm one of those who trust in aviation and technology and s
94 Gkirk : Only 1 other A330 crash - the A330-300 Airbus test plane in 1994?
95 EDICHC : First loss of a 330 (in commercial service), last accidents involving AF were the 340 overrun at Toronto - no fatalities and the last fatalities were
96 LH526 : Wouldn't it still be dark off the brasilian coast at the time of ditching? Black night without a fullmoon would render any ditching attempt hopeless!
97 B707forever : Like most incidents we are hearing differing reports (some say off the coast of Brazil within an hour of departure, others are saying near Morocco coa
98 Mikelive : As a member of the flying public, my heart and prayers go out to all aboard the flight, their families, and everyone in the aviation community. Not ex
99 Viasa : Yes, this is true. Two A330-200s were damaged in Colombo by bombs from the Tamil Tigers. And one Malaysia A330-300 was an W/O after some chemical des
100 LH526 : Mid atlantic water isn't quite shallow ... but I still think Airbus and AF are both highly interested in finding the black boxes and so finding the w
101 777DAD : I'm not feeling very well about this.I hope this goes well.
102 Pilot21 : Latest (but not from AF) An Air France plane flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris disappeared 186 miles (300 kilometers) off the eastern Brazilian coas
103 KingFriday013 : Anyone have links to major news sources? I'm interested in just how this is being presented to the rest of the public. Hopefully we're all wrong and i
104 MP : Referring to the SPIEGEL, the aircraft disappeared 300km off the coast of Natal. All my condolence to the victims families.[Edited 2009-06-01 03:57:27
105 BestWestern : Dont read into what is probably no more than a badly translated quote from an ill-informed news agency in a paniced situation. Air France are a quali
106 Post contains links Mortyman : A search and rescue operation has begun from the Brasilian island group of Fernando de Noronha, AP reports. According to the Brasilian newschannel Glo
107 Gkirk : Definitely not. It sounds like it was a French radio station hasd been speaking to an Air France "source". However, the longer this goes on, the wors
108 EDICHC : Have to say lost over ocean, no mayday call, main suspects have to be either accidental and sudden catastrophic structural failure (TWA800) or terror
109 LXfan : According flight stats, no code share on this route Jean Louis Borloo, French Transport Minister on itele (french new tv) : "nothing is definitiv, bu
110 Turbulenc3 : What a sad case of events. A true shocker to wake up to this morning. Damn
111 IH8BY : I think when they (though as far as I can see, 'they' is an airport source, NOT Air France) say there's 'no hope' of finding the plane, I think they'
112 LH526 : 3 hours behind ETA is wway beyond any sreserve fuel! If they did land somewhere safely they woud have reported immediately
113 Voodoo : Not speculating as to -what- happened, but I am trying to recall the communicationss (or comparative lack of) that happened -during- previous 'similar
114 EDICHC : The locator beacons on the FDR and CVR operate for up to 30 days.
115 LVZXV : Yes, but when your number is up, your number is up. No technology is there to safeguard you from your fate. Just imagine how assured you--as anyone--
116 Post contains links Mortyman : A search and rescue operation has begun from the Brazilian archipelago Fernando de Noronha, according to AP. According to the Brazilian news channel G
117 CityhopperNL : Absolutely terrible to hear this, let us all pray for the people on board this airplane and hope for the best. A simple calculation would yield that i
118 CuriousFlyer : France is a target now, it has made a lot of people unhappy in the Middle East since the new president started siding with the Americans, eg joining
119 SASDC8 : Turn on CNN or go to cnn.com. Richard Quest is in the studio so there is at least not the usual stupid comments that news anchors normally get into.
120 LXfan : According France 2, at 3.30 AM (French time), the pilot was in conversation with their company and was reporting hard turbulance and the conversation
121 Stil : So sad news... Hope is vanishing every minute without news. My thoughts are now with the people on board and their relatives. Stil
122 EBGflyer : Still nothing on the Air France website. Shouldn't they at least give some sort of notification???
123 BuyantUkhaa : That would be the first clue regarding location and cause... if confirmed.
124 David L : There's no way that was meant to imply that they wouldn't bother looking.
125 Carmelo : Weird that even no emergency call was given from the pilots, could guess of an explosion on board as well. Let's wait...
126 CuriousFlyer : Could turbulence have destroyed an airplane? It would have needed to be very strong, was there any weather problems in the area?
127 EDICHC : Which is 0130 GMT, 4hr 30 min earlier that the time quoted by officials at CDG. Goes a long way to explain the searches off the Brazilian coast.
128 LH526 : Well, IF the plane went missing near F. de Noronha, it was still in the hands UTA Recide ATC. It either went on the usual UB623 or UN 873 to ORARO, B
129 777DAD : CNN reports it is likely F-GZCP delivered in 2005.[Edited 2009-06-01 04:32:12]
130 Sketty222 : Quoted on the BBC news website Weather around the area of FEN is currently: METAR SBFN 011100Z 04010KT 9999 SCT017 FEW020TCU 28/23 Q1013
131 LH526 : Thought so and exactly what I talked about in my first posts .... these Amazonia turbulences around recife up to GRU are among the heaviest in the re
132 MadameConcorde : I have just heard about this accident on the Classic FM (UK) news. Went looking on Flyertalk, member Chrissxb said: france2 TV reports that pilot info
133 RayChuang : If I remember correctly, if that AF A330-200 had ditched successfully it would have been able to send a special distress signal that could be picked u
134 Pellegrine : Oh no, first I hear of this! Lost over a barren swath of ocean.
135 Post contains links Oly720man : From last monday...... http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...zil-flight-bn052609,0,278375.story RIO DE JANEIRO - Three people remain hospitalized to
136 EIRules : Ex BA 747 pilot on Sky News blaming this on the plane being 2 engined, what utter rubbish to make such a statement with no facts as to cause yet. The
137 LXfan : According Gérard Feldzer, director of Air Museeum in Le Bourget, at cruise, the aircraft is at 10.000 meters. In case of a hard meteo problem, it's
138 LH526 : Towering Cumulus underneath... typical for the area but not too bad ... however a possible indication
139 Springbok747 : Looks bad, but can turbulence really bring down an A332? Wonder what has happened. Still nothing on the Air France website..can't imagine what the fam
140 LVZXV : It can be pretty severe in the ITCZ, though in my 24 years of hopping over it, I have usually experienced the turbulence to be short and sharp rather
141 SASDC8 : If that time is correct it would still be quite close to Brazil? And if they were cut off in the middle of a conversation, it sounds like something a
142 LY777 : This is very sad they say it may be due to strong thundersorms
143 SpeedyGonzales : A quick look on Google Earth tells me that the depth between Brazil and Cape Verde is over 3000m in the wast majority of the area, with over 5000m in
144 A350 : I hope that also the Brazilian navy is participating in the operation in order to pick up potential survivors or at least wreckage parts and going to
145 LH526 : Same here, I have flown this south atlantic crossing countless of times and always inexperienced passengers who fly this route for the first time tur
146 Ecb747 : Not looking good. My thought to the families and friends of the passangers. On Sky News now a former 744 pilot is claiming an accident like this was b
147 GST : Not likely, but the law of averages has a space for everything. If this were the case, the turbulence would likely only prompt something already near
148 Post contains links Mgmacius : Don't know what to say, but Wikipedia hyenas already put this on their page, even when nothing is confirmed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France
149 LXfan : Any confirmation about the meteo (itele correspondant in Brazil)
150 Spacecadet : Turbulence can bring down any airplane. That's why pilots are trained in how to avoid turbulence that's actually dangerous. CAT usually is not danger
151 EDICHC : Entirely possible. Back in 1966 a BOAC Boeing 707 was quite literally torn to pieces by clear air tubulence near Tokyo. The windshear forces generate
152 LXfan : The French Breguet Atlantic aircraft has take off from Dakar airport.
153 PIA777 : I agree. What losers!! PIA777
154 777DAD : I like the way they say it's a 707.Sheesh
155 LH526 : Nothing too bad ... 10kts and towering cumulus ... along with the usual turbulences
156 Speedbird128 : No, these routes are well north of our area of responsibility.
157 NA : Of cause its nonsense to say so if the cause is still unknown. A twin-engine-related problem is one of many possibilities. Did this pilot mention thi
158 L410Turbolet : One would expect at least a bit of professionalism from a former airline pilot.
159 SASDC8 : They should have the courtesy to wait until confirmation is in...
160 EBGflyer : My friend once traveled from FRA to RIO on RG8745 (December 5, 2002) and hit turbolence somewhere over the Atlantic so hard that some of the overhead
161 Mortyman : The plane would be empty of fuel now, if it was still flying... REAUTERS
162 Hardiwv : In Brazil the news say that there is little hope. The plane got caught in heavy turbulence near Fernando de Noronha island. Air France has opened a ho
163 LH526 : Sure, I just pointed out the possible South atlantic crossings, not necessarily the one AF447 took. Back in the late 90s I jumpseated an LH B744 enro
164 Mgmacius : Yeah, they even updated A330 page - now under accidents you can read about flight 447, like there is any knowledge about it's fate... Jesus Christ, w
165 Emaman : Very sad news, i really have to fear for the worse now My hopes of this aircraft being found on a remote island in the atl are slowly dissipating My d
166 Caspritz78 : And that's why modern airplanes have a weather radar on board so you can see the bad weather in advance and can avoid it.
167 Lu : Out of the radar for more than 5 hours. No contacting, why?
168 Borism : They just collect known facts on one simple page, not many will read this whole thread or all news sources on this. Hope all goes well, seems that di
169 Zeke : Air France thinks all are lost, understand the location (area) of the aircraft is known from ADS/CPDLC, not radar. Looked at the SIGWX ad SAT images f
170 MadameConcorde : From FlyerTalk with my own quick translation: Official announcement on AF internet site: Paris, 01 juin 2009 - 13h14 heure locale Premier communiqué
171 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : F-GZCP: View Large View MediumPhoto © Gabriel Widyna
172 BAViscount : I wonder if this is the same BA pilot that wrote an article for one of the Sunday supplements back in the late 80s. He was basically stating that he
173 MilesDependent : Refreshing to have Richard Quest on CNN, compared to the usual media morons... Richard - I am sure you are reading this - good job!
174 S.p.a.s. : Very sad accident.. This kind of occurrence can normally be traced back to only a couple of options, like hijacking (unlikely, IMHO), a catastrophic f
175 RootsAir : What a shocking news! I seriously hope nothing bad happened even if chances are low . My prayers go to the passenger and crew BM
176 LongHaul67 : Shocking news. I fly this rote on a regular basis, and flew on AF447 just a few months ago. We are approaching the southern hemisphere winter. Would t
177 Springbok747 : Finally..some info on the AF website... First press release Air France regrets to announce that it has lost contact with flight AF 447 from Rio de Jan
178 Post contains links MadameConcorde : From Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN0144327420090601 reporting 3-3.5 hours into the flight
179 NA : As they were flying through heavy turbulence when contact was lost, it would be a very rare case of coincidence if a bomb would have exploded at exac
180 E195 : apparently a message saying and 'electrical short circut' after 'strong turbulance' has been mentioned in the press conference e195
181 N14AZ : Reminds me of the Air Transat A330 which lost part of it's tail also over the Atlantic Ocean. Although, IIRC it wasn't damaged by turbulences. One th
182 MadameConcorde : Already done. See post 173
183 Hardiwv : Brazil Air Force has currently a Hercules aircraft searching for the plane in the Atlantic Ocean, reports Rio's OGlobo newspaper. Rgs,
184 Caspritz78 : Translation can be found in Reply 173.
185 LongHaul67 : Didn't Air Transat run out of fuel?
186 Hardiwv : AF hotline in Brazil and France: Brasil: 0800 881 2020 Internacional: 00 33 1 57 02 1055 Rgs,
187 Mindscape : Air France itself has just declared that the plane sent an automated message around 4am Paris time mentionning total electric shut down (according to
188 Tom355uk : Good God.... an awful reminder of the risks we take in everyday life, even something as seemingly simple as stepping onto an aircraft and assuming tha
189 EDICHC : All are possibilities really.
190 S.p.a.s. : The weather forecast charts for the region show indeed very strong ITCZ activity and CB's with tops up to FL500(!). I just heard on local news that th
191 Hardiwv : Lates news in Brazil and CNN that the airplace in fact suffered an accident near the coast of Morocco. Rgs,
192 N14AZ : No, I didn't mean this incident. There was another incident (accident) where the rudder was ripped of from the tail.
193 Buslover : This is what I find on France Soir: L'aviation brésilienne a perdu la trace du vol vers 01h30 GMT (03h30 française), soit trois heures et demi aprè
194 Superhub : This came from Air France itself. So some substance.
195 Post contains images AviationMaster : Air France regrets to inform, that is no new information concerning Flight 447 (GIG-CDG), which was supposed to have arrived at 11:15AM Paris LT. The
196 EDICHC : It did. A fuel leak compounded by mismanagement of the problem by the flight crew led to the a/c running out of fuel a couple of hundred miles from t
197 EK413 : CNN have confirmed the aircraft has run out of fuel by now... This is a very sad report if true... EK413
198 Rquesty : i am following what is being said on here. the big discrepancy so far is whether it was on the western side of the atlantic or the eastern side. the w
199 Tom355uk : Ok.... I know I said i wouldnt start making assumptions...but..... Glass cockpit blackout? safely ditched but no means of communication? Here's hoping
200 Pilot21 : The Air Transit A330 incident was a fuel issue (or lack of it!) I believe the incident you are thinking about was the almost complete loss of an Air
201 AirGabon : French Air Force sent a Breguet Atlantique aircraft based in Dakar Airport (Senegal) to Cape Verde area to start search. Assuming the area is between
202 Post contains links Breiz : Make it an A310 and you will be closer to the truth. Flight from Varadero to Quebec City, so barely the Atalantic Ocean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
203 S.p.a.s. : The A330 ran out of fuel. But a A310 lost part of the rudder as well. IIRC it was traced back to humidity turning into ice inside the tail honeycomb
204 LXfan : According F.Grangier, expert on the french supreme court (cour de cassation), it's probably an inflight destruction. The cause could be the explosion
205 MoMan : Could someone post a Google drawing of a typical routing? I'm not familiar with this part of the world.
206 CityhopperNL : It is now assumed that the plane never made contact with Cape Verde. If it is true that there was contact at 3.30 AM French time, then this would hav
207 LH526 : Off course it has .. simple technical calculation. By now it either landed somewhere safe, in that case somebody would have noticed and called home .
208 Starlionblue : Also the first time a latest generation Western widebody (330/340, 777, 380) has a fatal accident in service. Not sure about the Russian types. The o
209 Hardiwv : According to Reuters the pilot reported electric problem with plane and possible short cirucit is one of the various possibilities. Rgs,
210 LH526 : How can you PRESUME? It either did, thatn there are records and a Caboverde controler knowing, or there wasn't that there are no records at all. ...
211 Gkirk : Short circuit ---> Possible onboard fire, Swissair flight 111 anybody?
212 Alasdair1982 : BBC and Sky news reporting the aircraft sent a message that there was a "short circuit"
213 MadameConcorde : Any idea how old this aircraft is? Was it new when AF started flying it? Is this aircraft type appropriate for such a long route?
214 Hardiwv : This is correct, and this is why Brazil Air France is focusing the rescue around Fernando de Noronha island, but according to CNN there is a chance t
215 Post contains links Viasa : Here is the link to the reports of Air France: http://alphasite.airfrance.com/s01/
216 Post contains images MoMan : I found this on BBC
217 AJ : All speculation, but I am reading a similar timeline to that of QF72. A 'severe turbulence encounter' that wound up being an ADIRU fault and an essent
218 Curlyheadboy : To be taken with a grain of salt, but some sources are now reporting the captain informed ATC of passing through "heavy turbulence" prior to loss of c
219 Hardiwv : Brazil's radio CBN confirms that AF pilot sent a message reporting curt circuit related to electrical problem. This information is now confirmed by CN
220 Lsgg : In the case of SR111, crew had time to contact Halifax and hardly made a safety landing (question of few minutes).
221 Sebolino : Last news I heard at the radio talked about a major electrical failure. An automatic diagnostic message has apparently been sent by the plane. They sa
222 Osiris30 : Point of order on this topic guys: Even if the plane is found and everyone is alive, the aircraft still suffered some kind of incident. Regardless of
223 Starlionblue : Age is likely not an issue. The aircraft is at most from the 90's and AF has good maintenance. As for aircraft type, it is quite appropriate and is i
224 TripleDelta : What about lightning? Despite modern aircraft being well protected, it could have happened none the less (the law of averages mentioned earlier). TCU
225 CityhopperNL : And now reports from Brazil are appearing that are consistent with this: "An Air France jet missing with 228 people on board disappeared from Brazili
226 Airlittoral : Last report says the plane was in the middle of a thunderstorm and an automated message was sent indicating an electrical failure.
227 S.p.a.s. : Just to clarify, the normal order of radio hand overs for this route is: Recife-ACC on VHF Atlantico ACC on HF Dakar Oceanic ACC on HF Sal Oceanic ACC
228 Alasdair1982 : Sky News now saying there could have been a lightning strike
229 ComeAndGo : Remember Qantas A332 inflight upsets due to navigation system malfunctions. At this point it can be anything. Turbulence, lightning strike, collision
230 LH526 : So, that would nearly 99% rule out a successful ditching! Ditch at night without a clear view on the sea and only GPWS etc to rely on .... hardly an
231 Mgmacius : I always thought that wiki is encyclopaedia, not news source, but not anymore it seams...
232 Breiz : Air France indicates (France Inter French radio reporting) that the A330 may have been severely damaged by heavy thunder lightnings.
233 Sebolino : That's what I heard also. But still, an electrical failure doesn't explain all, does it ?
234 Johruk : What terrible news...My thoughts go to the families of all those on board. One thought going through my mind, if turbulance was a possible factor, is
235 Post contains links MadameConcorde : This is the English language news release provided by Air France http://alphasite.airfrance.com/s01/?L=1 I would not speculate as to what caused this
236 AJ : It was a A330-300 and an ADIRU as I mentioned above.
237 S.p.a.s. : Being an "electrical" plane it is not so unlikely at all. With multiple system failures, at night, over the sea, in the middle of a storm, things can
238 Post contains links Davescj : Per National Public Radio 2 pm CDG time June 1 No sign of a plane in the Atlantic. The Brazilian airforce is looking about 200 miles from Natal. The F
239 ItalianFlyer : CNN is going to report that there is evidence it was hit by lightning
240 Starlionblue : CNN interviewed an expert (John Cox), who put it well: "Speculation this early is almost always wrong. We know that something unfortunate has happened
241 EXAAUADL : I dont think it would be a bomb, no western aircraft has been brought down by a bomb in 20 years. Onboard fires are the worst thing that can happen wh
242 MadameConcorde : AF source apparently says plane was "probably struck by lightning", according to AFP and Sky news. Sky News mentioned there'd be a press conference /
243 Directorguy : Hi guys, Is there anyway we can find out the entire history of the aircraft involved (i.e. the routes it operated)? Thanks
244 Tom355uk : Does anybody remember UA731?? Lost all electrical systems and radios, transponders, everything. luckily for them it was daylight in VFR not far from E
245 Post contains links Springbok747 : The BBC are saying that there was an 'electrical short circuit' after turbulence. What sort of electrical fault can bring down a modern airliner so su
246 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Crash: Air France A332 over Atlantic on June 1st 2009, aircraft missing By Simon Hradecky, created Monday, Jun 1st 2009 10:17Z, last updated Monday, J
247 MoMan : There is the possibility the airplane inadvertently flew into a thunderstorm, possibly suffered severe turbulence and multiple lightning strikes. What
248 Starlionblue : Possible? Certainly. It would be in the logs. But I don't think you can dig that all out from online sources. Very far from identical. If nothing els
249 Osiris30 : Please define the difference. It's not Wiki's fault their media selection allows them to update instantly, while traditional encyclopedia's take year
250 Hardiwv : According to French Ministry of Transport there was a "cleat failure of the aircraft probably related to electric problems" (live interview on CDG). R
251 Rajrs : Yes , Hope everybody is safe. Rajrs.
252 C680 : PARIS (AP) -- Air France says the Airbus jet that disappeared en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris sent an automatic signal indicating electrical pro
253 Post contains links MadameConcorde : On PPRuNe Reported earlier that this was F-GZCB. If so this aircraft was grounded at Bengaluru for 4 days with major electrical issues in march this y
254 Hardiwv : Electric problems is now coming as the strongest evidence reported by authorities and many news agencies. Rgs,
255 LH526 : Flight id: AF0447 [GIG-CDG] [Air France] Flight id: AF0444 [CDG-GIG] [Air France] Flight id: AF0191 [BLR-CDG] [Air France] Flight id: AF0192 [CDG-BLR]
256 Post contains links Moderators : Time for part 2 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4429616/
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