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NW (DL) 747 F/A Staffing....ATL-NRT  
User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Does anyone know how the NW 747's flying from ATL-NRT are staffed with NW F/A's?

Did NW open a satellite ATL base to staff these types of flights since DL F/A are not allowed to work that ACFT yet?

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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9310 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5090 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Thread starter):

Does anyone know how the NW 747's flying from ATL-NRT are staffed with NW F/A's?

Yes NWA crews work these flights. Im not sure who is working the ramp for these flights. I know they use DL tugs/can loaders but not sure if NW is just "leasing" them or if Delta is working the flights.

NWAFA opened a ATL base I believe and the Delta FAs did the same in MSP and PDX



yep.
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4978 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
Im not sure who is working the ramp for these flights

Northwest does the ground handling. Remember Delta people can't touch NW planes where there is mainline NW employee's there not even supposed to touch the bags at the ticket counter.



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4776 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 2):
Northwest does the ground handling. Remember Delta people can't touch NW planes where there is mainline NW employee's there not even supposed to touch the bags at the ticket counter.

Does DL segregate their ticket counters in ATL when the NRT and HNL flights are checking in? I know that they don't generally segregate their counter any other time of the day. I have even checked international bags in the "domestic" region of the self-checkin.


User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

DL and NW F/As are trained in very differently in emergency procedures so until both groups are trained in the same set of emergency procedures they can't fly together. Being trained on the 747 isn't as simple as learning to open and close the door. NW and DL F/As were trained differently in how to evacuate an aircraft which would probably be a disaster if the two groups were ever involved in an emergency evacuation together.


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User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

M11Stephen.....totally disagree with what you said.

2 Different F/A's coming from 2 different carriers would have no problem working an emergency together.

F/A's already have in depth knowledge of emergency emergency situations/procedures. Ea. airline may use different "code" words, and operate somewhat different from another, but the actions still follow some sort of basic common sense routine.

If there was a NW 747 flying from ATL-NRT that experienced an in flight emergency, and was going to do an emergency landing w/evacuation, it would be no problem for, say DL F/A's to approach the crew and say....I'm here, I'm a DL F/A....can I held...what do you want me to do?

It's going to be a basic run down of the procedures...and not that much more.....THEY ALREADY GET IT!


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

The FAA considers emergency training specific to each carrier. It is not possible to mix FAs that operate underr different FAA certificates unless those FAs have been fully trained in every aspect of the operation in an identical fashion.

There have been instances where FAs have been exchanged between airlines as part of marketing programs but in every case I know of, the "guest" FAs are not considered part of the working crew from an FAA standpoint; yes, they certainly can assist in an emergency but there are a host of issues, including liability, in expecting an FA from one airline to operate another airline's aircraft.


User currently offlineUSAFDO From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

My comments were in the event of an emergency...not for daily...day to day operations...

Heck...look that the US Airways A320 ditching....they only staff with the FAA minimum of 3.

Imagine if the F/A, sitting by herself at the rear was killed during that ditching....then PAX are left to deal with the situation all by themselves...

And, as I recall, a PAX rushed to one of the rear exits and actually pulled the door handle up which started a water leak at the rear of that ACFT.

All I was really saying that any already trained F/A is going to be in a better position to assist than picking an able bodied PAX and telling them to "do this"...


User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2803 times:



Quoting USAFDO (Reply 5):
M11Stephen.....totally disagree with what you said.

2 Different F/A's coming from 2 different carriers would have no problem working an emergency together.

F/A's already have in depth knowledge of emergency emergency situations/procedures. Ea. airline may use different "code" words, and operate somewhat different from another, but the actions still follow some sort of basic common sense routine.

If there was a NW 747 flying from ATL-NRT that experienced an in flight emergency, and was going to do an emergency landing w/evacuation, it would be no problem for, say DL F/A's to approach the crew and say....I'm here, I'm a DL F/A....can I held...what do you want me to do?

It's going to be a basic run down of the procedures...and not that much more.....THEY ALREADY GET IT!

Well yes if a DL F/A happens to be on the flight then they would be a good Able Bodied Passenger. But, if say 6F/As were from DL and 6F/As were from NWA, you'd have F/As giving different ways to brace, using different commands to evacuate the aircraft, and the DL F/As wouldn't know where the emergency equipment is. DL for example tells passengers to get up immediately once an evacuation is ordered while NWA has passengers remain seated until the cabin crew has their doors open. Its just not a good idea to "sync" F/As with different sets of emergency training together with no retraining.

I'm sure that any DL F/A could operate a 747 door. Opening doors isn't rocket science (Well the MD-80 tail cone is but that's a different topic) but there is a lot more to an evacuation than opening doors. Crews need to work together the way that they were trained and that can't be accomplished to well if they're trained in totally different emergency procedures.



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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Back to the original topic, I have a question: Doesn't NWA operate a NRT Flight Attendant base? Might they be working the ATL-NRT flight as well? I'm curious?

Best regards

L1011Lover


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 9):
Back to the original topic, I have a question: Doesn't NWA operate a NRT Flight Attendant base? Might they be working the ATL-NRT flight as well? I'm curious?

Nope, the foreign bases are staffed with low paid foreign workers not covered by the Northwest CBA.

The Northwest CBA specifically prohibits the use of these low paid foreign workers outside of what the like to cal "Pandora's box" which is an area south and east of Tokyo. Perhaps if Delta is successfull in eliminating the NWA CBA then you could potentially see these low paid foreign workers staff flights to the U.S.


Its called scope.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Oh okay I didn't know that... then NWA's foreign bases can't be compared to UA's international domiciles (namely LHR, FRA, HKG and NRT) which are all (with the exception of former SIN and BKK FA's) AFA covered...

So does that mean that NW has no inflight interpreters on Asia to US flights, or do they have language speakers based in the US?


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