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New Zealand Aviation #57 - Queens Birthday Edition  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15525 times:

Welcome to the #57 New Zealand Aviation Thread - Queens Birthday Edition. In thread #56 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...neral_aviation/read.main/4416071/, we learnt and discussed:

- Disccussed JAL purchasing seats on NZs AKL-Japan services
- NZ further cutting flights
- Koru magazine dissappears from international flights
- Pacific Blue cut back their AKL - Australia flights
- NZs B733 fleet
- NZs B772 Y+ upgrade is almost complete - only 3 aircraft to go!
- Updated on -NBS. First B744 world-wide heading for the jaws of the wrecker
- CHC terminal building has started
- NZ had Japan services on Grab a Seat for three days due to poor loads
- NZs B763 fleet winglet update
- Jetconnect B733 (-JNO) is currently being scrapped in CHC
- Will the big red jet be flying from HLZ shortly? DJ set to announce HLZ services

Let the #57 thread begin.

212 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15518 times:

Does anyone know what the score is with Pacific Blue apparently scaling back their AKL-Australia flights? Does this affect AKL-MEL, because this service was supposed to be daily, however looking at their web site and Melbourne Airport's website, this service actually operates about 9-10 times a week instead. So I guess this must be doing better than expected?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15506 times:

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 1):

These are the cancelled flights:
DJ159 AKL-MEL, DJ158 MEL-AKL on 5th, 6th, 12th, 15th, 19th, 22nd & 26th of June has been cancelled.

DJ53 AKL-SYD, DJ54 SYD-AKL on 6th & 20th of June has been cancelled.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6716 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15426 times:

Pacific Blue to start daily TT flights from HLZ

Here we go! SYD and BNE from HLZ.

Mr Hamilton-Manns said his airline hoped to open up new domestic routes this year.

It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 3065 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15376 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
Here we go! SYD and BNE from HLZ.

I'm curious to know what assurances/guarantees the Hamilton authorities have given Virgin, but I think this was always going to be the best chance for international flights out of there. Probably a very good move for the Pacific Blue and I can see this repeated with Dunedin and maybe, MAYBE Palmerston North.

What I don't get is the lack of Queenstown services - surely the yields are higher there. Is it the lack of special equipment on the aircraft to land in poor weather? I would have thought Wellington could top Qtown any day of the week for that.

On the subject of Pacific Blue gaining corporate contracts - from the perspective of my workplace, they are increasingly an option, as we look to save cash. Qantas is preferred suppplier for international, avoided at all times for domestic, while Air NZ is favoured domestically and Pacific Blue used as an option. PBlue is proving a popular choice because of its reliability and the legroom. Using them has proved the difference between attending a meeting in another city or not, so they're a godsend in that sense.

I gotta say, I think I'm joining the PBlue fanclub here.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5618 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15362 times:

Interesting that these flights will also allow for further expansion ex SYD/BNE..

Ie they land early in the morning allowing another flight from SYD/BNE-NZ or islands and back before doing the SYD/BNE=HLZ return flight at 7

User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15358 times:


PacificBlue has launched a two week sale to celebrate the announcement of its new international direct flights from Hamilton to Australia beginning the first week of September.

At a media launch in Hamilton today the airline announced it will be offering six direct flights from Hamilton to Australia each week – three flights to Sydney and three to Brisbane. Connecting fares will be offered to Perth, Melbourne, Canberra and other Australian and international destinations.

DJ 85


DJ 103

DJ 104

Hamilton-Sydney: - Special launch fare of $169* one-way on the internet.
- Regular lead-in fares will start from $199* one-way on the internet.

Hamilton-Brisbane - Special launch fare of $199* one-way on the internet.
- Regular lead-in fares will start from $229* one-way on the internet.

Fares are on sale from 10am today, with the special launch fares available until midnight 17 June 2009, for travel from 1 September 2009 until 10 December 2009.

User currently offlineRwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15360 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
Here we go! SYD and BNE from HLZ.

Yeah and the fares dont look to bad at the moment, $169 to SYD and $199 to BNE (although just checked there seem to be some way cheaper ones than that lurking in there)beginning 1 September subject to approval. Seems to be similar sort of arrival and departure times as NZ operated - early morning/late night in general

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15350 times:

The flights specials for HLZ are out. Flights start September 1st
HLZ-SYD $169 and HLZ-BNE $199
DJ103 HLZ-SYD departs at 8am and arrives 9.45am
DJ104 SYD-HLZ departs at 7.05pm and arrives 12.20am

DJ85 HLZ-BNE departs at 6am and arrives 8am
DJ86 BNE-HLZ departs at 6.10pm and arrives 11.20pm

[Edited 2009-06-02 15:44:46]

User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15348 times:

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 6):
PacificBlue has launched a two week sale to celebrate the announcement of its new international direct flights from Hamilton to Australia beginning the first week of September.

Good on them giving it a crack in challenging economic times. Does anyone know if it will be 738s or E-Jets? E90s would be a good fit until demand is measured more accurately after a few months.

How good is it?
User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15336 times:

Quoting GarethW (Reply 9):
Does anyone know if it will be 738s or E-Jets? E90s would be a good fit until demand is measured more accurately after a few months.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15333 times:

Ever hopeful from Dunedin - those Hamilton flights are nicely timed to fit in with W flights to DUD, if they did HLZ-SYD/BNE-DUD-SYD/BNE-HLZ. Nice for us to fly in the middle of the day, so we do not have to drive on frosty roads to get to the airport.

If they are going to use E-190s, those would be attractive for a domestic service between DUD and WLG, and maybe HLZ-WLG - timed to get people to meetings. If DJ started using an E-190 on HLZ-WLG, I think AirNZ would start operating E-190s within 12 months.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15330 times:

Inquiry into Air New Zealand crash grinds along - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2466...Air-New-Zealand-crash-grinds-along

Pacific Blue announces Hamilton flights - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/246602...ic-Blue-announces-Hamilton-flights

User currently offlineMr Airnz From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15285 times:

Something I noticed in the stuff.co.nz article

The airline said guarantees of support from local companies and evidence of continuing passenger demand were key to its decision to operate from Hamilton International Airport.

Maybe I'm reading into this but I see this as possibly meaning the new services are being partially subsidised by someone (nothing wrong with this of course, Air NZ has similar agreements in place with certain towns around New Zealand).

Then again I could be barking up the wrong tree and reading into things that aren't there.

User currently offlineKnid From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15162 times:

A interview with Rob Fyfe if anyone is interested here.

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15146 times:

Quoting GarethW (Reply 9):
Good on them giving it a crack in challenging economic times

Despite working for the opposition, I echo these sentiments. It's certainly a bold move and you have to admire it.

User currently offlineGarethW From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15093 times:

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 10):
Quoting GarethW (Reply 9):
Does anyone know if it will be 738s or E-Jets? E90s would be a good fit until demand is measured more accurately after a few months.

Quoting DJ738 (Reply 10):

Quoting Mr Airnz (Reply 13):
Maybe I'm reading into this but I see this as possibly meaning the new services are being partially subsidised by someone

I agree with you Mr Airnz, and think that the use of 73H aircraft almost confirms your thoughts beyond any doubt. NZ have shown conclusively that they can only generate marginal returns (at best) from international ops ex HLZ, and lets not forget that for many years this was under the SJ brand, a similar LCC model to DJ.

How DJ believe that they can generate profit using a 180 seat jet on what has been illustrated as being marginal routes is beyond me. Surely using a 90 seat aircraft which they were touting in HLZ itself only weeks ago (in full Pacific Blue livery) to test the waters is a much more economic, and moreover, realistic propsect.

I won't be at all surprised if we see, 12-18 months down the track, DJ releasing load factor stats to/from HLZ in the 50-60% region, and either withdrawing or reducing services further. Or more likely, reducing capacity to E90s which they may ctually fill with more efficiently yielded pax.

Furthermore, I still maintain that New Zealand can't justify trans-tasman ops outside of the big 3 cities, plus ZQN (for obvious reasons). I will never understand why the public seems to demand international gateways from every town >100,000 population, yet fail to support the carriers who do offer the services.

How good is it?
User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

Something else that riles me a bit is the Hamilton council and certain locals. When Air NZ said they were pulling services, these people bitched and moaned about how Air NZ was never serious about the Waikato and one factor cited was the 'inconvient flight times' i.e. the early Morning departures, late night arrivals (they ignored the fact that all airlines do this Trans Tasman ex: NZ out of all the ports). Pacific Blue come in with similar departure and arrival times and are treated as the Messiah.

I travelled several times out of and into Hamilton last year. The last flight (SYD to HLZ in November) had 30 people on it! Earlier in the year I (along with three others) was upgraded to Business on the same route. Speaking with the crew I learnt everything I needed to know about the Yield's on the route. In the Year or so it operated under the Air NZ flag, you could count the number of people who booked a Business Class Seat on two hands. The market has demonstrated they are ridiculously price sensitive. $30 more on the airfare compared to carriers out of Auckland was enough to make people travel the 90 minutes up the road to AKL.

I wish DJ the best, I'm sure the accountants have crunched the numbers but in these times eesh....the managers at DJ sure have some Cohones!

User currently offlineQF45 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14999 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Pacific Blue announces Hamilton flights - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/246602...ights

Does anyone know where services will be reduced to make way for these flights?

User currently offlinePewpew320 From New Zealand, joined Mar 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14898 times:

Interesting article about Airlines serving NZ.


Albiet wrong I think? AFAIK OZ no longer fly in New Zealand

User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 14790 times:

I think that the contributions to this thread are concentrating on the most trivial news!

There have been two major pieces of news in the last 24 hours.

1. Air NZ is now the number two international carrier in Australia. It has leapfrogged Singaprore Airlines and now carries 9.8% of traffic to Qantas' 23.1%. But there is more. Air NZ is now the number one international carrier at Brisbane and the Gold Coast, and also is ahead of Qantas at Cairns and is closing in at Melbourne. It only trails by more than 70% at Sydney - and Sydney is the only Australian city in recession.........

2. It's official as of today that Australia isn't in recession - its economy is growing.

This should be significant: the current policy of capacity reduction is accepted practice in a recession, but Air NZ's markets in Australia aren't in a recession, and it has comprehensive traffic rights from Australia.

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4652 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14669 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 20):
This should be significant: the current policy of capacity reduction is accepted practice in a recession, but Air NZ's markets in Australia aren't in a recession, and it has comprehensive traffic rights from Australia.

As much as I have disagreed with some of the suggestions you have made in the past, I think there is a fair degree of merit to this. You don't happen to have a list of which routes Air NZ could operate out of Australia taking into account current air services agreements and the extent to which the permissible capacity on these agreements is already allocated do you?

I'd really like to see Air NZ operating in Australia more, not only on international routes but also on domestic routes. Unfortunately I think as things stand, it would be extraordinarily difficult for the airline to gain a foothold in what is a somewhat crowded market. However, with services being reduced for the current economic climate, supply will probably lag demand when the economy picks up. If the airline were to choose the right time to enter, it could benefit from this. If trans-tasman flights do become domestic flights, it may also give the airline more incentive to compete on other Australian domestic routes if Qantas and Virgin integrate their trans-tasman ops into their domestic ops.

Unfortunately after the Ansett fiasco there is bound to be some degree of cold feet to getting involved in Australia any more than necessary, so I have a feeling our wish to see more of NZ over here will remain just that.


"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1777 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14629 times:

Isn't the 737-800 a bit too big for HLZ trans Tasman flights? If NZ can't fill a 320, then the 73H would be rather "spacious" on these routes.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 27679 posts, RR: 81
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14627 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 20):
This should be significant: the current policy of capacity reduction is accepted practice in a recession, but Air NZ's markets in Australia aren't in a recession, and it has comprehensive traffic rights from Australia.

You're right, Koruman. But I doubt it is going to happen - sadly.


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 6151 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14597 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 20):
I think that the contributions to this thread are concentrating on the most trivial news!

Bang on in so far as HLZ TT is concerned  yawn  Pity there is not as much passenger interest as interest on this list to keep flogging the issue.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 20):
but Air NZ's markets in Australia aren't in a recession, and it has comprehensive traffic rights from Australia.

NZ's HKG-LHR service could use some Australian feed right now. There has never been a rational explanation why NZ has never exercised the rights that it has from Australia especially since the 772's were introduced. I often wonder what the full story was when QF gave up their holding in NZ?

25 Aerokiwi : I forgot the topics discussed here must be preapproved with specific members. Forgive our interest in such "trivial" affairs. Of course, one could ar
26 QF45 : This is not going to make an airline like Air New Zealand jump at the opportunity for what you are suggesting.... It is far to premature!!
27 Mariner : I've no idea why it is premature. It is a natural way for Air NZ to expand it's passenger base. I wish they'd started using the beyond Australia righ
28 DavidByrne : Me, too, but I do think that the present economic situation calls for caution, rather than aggressive expansion. Hopefully NZ will in the medium term
29 Post contains links QF744 : See the separate post, but just briefly EK has confirmed it definitely won't be flying the A380 to CHC, despite the airport's major upgrade. Video int
30 Mariner : I don't think that it needs to be aggressive, at least in the first instance. A couple of flights a week through an Australian port would establish b
31 RichardJF : NZ should do a comprehensive deal with DJ. With DJ dropping New Zealand domestic and NZ running the tasman only out of Auckland. While it would be ver
32 Koruman : I don't just have a list, I have a plan for when I become Emperor for Life of NZ....... Stage 1 - Initial expansion under CEO Koruman NOW 1a. Upguage
33 ANstar : Great idea - I would also put most of the island flights ie NAN etc onto Pac Blue as well.
34 Post contains links Flyjetstar : I don't see the relevance. I never expected EK to use the A380 to CHC. The redevelopment is more aimed at the domestic terminal rather than internati
35 Koruman : Why on earth is it inappropriate to try to find a way out of a crisis? Here is a brief summing up the current Air New Zealand long-haul situation: 1.
36 Mariner : I spend a fair amount of time studying the style of various CEO's of the smaller airlines, but I know nearly enough about Mr. Fyfe. He seems to be a
37 Aerokiwi : As you probably know, they tried in the 90s, with Brisbane a hub and SYD-LAX. Didn't work so well, hence the handover to Ansett. Interesting. Given N
38 Mariner : Those are examples of the "think big" approach, favoured by many. I go the other way, I think small, or at least - I think different. I can think of
39 Pewpew320 : I know this sounds irresponsible, but with the NZ government with the majority shareholder, some financial risks can be taken, so perhaps expanding no
40 Koruman : Sorry, I meant all NZ jet operations. The problem that Air NZ had both before and after the Ansett acquisition was that before they didn't have the A
41 DavidByrne : I think it is the airline's job to find a way out of a crisis, and I have no qualms about cautious expansion. My perspective is, however, that this m
42 Mariner : I don't advocate BNE-HKG-LHR. mariner
43 DavidByrne : Sorry, I misunderstood, then: I extrapolated your "couple of flights a week through an Australian port" to mean "a couple of flights a week through a
44 RichardJF : That tells you something..... Fyfe needs to take more control and more risks.
45 Zkpilot : This part just won't happen. JQ is the part of QF making the most money. All the other suggestions sound good. I don't see QF turning into the basket
46 RichardJF : LA to europe is really low risk. But you have to go where wealthy californians want to go.
47 Aerokiwi : Why not DJ buy NZ? Would make more sense given the whole point is to introduce a lower cost base. Market value fluctuations aside, DJ has the network
48 NZ107 : Although NZ is only making a small profit and using up a plane doing so, there wouldn't be a point in turning it around and buying seats on JL or eve
49 NZ107 : On another point, I see that JQ has also got some great deals for their Japan routes too..
50 Post contains links PA515 : ZK-NBS is now going tomorrow and is on Auckland Airport departures as NZ6390 1720 to LAX. www.aucklandairport.co.nz/FlightInformation.asp PA515
51 QF45 : Does AirNZ really have the cash in order to expand?
52 Aerohottie : The short answer is yes
53 Koruman : No, Jetstar DOMESTIC is making money. Jetstar International, like all other international long-haul LCCs, is finding the going very, very tough. Ther
54 Mariner : While I agree completely with Koruman in the abstract, my approach to it would be different, as I tried to describe in post #38. To be specific, I wa
55 NZ747 : Is it being scrapped in Mexico? NZ6390 Los Angeles Mexico 05 Jun 17:20 Will be sad when she leaves. Anyone gonna be there to take pics of it leaving
56 NZ107 : Going to ROW - Roswell, New Mexico. Maybe that's what the confusing point is. I don't think I'd be able to get out to the airport..
57 Knid : He sees the airlines currently as a tourist airline that's job is to cater to NZ's major tourist markets, or at least that's what he says. What is ha
58 RichardJF : While I disagreed with the HKG-LHR expansion at the time it probably was logical. NZ was already at Heathrow and was a simple exercise of linking with
59 Mariner : That's what the model is - (the prose?) - and I have some sympathy with it. "The vision" is a tad more ephemeral - what he wants the airline to be -
60 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ Launch CHC-WSZ Service Interesting move, just a flight from Christchurch to Westport on Monday and Friday mornings and evenings with (obviously
61 RichardJF : Should use the seat backs on domestic aircraft for promoting long haul destinations. Seat backs are good for advertising. A picture is worth a 1000 wo
62 AerorobNZ : NBS was still here as of 1000 this AM. Looked very eerie in the fog minus all the titles....like a ghost plane...
63 Post contains links NZ107 : Airline Expands Free Connection Service Emirates is now offering year round free connections from WLG and DUD through Pacific Blue for long haul fligh
64 NZ1 : STD was 5:20pm this evening to LAX as NZ6390. Short stop, then on to Roswell. NZ1
65 Post contains links 777ER : Jumbo to make final flight - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2476722/Jumbo-to-make-final-flight The end of an era has started
66 Dddale : What an end to this 747. How unfortunate. I was having a look on Wikipedia today and noticed that someone has written on the fleet details of Air New
67 VirginFlyer : Desmond will be gutted... V/F
68 NZ1 : That can't be right as we only own NBS and NBV, with the rest being leased. And no, it isn't laid up, it's having a mx check at the moment. NZ1
69 Dddale : Thank you NZ1. I thought that was the case. Wikipedia can be dodgy at times.
70 AerorobNZ : I saw that it landed at about 0745 NZ time in LAX...
71 ANstar : Source please? The past few months show pretty good loads for JQ on these routes and as for SYD-HNL HA have been getting 50% loads in the same months
72 Alangirvan : No one has explained to me how the return connection works, since the EK flight into CHC arrives into CHC about three hours after the single daily DJ
73 Koruman : A long-haul LCC can't make a profit or even break even with a 70 or even 80% load: because the seats are so low-yielding they need to sell out every
74 RichardJF : This is a good move.
75 ANstar : I have flown JQ Star Class and found it to be great for the price. Just jump on to frequentflyer.com.au and most other pax that have flown it have ha
76 767ER : I am with you on that one. I have heard very mixed reports about Star Class also but great things about Business Class in HA - though, to be fair, it
77 Koruman : As I wrote earlier, Star Class is a Premium Economy product but earns Business Class frequent flyer benefits. For the same price, my family can buy a
78 RichardJF : new economy seats...good idea. your maintenance customers 2 new 330 coming to s,m
79 Post contains links 777ER : Airlines seek survival plan - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...480475/Airlines-seek-survival-plan
80 ZKOJH : Air New Zealand wishes to advise the following schedule adjustments have been made for travel between New Zealand and Japan for departures in June and
81 NZ107 : Does that mean a 763 has already got winglets installed and is due to arrive here tomorrow?
82 ZKOJH : think 'NZ1' said they were flying the a/c to HKG around the 8th, to have the winglets put on and a 'c check' which takes a round 3 weeks.
83 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ sticks to guidance - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark.../2481875/Air-NZ-sticks-to-guidance Airlines seek open skies - http://www.stuff.co.n
84 777ER : Correct, NZ1 said in thread #56, reply 97 that the first aircraft is due to HKG on the 8th
85 Post contains links 777ER : Pacific Blue are holding another excellent 19 hour sale. All domestic for $19 oneway. This sale is called the "Goodbye to the Roo" http://www.flypacif
86 RichardJF : Instead of having seat back PTV's in domestic economy which doesn't make sense you could have electronic picture frames similar to what they have in c
87 777ER : Looks like one of the two JQ A320s thats launching domestic services tomorrow is arriving tonight as JQ7981 from SYD at 10.20pm
88 Mariner : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...dance That's pretty good news in this economic environment. mariner
89 ZK-NBT : There was a positioning flight to HKG on Sunday night 7th arriving in HKG on the 8th. I'd say what ZK-OJH posted is more to do with the poor performan
90 FlyPacificBlue : Yeah its almost a sad day seeing the competition depart. Qantas employees packing away all their belongings from the AKL domestic terminal, though ve
91 VirginFlyer : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...dance Interesting tidbit in that article: V/F
92 777ER : I'm very confussed with the Good bye Pacific Blue part, as DJ isn't leaving the domestic part
93 NZ83 : Its play on words. The mean that PAC Blue is good value
94 ZK-NBT : I'd say $19 is a very good buy! Hmm I wonder how soon NZ would get more 77Ws (I presume) with the current backlog. They have 2 more options which I g
95 NZ1 : That is correct. NCG is currently in HKG at HAECO, NCK is next. NZ1
96 SunriseValley : Probably 2011. Fyfe said a few months ago that the interiors would not be ready until late 2010. My guess is that the "keen" pricing will be reflecte
97 SunriseValley : I agree ! Without a doubt their cash position will continue to improve providing more leverage for the balance sheet to take on an acquisition. They
98 Post contains links and images 777ER : The very first pictures of NZ upgraded Y+ cabins are out on the B772s View Large View MediumPhoto © Jonathan Rankin That makes sense now.
99 Post contains links NZ107 : An interesting read here: Pacific Blue flights to ZQN to bring international choice It says Pac Blue is set to have ZQN-SYD by September. More news to
100 Sydscott : It's the same as Qantas domestic business. But at the end of the day it's more legroom and bigger seats for longer flights on an LCC. It's not suppos
101 Post contains links 777ER : Jetstar offers 2000 free seats - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...951/Jetstar-offers-2000-free-seats Call for subsidies on airline routes - http
102 777ER : Hopfully some domestic routes will also be announced to the new destinations. Any PacificBlue insiders able to provide some hints or a time for an an
103 NZ107 : Just had a check back - already loaded into the system. SYD-ZQN, BNE-DUD and SYD-WLG are the additions. Starting Sept 1 and the SYD-WLG on Sept 15. Y
104 Post contains links 777ER : Queenstown-Sydney: Two flights a week Special launch fare of $259* one-way on the internet. Regular lead-in fares will start from $289* one-way on the
105 DavidByrne : Will be very interesting to see NZ's response on DUD-BNE - walk away or tackle head-on? Their seasonal flights end just after DJ's start, no apparent
106 SunriseValley : Do they have RNP capability ? Without it they will be at a disadvantage.
107 Alangirvan : Yes, I think we will be happy to take that. Also, note that Pacific Blue will be introducing a direct DUD-AKL service to replace the DUD-CHC-AKL servi
108 777ER : Care to provide a link to DJ providing a direct DUD-AKL flight?
109 Alangirvan : “As much as Kiwis enjoy a warm weather holiday in Australia, we know that Aussies love to visit the stunning scenery of Queenstown for adventure and
110 NZ107 : Hmm, hasn't been loaded yet.. That'd be rather interesting too - what's going to happen with EK's codeshares if they're forced to make a rather long
111 CHCalfonzo : The wording is a little bit ambiguous I think. I interpret that to mean they will replace the AKL-DUD connection at CHC with a direct service and ret
112 Alangirvan : Maybe that is why they are starting in Sep - they hope there will be no more foggy days at ZQN until May 2010 - plenty of time to get RNP up and runn
113 Alangirvan : OK, after a quick look at AirNZ schedules, it looks as though DUD-BNE does disappear. AirNZ will restart DUD-SYD twice weeklyfor the summer season, on
114 ANstar : So these new TT flights fill the gaps between the BNE/SYD-Hamliton flights... nice move by DJ. I'm sure they will do well with these flights
115 DavidByrne : That was always anticipated, though, wasn't it? DUD-BNE seasonal in winter, and DUD-SYD and DUD-MEL seasonal in summer? As an aside, a friend just pu
116 Post contains links NZ107 : In other news - QF has leased a 762F for cargo between AKL, SYD and CHC. ATSG Airlines Launch New International Service It'll be good to see a 762 ope
117 FlyPacificBlue : A lot of movement in the aviation industry this coming year dispite the current economic climate. I must say, Pacific Blue did keep their anouncement
118 Zkpilot : This is simply replacing QFs current 763 freighter service currently run with QF metal and crews. Probably one of the main reasons for this is that a
119 NZ107 : Wow. They'd better have those 738s here soon.. I have a big feeling a lot will be put off by flying on the 734 on TT flights. It's amazing that a rou
120 Koruman : I'm appalled. Wasn't this supposed to be tropical Invercargill? By the way, is it true that NZ135/6 is being downguaged further to a 763 from the 772
121 CHCalfonzo : Jetstar seem to have caught Jetconnect's disease... already flights are running up to 2 hours late. Teething problems somewhere?[Edited 2009-06-09 20:
122 NZ107 : Well surely they don't have mx problems as an excuse Maybe next week when VA announce HLZ-LAX? lol
123 Alangirvan : Naw, naw, naw...Invercargill has too many bright lights - we should be going for direct services from Australia to Gore or Balclutha. Is this the fir
124 Post contains links Mariner : They try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear in this article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ticle.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10577611 NZ Herald
125 NZ107 : No they didn't! The sale lasted for 2 hrs and I got mine after 1 hr 50 mins of the sale. It's similar to JQ's other 5c offering across the Tasman ear
126 Post contains links Dddale : For information to those who may want to know, I noticed ZK-NBS 747-419 for sale again on Planemart.com http://www.planemart.com/FAA/Listing.asp?useri
127 Mariner : So is the reporting that bad - or is Jetstar telling fibs? mariner
128 Alangirvan : If NZ Telecom really want something that puts their new network to the test, as their commercials say - how about an air ticket sale? If AirNZ/Pacifi
129 Mariner : Useless asking me. I loathe talking on the phone, I don't own a mobile and I make fewer than a dozen local calls a month. It ticks me off that I have
130 Flyjetstar : The reports I can find tell me that 90% performance ratings are bull. JQ haven't had anything like that since they started. Year ending Dec. '08 it w
131 777ER : Any web-site link to the article? PacBlue were also suffering bad delays on their domestic launch day. My flight back from AKL to WLG was delayed IIR
132 Post contains links 777ER : Auckland Airport helping to boost tourism - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...and-Airport-helping-boost-tourism/
133 Post contains links Flyjetstar : This might help you. Probably would have been quicker if you searched for it yourself.
134 Koruman : Following my recent posts - including a suggestion last week thar Air NZ should acquire long-haul Jetstar International, I've today heard rumours that
135 Post contains links VirginFlyer : This has been posted in Australian Aviation Thread 28 (by Allrite Jun 3 2009 in Civil Aviation) and Pacific Islands Aviation Thread #2 (by VirginFlyer
136 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Koruman, please try not to get too excited about this ANA Looking To Fly HND-Europe/US? (by Kaitak Jun 10 2009 in Civil Aviation) V/F
137 Post contains links QF45 : True or Not? Pacific Blue to use the E190 from Hamilton? http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/bus...Budget-airlines-battling-for-skies
138 777ER : When the HLZ flights were announced, the aircraft was B738s.
139 Post contains links 777ER : Jetstar accused of skimping on pay - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...etstar-accused-of-skimping-on-pay/
140 DavidByrne : Others who have analyse the timetable suggested that the same aircraft would be utilised HLZ-SYD-WLG-SYD-HLZ and HLZ-BNE-DUD-BNE-HLZ. If that's the c
141 QF45 : Exactly what I thought. Where they get their info is beyond me!!!
142 Post contains links TG992 : Guess Grab a Seat is working like it should, people just visit grab a seat and grab a deal and if it's not on there they settle for the fact their on
143 ANstar : Add to that the fact VA are flying BNE-LAX non stop with great prices, so that is probably taking some of the BNE-AKL-LAX market More to do witht he
144 RichardJF : Almost certain that NZ could acquire 50% of WIAL combined with a 787 lh base. Completely change the airlines business model. WIAL currently is probabl
145 RichardJF : In other words Wellington region gets into the long haul airline business and NZ joins Infratil in the airport business.
146 CHCalfonzo : Why? To what end? What does NZ gain by shifting their long haul base to WLG that they don't already have in AKL? Lunacy. WLG will eventually get a li
147 Kiwiandrew : why ? CBR which is not that much smaller than WLG and a lot closer to Asia doesnt have any connections , what makes you so sure that WLG will get ser
148 NZ107 : To add to that - CHC itself only has 2 links, one of which is direct. If TT fares drop a lot due to the domestication of the TT routes, it may become
149 NZ1 : The RichardJF we all love is back................Thanks for the laugh NZ1
150 Post contains links 777ER : Aeroplane lader-light culprit named - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...eroplane-laser-light-culprit-named
151 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Jetstar eyes Whenuapai for Auckland flights Australian budget airline Jetstar is urging the New Zealand Government to open up Whenuapai air force base
152 RichardJF : The govt ie John,bill and steven joyce can agree to what ever they want. The golf course would be aquired (public works act) with a new 9 hole miramar
153 Kiwiandrew : Sth America ?! NZ dont even operate to South America from AKL , what chance does a provincial city have of supporting NZ flights to South America ?
154 NZ107 : I think there's too much political pressure to not allow commercial aircraft there. North Shore residents don't want it.. Although in times like thes
155 Alangirvan : When would Harriers have visited? Only when RN was in the area. Harriers do not need a runway - they could land in the middle of Eden Park.
156 NZ107 : My relatives live virtually under the flight path for the main runway and when they did back in the 80s or whenever, they remember them as the loudes
157 HLZCPH : I see on TV3 news tonight Air New Zealand engineers are doing a South Island coast to coast on scooters for a great cause...an ill workmate. I wonder
158 777ER : I've just returned from CHC this morning after my flight home last night was cancelled due to fog at WLG. All flights into WLG, DUD, ZQN, NSN and some
159 NZ1 : Funny you should mention this. Although I didn't ride, I was part of the support crew. We has an absolutely great time, and for a very worthy cause.
160 HLZCPH : That's good as some of them needed support from what I saw! Back to topic, any news on the 733 replacement proposals?
161 NZ1 : Decision expected by years end is the last info I have. NZ1
162 Post contains links 777ER : Pacific Blue exit tipped - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s/2499998/Pacific-Blue-exit-tipped
163 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Yeah, I was just reading that.. Maybe there will be room for Kiwijet   I personally wouldn't believe 18 months to be true. They're expanding rapidly
164 Aerokiwi : I think you hit the nail on the head - PBlue schedules are far better than Jetstar, who have an appalling AKL-WLG schedule at the moment, and the dom
165 Alangirvan : So Bruce found AirNZ did not roll out the welcome mat for Jetstar. Yeah, and Qantas were really helpful to Tiger at Alice Springs as well.
166 Flyjetstar : What is it about airline CEO's complaining at the moment? Again JQ have had plenty of time to arrange their NZ op's but they haven't done so. It is O
167 Alangirvan : Tiger is the one that is still missing in NZ. I do not think they will come here to fly domestic routes, when three airlines is already too many. CHC
168 Koruman : I'm not sure whether you have kept abreast of their reception in Australia, but you're not missing anything worth having. My local market (the Gold C
169 DavidByrne : Would I be correct in thinking that Tiger would have no automatic right to set up in NZ anyway? It's not an Australian company, as I understand it, a
170 Gemuser : True, but it is an Australian Airline (it has an AOC issued & supervised by CASA). So it would depend on the wording & definitions in the CER treatie
171 NZ107 : What surprises me is that these analysts who don't really seem to have an idea on what's going on in the New Zealand domestic market come in and spec
172 Flyjetstar : So you have the facts to back up your claim? Or is simply based on the the thought that because Tiger doesn't work for you it only works for those wh
173 NZ107 : Are my eyes cheated? I see a sold out sign next to the AKL-NRT in grabaseat..
174 777ER : Why do I have a funny feeling that JQ are about to become the laughing joke on the new zealand domestic market like QF because their A320s don't have
175 Alangirvan : The stuff about Tiger cancelling and leaving people to find their own way home goes back to their first few weeks of operation. I did not they had ma
176 NZ107 : Sounds like someone didn't tell Jetstar that they were part of the Qantas Group.. Horrible indeed. I guess not many in the New Zealand population rea
177 Post contains links NZ107 : Cheap flights to New Zealand Looks like NZ has also set up "grabaseat" in the UK too - this time only in reverse auction style.. 149 quid LHR-HKG last
178 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Interesting quote in there for those interested in Embraers: If they hold an Australian AOC, I do not believe there is an impediment to them operatin
179 Post contains links Aerokiwi : Given this... http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/250312...k-in-rules-rile-Jetstar-passengers ...I'd say Pacific Blue would be fairly happy with the arrival
180 Nzrich : Unfortunately thou for Pac Blue they are in the same position as Virgin Blue in Aussie .. They have a cheaper operator below them and a airline that
181 ANstar : Actually on routes where JQ and DJ compete, DJ can usually get a higher yield. Pax can stille arn velcoity points on any fare.
182 Nzrich : Yes but i was not saying virgin blue was in trouble at all .. I was talking about in New Zealand where PB does not have the business market at the mo
183 RichardJF : Tiger coming to new zealand thats a good idea.
184 RichardJF : If tiger enters the market it will be interesting. All the upside with all the top people would be there now and any potential risks are down the trac
185 CHCalfonzo : Not for much longer it would appear. Searching for flights in August shows DJ are reducing flights. AKL-WLG 3x weekdays, 2x weekends AKL-CHC 2x weekd
186 Post contains links Mariner : I suppose Pacific Blue could capitalize on the Hawke's Bay traffic: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../Bays-9m-runway-ready-by-World-Cup "A grou
187 Post contains links 777ER : Bay's $9m runway 'ready by World cup' - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../Bays-9m-runway-ready-by-World-Cup
188 Post contains links 777ER : Link doesn't appear to be working, so maybe this one will http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...k-in-rules-rile-Jetstar-passengers
189 VirginFlyer : IVC? V/F
190 Mariner : Absolutely. mariner
191 ZK-NBT : It looks like QF will reduce AKL/BNE-LAX to 6 weekly from end October. No AKL-LAX on Wednesdays and no BNE-LAX on Mondays so the AKL-LAX Monday fligh
192 ANstar : BNE-LAX has been 6 x weekly for a while now...
193 Post contains links 777ER : Thousands caught in Jetstar flights rejig - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze.../Thousands-caught-in-Jetstar-rejig
194 TG992 : Welcome to the world of true LCC's. People in NZ and AU expect NZ/QF and DJ to offer LCC prices with full service standards! I read something the oth
195 Alangirvan : At the risk of boring everyone by repeating the subject....., no the A332, cannot do BNE-LAX, but one plane that would do BNELAX very nicely, and wou
196 Mariner : Generally on a.net, a smiley such as indicates that the post or statement isn't meant to be taken altogether seriously. And if you look at the post t
197 Alangirvan : This happened in Australia when JQ started, and people turned up 29 minute prior to flight, and found that the airline was serious about 30 minutes (
198 Aerokiwi : Oh come on, domestic checkin is a very short process at all airports in New Zealand, even the larger ones. If you'd read the article, you'd notice th
199 TG992 : Take it back Mariner, but some still do go on about it Come on I work for NZ, I've seen very single excuse under the sun of why we can't be at the ai
200 Flyjetstar : What's with your attitude? It is almost as if you're saying, well they chose not to fly the fabulous marvelous wonderful NZ but instead chose the low
201 Aerokiwi : The problem is expectations. I used to regularly catch the 7am or 7.30am AKL-WLG service on NZ (often with luggage) and was regularly able to checkin
202 VirginFlyer : Like Mariner, I was kidding... Still, could be worse - I'm waiting for someone to suggest that Stewart Island could be used as a hub for intercontine
203 TG992 : Well yeah that's it, if you fly a LCC don't expect much, a little like shopping at the warehouse really? sometimes you buy crap. Years of experience.
204 Flyjetstar : The problem with your theory is that NZ trans-tasman has the same prices as DJ/JQ and they pay their cabin crew the same, I know I was a ZEAL crew me
205 Koruman : Because the LCC model of JQ is rule-driven, e.g: 1) Arrive 29 minutes before your flight? Buy a new ticket. 2) Need a pillow? Tough. 3) Thirsty? Buy
206 TG992 : What relevance does this have? A market with no profit showing, great example but we're looking at the overall product remember? so... * Frequency *
207 BlackLabel : Interesting argument; but as a Kiwi and someone who regularly checked in under 30 mins before departure for domestic flights, I think JQ is alienatin
208 Alangirvan : It is a bit hard to say you get what you pay for, when AirNZ goes out of its way to match anyone. The differences are the things that are included in
209 Flyjetstar : I'm not sure any of that has relevance. It does for some travelers but not for others. The people who you referred to who were flying JQ the other da
210 Post contains links 777ER : #58 is here New Zealand Aviation Thread #58 (by 777ER Jun 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)
211 Pewpew320 : I do this often for SYD - AKL - SYD, usually vs AR or LA fares, I think i've done it 8+ times and every single time it has been honoured. Plus, if yo
212 ANstar : To be honest I have had similar great service on JQ/NZ/DJ. I do however think that JQ don't seem to regard their passengers as well as NZ/DJ do.
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