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Australian Aviation Thread 28  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19721 times:

Welcome to a sombre edition of Australian Aviation as we offer our sympathy and condolences to the victims and families of the AF447 disaster.

In Thread 27 we discussed:

* Jetstar Asia's shareholding changes and promotion of Singapore as a strategic hub in conjunction with Qantas.
* OOl as an inbound tourist destination
* Advice for flying on E-Jets and 717's in Australia
* Heritage listing of Qantas hanger in Longreach
* AirAsia launches PER-DPS flights
* JQ's first new A321
* Flying on VAustralia's inaugural BNE-LAX flight
* Singapore Airlines/Westpac Credit Card launched
* Tiger's operations - will they threaten the other carriers?
* QF A330 maintenance to be performed in Brisbane, back from overseas.
* EK loads a third daily flight DXB-SYD
* QF places surcharge for booking exit row seats on long-haul flights
* What will VAustralia's future routes be in the near term?
* DJ delays ADL-NAN, starts SYD/MEL-DPS, MEL-NAN, flights to Hamilton
* VAust/VX interline agreement.

May all your flights be smooth and safe!


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User currently offlineAirbusA322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19636 times:



Quoting DJMEL (Reply 201):
All flights to DPS are suppose to be operated with Aircraft fitted with Live2Air, with the Aircraft which are painted in Pacific Blue Colours and fitted with Live2Air

Interesting. I know that VH-VOX does not have live2air, in which I discovered this on one of my first long-haul PB flights...certainly not again on VOX!

Does NZ Domestic have Live2Air?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19598 times:



Quoting Boof (Reply 202):
OK Thanks for the heads up. I thought I read somewhere that Hamilton had weight issues with the NZ A320's hence they pulled out or was that somewhere else in that region? This is why I thought maybe E190's.

Quite a few of us thought that the E190 would do this route.. The runway is 2100 odd metres long and so it's sufficient for the 737s.

Quoting AirbusA322 (Reply 1):
Does NZ Domestic have Live2Air?

From the website:
"With our Live2air in-flight entertainment (Virgin Blue flights only), you can watch 24 live Foxtel channels at 30,000 feet!"

We don't have Foxtel and I don't know if we can even get Foxtel if we used a big satellite and tried..



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19586 times:

So since SYD had lots of issues with fog this am (Thurs) what do they have by the way of ILS(?) and is there any intent/plans to upgrade so that they don't need to divert every time there is fog? Or do they have the best available and it is just one of those things where you just have to divert every so often because the fog is that bad.

User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19587 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):

Quoting AirbusA322 (Reply 1):
Does NZ Domestic have Live2Air?

From the website:
"With our Live2air in-flight entertainment (Virgin Blue flights only), you can watch 24 live Foxtel channels at 30,000 feet!"

We don't have Foxtel and I don't know if we can even get Foxtel if we used a big satellite and tried..

At the risk of stating the obvious, doesn't that just make the answer no, given we're talking about domestic Pacific Blue ops in NZ as opposed to Virgin Blue flights in Aus or originating in Aus?


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19579 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 3):
So since SYD had lots of issues with fog this am (Thurs) what do they have by the way of ILS(?) and is there any intent/plans to upgrade so that they don't need to divert every time there is fog? Or do they have the best available and it is just one of those things where you just have to divert every so often because the fog is that bad.

Yes, they have ILS and aircraft can land in fog down to a visibility of 550M. But for the few occasions that fog occurrs in SYD it has never been economic to install something for landing blind. Also if the vis is below 550M there is the problem of how aircraft on the ground taxi around.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19572 times:



Quoting QFMel (Reply 4):
At the risk of stating the obvious, doesn't that just make the answer no, given we're talking about domestic Pacific Blue ops in NZ as opposed to Virgin Blue flights in Aus or originating in Aus?

Indeed. I was just stating in addition to that, it probably isn't a possibility anyway. The name Virgin Blue is a title only used for Australian domestic flights, hence only Australian domestic flights have the live2air.



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19443 times:

There are rumours that OOL - Japan flights are performing badly so they are going to cancel some and send the rest through CNS. Anyone verify this?

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19362 times:



Quoting AirbusA322 (Reply 1):
Does NZ Domestic have Live2Air?

Nope - only VH reg aircraft currently have live to air... though I reckon the ZK aircraft may get Y+ eventually.


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19324 times:



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 7):
There are rumours that OOL - Japan flights are performing badly so they are going to cancel some and send the rest through CNS. Anyone verify this?

Not sure about the specifics, but apparently Jetstar are cancelling many of the flights to Japan in the next month or so due to a swine flu induced downturn. Source.

The have a 2 for 1 deal to Japan via OOL on the website right now... Under $1000 return for 2 passengers. Unfortunately I have to pass on this deal, (flying the QF A380 in a week!) but Japan's not really that expensive.



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 19258 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 3):
what do they have by the way of ILS(?) and is there any intent/plans to upgrade so that they don't need to divert every time there is fog?

All 6 runways are fitted with ILS, but I don't believe any are certified beyond Cat I. I'll break down for you the lighting and ILS minima for each runway (all data is from AIP Departure and Approach Procedures). Note that for visibility, RV (Runway Visibility) is determined by an observer in the traditional fashion, whereas RVR (Runway Visual Range) is determined electronically - you may have noticed some funny looking white objects erected alongside the runway late last year I think it was.

Runway 16R - High and Medium Intensity Runway Lighting, Cat I High Intensity Approach Lighting. Decision Altitude: 220ft. Visibility minima: RV 800m or RVR 550m.
Runway 34L - High and Medium Intensity Runway Lighting. Decision Altitude: 270ft. Visibility minimum: RV 1500m.

Runway 16L - High Intensity Runway Lighting, Cat I High Intensity Approach Lighting. Decision Altitude: 220ft. Visibility minima: RV 800m or RVR 550m.
Runway 34R - High Intensity Runway Lighting. Decision Altitude: 270ft. Visibility minimum: RV 1500m.

Runway 07 - Medium Intensity Runway Lighting. Decision Altitude 270ft. Visibility minimum: RV 1500m.
Runway 25 - Medium Intensity Runway Lighting. Decision Altitude: 270ft. Visibility minimum: RV 1500m.

As far as I am aware, the issue for Sydney as it stands is the lack of high intensity approach lighting other than on the 16s - as you can see from the figures it increases the decision altitude, and the visibility minima. Now, those figures are the published figures - I do not know if any operators have been approved by CASA to operate with lower minima - maybe one of our airline pilots here can fill the picture in a bit more?

V/F



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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19200 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 10):
As far as I am aware, the issue for Sydney as it stands is the lack of high intensity approach lighting other than on the 16s

NO that's not the issue; one of the characteristics of fog is the lack of wind. Therefore 16R is the runway that is used. The issue is cost benefit, only on a very few day does fog disrupt operations. If the airlines wanted to pay for a lower landing minima they could have it, and as well, as I said before, aircraft on the ground taxing around are a problem.


User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19146 times:

VIRGIN Blue has confirmed that it is looking at Japan as a potential future destination for its international offshoot, V Australia.

Chief executive Brett Godfrey said comments by major investor Richard Branson that it might start services to the destination in 18 months were quite reasonable. "And, frankly, there is the ability to do that in that timeframe," Mr Godfrey said. The comments came after V Australia earlier this week played down media reports that it had scaled back flights from Sydney to Los Angeles because of falling demand. Spokeswoman Heather Jeffery said the airline had consolidated two flights this month. "These are tactical, not permanent, schedule consolidations and as I'm sure you know, other airlines are doing similar in the current environment," she said. The international carrier this week also signed an interline agreement with Virgin America. Mr Godfrey said the trans-Pacific market had proved tougher than envisaged.


Source: The Australian


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19135 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 12):
that it might start services to the destination in 18 months were quite reasonable.

Ok, so I think the only news I have heard about Australia - Japan services for some time is that they keep getting cut back as Australia is no longer top of the pops so to speak for Japanese tourists. Is this really the case and if so, would V.Australia really benefit from expanding to Japan?

Or could I did a little deeper and find that they are just looking at other destinations closer to home than Sth Africa to expand to so they can do it with fewer aircraft, or it is a flow on from the US market getting flushed down the loo for the foreseeable future & they need alternates?


User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19077 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 13):

Ok, so I think the only news I have heard about Australia - Japan services for some time is that they keep getting cut back as Australia is no longer top of the pops so to speak for Japanese tourists. Is this really the case and if so, would V.Australia really benefit from expanding to Japan?

You have to wonder at some level whether it's wise to continue to focus on destinations like OOL, BNE, and CNS as the main attraction for inbound pax from Japan. Yes, we have beaches and a warm, climate, but so do many of our competitors.

There's got to be more of a two-track focus, trying to get a different sort of customer as well willing to travel to MEL, ADL, SYD (which also sees much of the inbound pax), DRW, HBA, PER etc and their surrounds for their cultural offerings, their culinary offerings and the like. The two aren't mutually exclusive- and something needs to be done to boost inbound passenger numbers in the long-term, notwithstanding any reduction in numbers related to the GFC.

No reason why VA can't be part of that- but given that they'd probably do so ex SYD or BNE I think they'd hardly be growing the market, even though their product would be a welcome option.


User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18931 times:

Japan is an interesting choice for VA. Especially as it has already been mentioned, Japan-Australia is and has been struggling for a while. I would have thought Hong Kong might have been the first Asian destination for VA, relieving VS of it's final leg to SYD.

Side question, what is the difference between Japan Airlines and Jalways? And how does it all work between the two?


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18883 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 12):



Quoting QFMel (Reply 14):

SYD is currently served by JL and QF (I think) and with Japanese tourists outnumbering Australian Tourists it makes more sense to send it to Japanese tourist destinations (OOL, CNS and BNE) on JQ. The OOL flights especially are not designed for Australians wanting to go to Japan, while the SYD and BNE are 50/50 and CNS is mainly tourist but alot of other capitals feed in. IMO JQ should operate OOL-CNS-Japan-OOL or vice versa.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18716 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 13):
Is this really the case and if so, would V.Australia really benefit from expanding to Japan?

I think so. As has been mentioned above they can time it to connect with VS in Tokyo. They could also go a fter some of the pax that don't want to fly with Oneworld (Ie the ANA pax).

I also thhnk there is some business they can take away from JQ being a lower cost full service airline.

In saying that though if MEL is postponed, I reckon SYD-PER-JNB must be on the cards instead.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18712 times:

Xinhua: Virgin Atlantic eyes Beijing; Shanghai - OZ link:
According to Chinese state media Xinhua issued on 05JUN09, it reports that Virgin Atlantic Airways is planning to start London - Beijing service. The airline is also looking at operation between Shanghai and Australia within the next 18 months.

The report quoting Virgin CEO Richard Branson that Virgin is enjoying high market shares on the Shanghai route, which grew from 2 weekly in 1999 to Daily since 2005.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18669 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 17):
I think so. As has been mentioned above they can time it to connect with VS in Tokyo. They could also go a fter some of the pax that don't want to fly with Oneworld (Ie the ANA pax).

I look forward to the advertising campaign to remind people that flying via Tokyo doesn't necessarily mean the flight is much longer than the normal routes  Smile Though I would wonder how many passengers would fall under this category, especially as the Virgin Atlantic views SQ as a partner airline.


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18664 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 17):
In saying that though if MEL is postponed,

Bad news indeed looks like MEL is cancelled completely with VA at the moment with Toll Dnata letting go of the vast majority of the staff hired for VA, a couple will stay and work on PR and EK but the rest.....
Such a shame still fingers crossed they'll be back soon!!


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18482 times:



Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 18):
Xinhua: Virgin Atlantic eyes Beijing; Shanghai - OZ link:
According to Chinese state media Xinhua issued on 05JUN09, it reports that Virgin Atlantic Airways is planning to start London - Beijing service. The airline is also looking at operation between Shanghai and Australia within the next 18 months.

SYD seems out of the running since they already servce there from HKG, so it limits it to BNE and MEL as they have previously exspressed an interest in serving PER direct from London with their 787-9's. Hoping for BNE, but MEL might be the better choice economically althought they'd have to compete with CA and MU. Would be great to see them in BNE and for another A340 here.


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18470 times:



Quoting DJ748 (Reply 21):
SYD seems out of the running since they already servce there from HKG, so it limits it to BNE and MEL as they have previously exspressed an interest in serving PER direct from London with their 787-9's. Hoping for BNE, but MEL might be the better choice economically althought they'd have to compete with CA and MU. Would be great to see them in BNE and for another A340 here.

Would love to see them in MEL I believe they expressed a wish a while ago to operate to Melbourne, wish it would be a 744 we already get enough A330s and A340s down here, although at least it would be a A346 I would imagine. Who currently does their ground handling in SYD? Menzies I presume?

Slowly Melbourne is getting up there in international flight numbers a few more exotic ones will hopefully be appearing soon (QR and fingers crossed for more to follow)
CZ is looking at increasing it's frequency down here from two to three perweek later in the year, nothing overly amazing but something nice none the less!!


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18458 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 22):
Slowly Melbourne is getting up there in international flight numbers a few more exotic ones will hopefully be appearing soon (QR and fingers crossed for more to follow)

I've seen an A346 in MEL previously a few years back when TG were flying them there. Was an awesome sight having seen one for the first time in the flesh.

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 22):
Would love to see them in MEL I believe they expressed a wish a while ago to operate to Melbourne, wish it would be a 744 we already get enough A330s and A340s down here, although at least it would be a A346 I would imagine

I forgot that - thanks for reminding me. MEL would definitely be high on their list of future destinations, even if taking a longer route from LHR via PVG. Mind you, it would be with the A346 as they currently use them on the PVG route.


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18289 times:



Quoting DJ748 (Reply 23):
I forgot that - thanks for reminding me. MEL would definitely be high on their list of future destinations, even if taking a longer route from LHR via PVG. Mind you, it would be with the A346 as they currently use them on the PVG route.

It would be interesting for a number fo reasons I beleive due to it's length the A346 can only fit at gate 10? EY is always there is this true or simply a rumour?
Also I wonder how full their PVG flight are at the moment there is no point extending the flight onwards from PVG if it is already full, otherwise they are only serving the MEL--PVG market not the through one. Was that the problem they had with HKG and SYD causing them to go to twice daily to HKG with one continuing onto SYD?


25 Tayser : Possibly a really n00b question, but at mainland China airports - can you transit without a visa like in HKG/SIN/BKK?
26 Smi0006 : If your are an Austrlian citizen; Yes but you must leave China on the same day, for example if you take the CZ flight from Melbourne it arrives into
27 Alangirvan : Well, you should check current Chinese transit rules, but people with some passports are allowed a 48 hour transit stop, without a Visa, at Shanghai.
28 DJ748 : I understand it was. Other people here could confirm this, but I'm quite positive it was. I do also recall that Premium Economy and Upper Class ticke
29 Post contains links Tayser : Open skies since 2006. http://www.travelvideo.tv/news/austr.../australia-uk-sign-open-skies-deal
30 Thegeek : With ETOPS-207, PER-JNB is doable with a bit of a diversion, and ETOPS-180 makes the diversion a bit more significant. But the question is, who would
31 9MMPD : Actually, I beleive JNB - PER -JNB is one of SA's most profitable routes. Equpment has been upgraded from A342 to A346. A colleague of mine traveled P
32 IndianicWorld : To be honest , IMHO I feel that spreading flights between SYD and BNE was not the best move. Also, SYD was likely a very bad move also to start with a
33 QFMel : Without wanting to sound chauvinistic (in the nationalist sense), such a move would almost certianly be subject to more scrutiny than would otherwise
34 TN486 : ANZ is a much different business now to the one that took over AN. With liberalisation of traffic etc across the Tasman, (turning it into domestic ro
35 TruemanQLD : We know that, but the general public do not. So any takeover would cause alot of undue scrutiny
36 IndianicWorld : I totally agree with this statement. In my view ANZ is not a good fit with DJ. DJ should look at returning more to its roots as a low cost carrier or
37 TN486 : I totally agree. IMHO, The changes in the political landscape in the last few years may make it easier to "sell" any consolidation that may be mooted
38 Gemuser : Actually IMHO this is exactly what the competition authorities in both Oz & NZ want. It will give two relatively strong ANZ airlines, not just one bi
39 IndianicWorld : This may be the case, put people elect governments. It will be unpopular and it will just become a political game. DJ is a larger airline than ANZ in
40 Zkpilot : Is capable of accepting 767s and is one alternate for AKL for them so A320 have no problems. Even though it was these same decision-makers who screwe
41 Gemuser : I really, really don't see that happening, at least on this side of the Tasman. I doubt there are enough people who care to make it a political issue
42 QFMel : Certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. But if a week is a long time in politics, a decade is a helluva lot longer in aviation. It's not that
43 TN486 : Taking up the "cudgel" so to speak on the demise of AN, there is 2 books worth reading on this subject. ANSETT, THE COLLAPSE" and "Ansett.The story of
44 Thegeek : That may be, but until fairly recently SYD-LAX was one of QF's most profitable routes. That they've been able to upgrade equipment helps VA's case fo
45 Gemuser : As NZ is a New Zealand company, I don't think this comes within the writ of the FIRB. As I said above I belive Graem and his NZ counterpart will be a
46 Tayser : agreed, Australia and New Zealand are very open about investment in each other's countries (christ, Australia owns New Zealand's banking system except
47 QFMel : I doubt CER precludes the involvement of FIRB if it is deemed in the national interest for the FIRB to be involved- it's another tool/mechanism to be
48 JQFlightie : just had a look on the QF website for airfares MEL - LAX via AKL.... QF25/26 for $500 MEL-AKL-LAX and then comming home $435 LAX-AKL-MEL... is this un
49 Jbernie : The QF prices have been for LAX/SFO - SYD/MEL/BNE with marginal add ons for say JFK (QF107/8) and for some other major cities served by AA (DFW/DEN).
50 Airvan00 : No , he does mean a 734. which is used on the MEL-ALK sector of the QF25. A 744 is used on the ALK-LAX sector. (starting tomorrow)
51 NZ107 : QF25/26 the 744 is only doing AKL-LAX and the addon to MEL will soon be operated by Jetconnect's 734 (then once they get them, 738). This is to make
52 Jbernie : Must have missed something while I was gone, yikes, that doesn't sound like the most ideal flight plan. So how do they manage this two aircraft setup
53 JQFlightie : thanks for the responses guys, i just find it a little odd MEL-AKL on a 734 .... that wouldnt be enough 'feed' to fill the 744.. so my guess is they a
54 ANstar : Coprrect - better to gill the AKL-LAX sector with AKL traffic rather than MEL. MEL fares are much lower than ex AKL ones due to VA/DL.
55 NZ107 : The 744 ONLY does AKL-LAX, nothing else. So basically it'll be on the ground in either AKL or LAX for the time it's not flying. As Jetconnect wraps u
56 Zkpilot : MEL-AKL is going from 1x744 and 1x733/734 to a new service of 3x733/734 daily (and 738s around the end of the year). The AKL-LAX sector will continue
57 AirbusA322 : and say hello to new routes from Pacific Blue: BNE-DUD (from 1st Sep) SYD-WLG (from 15th Sep) SYD-ZQN (from 1st Sep)
58 ANstar : I was wondering what routes would be flown with the gaps in the Hamilton Sched's now I know Great to see WLG and ZQN n/s from SYD.... ZQN has needed
59 Alangirvan : Just a quick poll for anyone on this thread, who does not read the NZ thread - now that people from Australia can use PacificBlue to fly direct into H
60 Gemuser : As a relatively frequent visitor to NZ, I would say, all things being equal (especially fares) I would use DUD if I was concentrating on the far sout
61 Rsg85 : A jetranger is down in dreamworld carpark, aircraft is on its side, seems intact apart from tail boom, rotor blades are even still in place, apparentl
62 Post contains links QF175 : Congratulations Pacific Blue.. always good to see additional competition and capacity! Good to also see an alternative to DJ and NZ to ZQN from Sydney
63 Jbernie : Hi there Alangirvan, my dad (and occasionally mum) visits NZ normally 2 -3 times a year for work, though for the most part its AKL based, but they do
64 ANstar : I think these services will be more aimed at NZ pax in Australia and NZ locals. i don't think they would be aimed at the average aussie tourist.
65 QFMel : Especially not if they're outside BNE or SYD.
66 Post contains links ANstar : Virgin Blue have launched a corporate travel program for cusomters spending $20K+ http://virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Med.../NewsandPressReleases/P_00889
67 ETA Unknown : I'd think one would have to be nuts to start Australia-NOU flights. Air Calin has the market and Alliance flies BNE-NOU charters, presumably for the n
68 JQFlightie : JQ has another New A320 VH-VGZ
69 Thegeek : Will SYD-ZQN be operated by 737-800s or -700s? PB have only used -800s before AFAIK, but the sensible thing would be to avoid or reduce weight restri
70 NZ107 : 800s. They're not introducing any other type yet.
71 Post contains links ANstar : Pacific Blue have been granted 3 weekly onward flights from Bali to Phuket. http://www.iasc.gov.au/determination...cisions/files/2009/2009iasc107.pdf
72 Thegeek : Sorry, some other questions: Why miss basically all of the ski season for SYD-ZQN? Surely the sensible thing is to start mid-July and get the ski tra
73 ETA Unknown : Anybody see SQ's LHR fares for sale last Sunday- about $1350 return!!! Who needs Flight Centre!!!
74 Sydscott : Or maybe they wanted 7 via DPS? According to the IASC QF has the other 4 available beyond frequencies from DPS so I assume that JQ are using them to
75 Smi0006 : Any ideas where this one will be based? I wonder when Jetstar Pacific will receive some more at the moment they are operating one only and 734s is th
76 Alangirvan : Or maybe they wanted 7 via DPS? According to the IASC QF has the other 4 available beyond frequencies from DPS so I assume that JQ are using them to f
77 ANstar : The MEL/SYD/ADL/BNE bali flights seem to get in around 2-4pm and then return around midnight so I guess it could be any one of those flights that wou
78 Flyjetstar : NZ flies the A320 AKL-NOU and it has to have an "international" service rather than the standard service that NZ provides on its TasPac services. Thi
79 Post contains links JQFlightie : i have no idea where it will be based. JQ Pacific have recently recieved a A320 i believe. http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/comm...ic-switches-airbus-
80 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Too late to reboot when in the air Disgruntled passengers on the new Qantas A380 luxury superjumbos have started calling it the A3-Lately or the A-180
81 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Virgin Blue and Emirates team up Virgin Blue and Emirates have joined forces in a new interline agreement to provide a seamless, single ticket option
82 NZ107 : I wonder if and when this will extend to Pacific Blue (domestic).. It says over their entire network so does that mean you can catch DJ from somewher
83 Post contains links and images QANTAS077 : A6-ERG left Perth this morning bound for DXB, this is the a/c that had the tail strike in Melbourne...its flying nonstop at 10,000 feet over the 16hr
84 Jbernie : Did they load up on scrabble, connect 4 and other items to keep the crew from boredom induced sleep? Wont envy the folks who got the job of flying th
85 VH-BZF : I was told A6-ERG left Melbourne yesterday and it will take 4 days for the aircraft to get to Toulouse where it will undergo the biggest ever repair j
86 QANTAS077 : certainly doing PER-DXB nonstop... I saw the flight plan via ACARS and it wasn't stopping anywhere between here and DXB.
87 Post contains links Rushed : It did strike the grass.. The preliminary report (page 7) has a good image of where the tail struck the ground. You can read the report here: http://
88 Ka : Strategic Air´s new/used A332 VH-SSA (msn324 ex-HB-IQR) was flown from ZRH to MNL today. KA.
89 Airvan00 : " target=_blank>http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...m.pdf BZF was saying that it nearly ran into the grass on landing.. It's second excursion insi
90 Ka : Sorry, to have misinformed you. When I went to nightshift yesterday the a/c was still parked in front of the hangars in ZRH. No new delivery flight w
91 Post contains links Smi0006 : Hey guys just noticed this on the Melbourne airport website; Not only did this record month come on the back of Melbourne Airport’s best ever April,
92 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...9/06/22/91215_gold-coast-news.html Coolangatta Gold Coast Airport is becoming a joke. Once it was a smallish do
93 Post contains links ANstar : One of the 5 Virgin Blue group board members resigns http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25674007-664,00.html Seems he wasn't going to get
94 Jbernie : Don't know the ins and outs of DJ executives and expected changes but I can't say this raises more than eyebrow for me, happens all the time, can't g
95 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Apparently he is off to be CEO of Jazeera Airways according to http://dmm.travel/news/artikel/lesen...er-chef-von-jazzera-airways-22923/ I used to li
96 Anstar : The 22JUN LAX-SYD (arr today) UA flight went tech... apparently something to do with Aircon/pressue. Most pax were rebooked on VA. Also VA;s last coup
97 AirbusA322 : I would be seriously worried if they were not sending out near full flights for selling flights at that price level. School Holidays are just about h
98 TruemanQLD : OOL doesnt need ILS. It simply cant warrant it. BNE only has Category 1 ILS and over the last few weeks OOL has seen EK, SQ and many others diverted
99 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...eports/2008/AAIR/pdf/AO2008020.pdf ATSB REPORT On 12 March 2008, an Airbus A320-200 aircraft, registered VH-VQY
100 Post contains images Jetfuel : I suggest looking at similar sized cities in the USA and you will find comparable airports do have ILS. When the weather is bad at OOL it is often ba
101 Gemuser : Your kidding, right? When you make such comparisons are you also comparing the weather too? NO Australian airport can justify more than a cat1 ILS, a
102 Qf1987 : On the topic of the ILS, does anybody know approximately how much it would cost to install a Cat3 ILS?
103 Jetfuel : No I am not. Have a look at places like Van Nuys in LA, just as an example. Theres no reason OOL shouldn't have a cat 1 ILS. All the other airports (
104 Jetfuel : No. But a a cat 1 for ool is going to cost $2 million
105 VirginFlyer : Don't forget the USA has a heck of a lot more aviation infrastructure compared to what we have here - controlled airspace and VORs galore. I'm not cl
106 Jbernie : This is where I would like to see the Fed Govt, & maybe the state govts step up, get Cat III installed at SYD, MEL, PER at least and then the airline
107 Post contains links Jetfuel : OOL again. This time a JQ A320 sweres on runway to avoid hiting turtle http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...9/06/26/92241_gold-coast-news.html
108 NZ107 : Eels on the runway?!!!!
109 Gemuser : Do you really think you can compare OOL and VAN Nuys? Van Nuys sits in a metropolitan area of about 15 million people, OOL 3 million to be generous.
110 Jetfuel : I love statistics (and I hope you enjoy a sense of humor). In actual fact Van Nuys serves the grand total of zero of that population with commercial
111 Gemuser : Exactly, but in movements it beats anything in Oz, that justifies the ILS. Find that hard to believe, got a source? If the actual operators don't wan
112 Post contains links Jetfuel : Heres a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_California Operators dont build infrastructure. Air Services Australia does. As I
113 Gemuser : True, but operators pay for it, one way or another. So what? Just because they are smaller doesn't mean they don't need more infrastructure than OOL.
114 Jetfuel : Gold Coast Airport is the fastest growing airport in Australia, and, during financial year 2006/2007, handled more than 3.7 million passengers and is
115 Zkpilot : agree with Gemuser here. In the USA aircraft have to deal with much greater levels of airtraffic as well as more extreme weather. When was the last t
116 Jetfuel : I am merely advocating a cat 1 ILS for OOL if it is to be able to grow the way that they are forecasting.
117 TruemanQLD : This will be fixed soon, but even then, the Airtrain is ridiculously expensive. If they do extend it down, it would be nice to keep the price the sam
118 Gemuser : OK, but "not to flog a dead horse" why? How does having an ILS fit in with handling the airports growth? At what point does the lack of an ILS become
119 TruemanQLD : " target=_blank>http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/....html Down on Currumbin beach this afternoon and as a Jetstar plane flies in I heard an intere
120 Jetfuel : The cost of a Cat1 ILS is not really a huge deal dollar wise and if it was merely up to the airport owner it would already be planned. OOL is startin
121 TruemanQLD : OOL could become a better airport with more upgrades, but the cost of these could start to affect the airlines that fly there. Sure, ILS might only eq
122 Foxecho : Hi everyone, I'm flying into OOL for a few days, at the end of Aug, hoping there wont be any fog after reading all this! Then after that I've got a SY
123 PITrules : Regarding ILS, one thing not mentioned is safety. I am not saying VOR approaches are unsafe. However, they are non-precision approaches. Generally spe
124 TruemanQLD : Im not sure how old those aircraft are, but most of the aircraft that fly into OOL are within 5 years old. I highly doubt there will be any, it rarel
125 Jetfuel : Fog is rare. OOL diversions are more cuased by low visibility from rain showers, This is a sub-tropical climate so it is to be expected from time to
126 Post contains links NZ107 : The spot by the beach looks like quite a lengthy walk from the International terminal. Take a look: http://www.spotterswiki.com/index.php?title=Sydne
127 Post contains links VirginFlyer : There are a fair number of airports in Australia served by airlines using turbojet equipment which do not have a ground-based precision approach, and
128 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Yes, it would be quite a hike to get there from either terminal. Here's a google map showing the route by car from the domestic terminal area to the
129 Post contains links Jetfuel : Thai 777 seriously stuffs up approach into MEL ATSB REPORT- http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...eports/2007/AAIR/pdf/AO2007055.pdf "The aircraft wa
130 Jbernie : Sometimes dumb luck is better than no luck at all?
131 VirginFlyer : Interesting tidbit in the weekly Australian Aviation Express newsletter: V/F
132 Foxecho : NZ107 Thanks for The info, I somehow didn't know about spotterswiki, MUCH appreciated...going to look up AKL as well because I also want to stop by t
133 Post contains links ANstar : http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...-may-2009-fares-in-free-fall/page1 An interesting article that highlights some of the challenges for the QF gro
134 AirbusA322 : According to yssy forum, Virgin are flying to Port Hedland daily from 4th August.
135 Post contains links Allrite : Darwin's $60m Jetstar hub put on hold Darwin Airport's CEO says that there is still room for Jetstar to expand as they are not currently flying 3 per
136 VirginFlyer : In another thread, there was some discussion about the viability of Darwin as a hub for one-stop flights from the Australian East Coast to Europe, ins
137 Allrite : I suspect that the airlines would use connecting flights between the international terminals of Darwin and the Australian capitals so that you would
138 6thfreedom : Tiger flights to Sydney commence today, as does Delta. Will be interesting to see how QF and DJ respond, and whether JQ starts flying MEL-SYD in stead
139 Post contains links VirginFlyer : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...nance-in-sydney-and-melbourne.html V/F
140 NZ107 : This one's much easier! However still another rather lengthy walk. Feel free to PM me if you want more info about AKL cos it's my home airport and I
141 Post contains links VirginFlyer : I'm surprised this hasn't already been mentioned, but Strategic Aviation has bought OzJet http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...stralias-strategic-bu
142 TN486 : I could be wrong on this, but I thought I read somewhere that Strategic had talks with Brindabella, and they were "discontinued" (the talks, that is)
143 Post contains links TruemanQLD : " target=_blank>www.statravel.co.uk/10poundpom http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/...ffered-10-pound-trip-to-australia/ Bit of a publicity grab but
144 ANstar : VA & VS strike Frequent FLyer partnership V Australia and Virgin Atlantic announce Frequent Flyer partnership Virgin Blue’s long-haul airline, V Aus
145 JQflightie : It will be getting used on a couple of Domestic sectors through-out August
146 TruemanQLD : Well, this was always going to happen but it will make VA's BNE-HKG and VS's LHR-HKG more attractable to use. If the BNE-HKG-LHR route goes ahead, wi
147 NZ107 : I would have thought that this was a no-brainer from the day DJ started (ok well maybe a little after but not that many years later). It seems like i
148 Post contains links Gardermoen : http://www.travelweekly.com.au/dirpl...eekly/TravelTodayPDF/9_07_2009.pdf News snippet in the attached about MH starting KUL-JKT-MEL flights in Septem
149 Post contains links TruemanQLD : http://www.qfom.com.au/707.html Avalon 2011 anyone? This would be great if it comes true but I dont like the chances
150 Post contains links Tayser : http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/1973/5.html Malaysian / Singaporean (they were at one stage one country) carriers have had rights to
151 TN486 : Thank you for the link. It would be great to see it fly again, we should never say never. For op reasons ( Temp lack of A320 capacity)?? or is it due
152 VirginFlyer : Unfortunately I wouldn't fancy the chances anytime soon - it would be quite pricey to have the aircraft flying again, and unfortunately I think money
153 6thfreedom : Nope, it's the current service. 3 of the overnight KUL-MEL services will stop in JKT, and 3pw overnight MEL-KUL services will stop in JKT. Overall KU
154 ETA Unknown : Wonder if MH's JKT stop will be any more successful than TG's SYD-JKT-BKK A300 flights in the 90's that were pulled very quickly.
155 TruemanQLD : Yes, LRE would have to extend the runway for it to take off, even if it was empty. The 707 could take off again and I remember the guide saying it is
156 Ditzyboy : I was wondering the same thing. The Asian Economic Crisis seemed to be the killer with that route. Although are these current economic times any bett
157 Alangirvan : When MH got their first A300B4-200s, they used those planes Kuala Lumpur-Jakarta-Perth tiwce weekly, in the early 80s.
158 Jasond : Well, its not just fuel money in the end. Just to get it to LRE required delicate certification and insurance negotiations etc etc with a lot of rest
159 VirginFlyer : I don't suppose anyone knows a rough fuel burn figure for the Super Constellation and the 707 at approximately sea level, do they? My semi-educated gu
160 NZ107 : Don't forget about John Travolta's 707. If that one's still flying, why is it that much harder to get others flying?
161 VirginFlyer : Because the others aren't backed by individuals worth in excess of US$200,000,000 (if a Google search is to be believed)? Like I said, it all comes d
162 Post contains links JQflightie : Channel 7 on Tuesday night, there is a new TV series starting called Airways, which is similar to Airline USA and Airline UK, but they have decided to
163 Kiwiandrew : " target=_blank>http://au.tv.yahoo.com/airways/ well , all I got was a boring ad for the NSW state government and then an annoying message saying ' t
164 Jbernie : and last i checked JT isn't a publically listed company that has to justify the costs of such extravagances to the shareholders in financial statemen
165 Post contains links JQflightie : hhmmm strange... http://au.tv.yahoo.com/airways/
166 NZ107 : Yeah, it's Australia-wide only. At least I got the Harry Potter trailer instead of the NSW Govt ad!
167 VirginFlyer : Wasn't there an 'Airline' style show about Jetstar a couple of years back? Maybe on Channel Nine? I seem to recall it didn't last too long before bei
168 NZ107 : Maybe they'll do one on JQ in New Zealand!
169 ANstar : Yes there was a show when JQi launched. However it was more of a big PR ad fro Jetstar rather than a warts and all show like Airline UK was.
170 Allrite : I watched the entire series and it was more an advert for their destinations, but there were some interesting looks at some of the safety training, f
171 SInGAPORE_AIR : Just looking at QF31 tonight. Left SYD gate on time at 1625. Took off 25 minutes late at 1650. There's a stop scheduled in KUL between 2300 and 2350 l
172 ANstar : I dont think it is a diverison... more a scheduled stop - probably for a large group... they do this every now and then
173 DavidByrne : There was a similar weekly series set in Christchurch when DJ set up Pacific Blue to operate TT services - again, seemed mainly PR opportunity.
174 JQflightie : yeah it was called 'Going Places'
175 SInGAPORE_AIR : Perhaps. Either way the A388 has left Singaproe 16 hours late - tech problem I assume.
176 ANstar : DJ has been placed into a trading halt, pending an announcement no later than Wednesday re a $400M capital raising.
177 JQflightie : i really need something answered to all those aussie aviation enthusists, i was disembarking at LST the other morning (freezing 2 degrees) it was 0935
178 NZ107 : Any chance of it being an NZ 763 PER-AKL? Do they fly that far south? Its Great Circle distance takes it over MEL...
179 JQflightie : it look liked it was a 2 engined Aircraft... but i honestly wouldnt be able to tell u.... lol but thanks for giving me a idea...
180 Jasond : $400M for what purpose you might ask? Not a huge amount in airline cirlces. Very small number of additional aircraft at current prices or something e
181 Post contains links ANstar : QF rasied $500M not too long ago... pretty sure it is not for anything in pariticular - other than keeping the balance sheet strong and having cash i
182 JQflightie : " target=_blank>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...roof/ "These Qantas 767s are overdue for replacement. They were to be replaced by 787s, but th
183 Jasond : The last few months I have been flying Perth to Canberra regularly via Sydney in the early hours of the morning and on one occasion I did see gaffa t
184 Thegeek : A few people have said this, but for what reason? Are maintenance costs too high? Is reliability too low? Is fuel consumption too high? Something els
185 Alangirvan : Any chance of Qantas getting 737-900ERs? Might get them for a nice price from the batch that Lion Air of Indonesia ordered.
186 The Coachman : For labor reasons, it won't be A321's in QF colours as nice as it would be. It would be 739's. Having said that, they could increase yields by flying
187 JQflightie : i didnt say this it was in the article on the link posted
188 747m8te : Would have been from HBA, quite common, they easily get high enough by the time they pass LST to produce the jetstream, I used to work in LST (hometo
189 JQflightie : wow! thanks for that, yeah i luv flying in there in the morn.,.... its so beautiful! so cool... would have been JQ702 0850 HBA-MEL
190 Thegeek : If they do I hope they get rid of their IMO silly policy of forcing everyone to use the front door on narrow bodies. I've never understood why DJ did
191 Alangirvan : I think the Qantas issue with the 739 has been the turn time for this plane, with a few extra rows compared with 738. I wonder if Qantas still feels
192 The Coachman : The 764 would be too heavy for Citiflyer and Trans Tasman. You may as well use the 332. I disagree with the notion that QF would need more flights to
193 Alangirvan : I think Delta uses the 764 between Atlanta and Orlando, which is a very short flight. If the 764 is available with different weights, a medium range
194 Rsg85 : This is almost an echo of the issue of the 743's, i doubt QF will order aircraft to bridge a gap just as they didnt previously. If they were to order
195 Aussie_ : Whatever the reason for the extended delays in KUL and SIN it has meant my LAX-MEL flight today has been changed from an A380 to a 744... Grrr, and t
196 Westjet!Eh! : Some airlines can fly whatever they want without following the flightpaths and waypoints. It depends on the weather, distance and lists go on.
197 Vhqpa : Why doesn't Boeing just give QF brand new lower weight 763ER's (380k lbs MTOW) as 787 compensation that way QF can start taking delivery of the new 7
198 The Coachman : Sensible suggestion in some senses but other factors will include the fact that the media will take QF to task for buying "old" generation aircraft.
199 Alangirvan : I only mentioned Atlanta to Orlando because I saw a passenger eye view of this flight on YouTube. I think when Delta first got the 764 they were disap
200 The Coachman : Only worth doing if in off-peak the plane can be kept full. The trip costs are obviously going to be greater in absolute terms than a 737 or A320 - b
201 Thegeek : Yes, so long as the frequency is appropriate. For SYD-MEL, if you reduce the off peak frequency from every 30 mins to every 40 mins, and the peak fre
202 The Coachman : The problem with that is that a lot of QF's SYD-MEL frequencies in the middle of the day have been dropped to hourly on many days (including most wee
203 Thegeek : This could be because of JQ starting SYD-AVV flights. I count roughly 30 QF daily flights and 6 JQ flights. This is nearly the difference in capacity
204 Post contains links Allrite : Australian Aviation Thread 29 is now up!
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