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Ryan Air To Have Credit Card Swipe On Toilets  
User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14681 times:

Ok, so I know this has been rumored for quite sometime now, but abc news is now reporting that Ryan Air will have credit card swipes on their toilet(s). It appears that they are removing some of them as well to make room for more seats.
You can access the article here.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnew...lines-new-cost-saving-measure.html

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User currently offlineJrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14622 times:

I still doubt they will go through with this. As to removing toilets for seats, i dont believe they can as 189 is capacity for emergency requirements.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10332 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14569 times:

Is this more of O'Leary's PR crap?



No pun intended.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14548 times:

I have always thought that people who say "I am never going to fly X airline again" are silly, especially when it is because of some ordinary problem such as weather delay.

But I will admit that I am thankful that Ryanair does not fly anywhere near where I live and it is unlikely that I ever will be on one of their airplanes. The whole airline is just tacky and stupid.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14485 times:

piss on the floor..that will show O leary

User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14467 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 3):
But I will admit that I am thankful that Ryanair does not fly anywhere near where I live and it is unlikely that I ever will be on one of their airplanes. The whole airline is just tacky and stupid.

So long as you haven't eaten any dodgy food prior to flight, used the facilities in the terminal, dont overload on drinks prior/during and have a flight of less than.... hmmm 2 hours maybe... then I could see people lining up to fly them.

As to removing two toilets... IIRC correctly there is on up front by the door/cockpit and two at the back right? I don't think they could put any seats up front as that space isnt really practical and again IIRC they have the galley at the very back near the toilets so again it doesnt sound practical, though maybe they don't have the galley but I would still see that area being subprime for seating, doesn't sound appealing.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14415 times:

Oh no, not this story again.....

I call BS (of course that's after I fell for it and posted it a few months ago. Lesson learned.)

Tugg



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User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14416 times:

If you look at the article it states about a measure to counter the l cnosses.
Ryanair has made a profit last year if you keep the Aer Lingus writedown aside.

I don't think FR will actually do this creditcard swiping thing.
They can't charge too much for it, and then again if they charge too little it's not going to give it's money's worth with the additional accounting, etc...

I do nevertheless believe that they would want to reduce the number of toilets to save a row of seats, a 3% capacity increase across the fleet...

We'll see how it plays out, I'm booked on 6 flights this year, FR is always on time, significantly cheaper and comfortable if you can shut your eyes and avoid looking at the awfully yellow cabin. I do nevertheless prefer FR's yellow cabin to 747 cabins with ever-vibrating loose interior parts that never get repaired because no one of the crew reports them and mechs can't guess on the ground.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14386 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
piss on the floor..that will show O leary

Or you could pee in a bottle/jar at your seat. Wonder how the FAs would react to that?  eyepopping 

Quoting Jbernie (Reply 5):
So long as you haven't eaten any dodgy food prior to flight, used the facilities in the terminal, dont overload on drinks prior/during and have a flight of less than.... hmmm 2 hours maybe... then I could see people lining up to fly them.

It is funny to compare, but we have laws in California that require any business that serves food to have public restrooms on the premises.


User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14370 times:

In another thread regarding MOL's interest to buy LH, someone stated that it may be just an attempt to draw attention away from the reports of their losses. If this is the case, then this may simply be another attempt at that.

But I don't think the idea is very practical. What if someone leaves their credit card in their hold luggage? What if their card isn't accepted? What if they're desperate for the loo? Not to mention the fact that there's often a queue for the toilets. With this in mind, what's to stop a passenger from leaving the door open for the next person who is waiting to use the toilet? With all of these factors taken into account (and I'm sure there's more) I don't think such an idea would be practical, and for that reason, I doubt whether or not they will ever implement such a scheme.

- Rich


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24658 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14309 times:

I have serious doubts about that ABC item, especially since the reference to removing two toilets to add seats is impossible. Ryanair 737-800s have 189 seats which is the maximum number permitted according to the aircraft's certification based on emergency exit requirements.. And operating an aircraft with that many seats with just one lavatory would be highly unlikely.

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14200 times:

There is a complete sense of humour failure by whatever idiot wrote the ABC article. Have you read the article it links to in the Guardian? It's great  Smile

User currently offlineMidcon385 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13936 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 5):
So long as you haven't eaten any dodgy food prior to flight, used the facilities in the terminal, dont overload on drinks prior/during and have a flight of less than.... hmmm 2 hours maybe... then I could see people lining up to fly them.

Unless you have a medical condition which affects your bowel or bladder...



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13888 times:

I doubt this will ever happen. Also they plan to start having pax load their own bags in the future? What is that supposed to mean? Passengers aren't allowed on the tarmac so I know thnat is a definite lie. Either that or Ryanair really hates their passengers.


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User currently offlineKE7JFF From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Is there anything legally in Irish or EU law that would be an obstacle for this to happen?

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13781 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 13):
I doubt this will ever happen. Also they plan to start having pax load their own bags in the future? What is that supposed to mean? Passengers aren't allowed on the tarmac so I know thnat is a definite lie. Either that or Ryanair really hates their passengers.

Of course they are. FR don't fly in the US, remember? In virtually every airport that FR flies to they don't use jetbridges, they board using airstairs from the front and rear. They can just drop the bag on the belt on the way in  Smile

Obviously this isn't going to happen.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5284 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

Quoting NCB (Reply 7):

I do nevertheless believe that they would want to reduce the number of toilets to save a row of seats, a 3% capacity increase across the fleet...

  

Quoting Jrfspa320 (Reply 1):
i dont believe they can as 189 is capacity for emergency requirements.

 
Unless they are planning to obtain 737-900ERs...  scratchchin 

[Edited 2009-06-03 19:10:59]


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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13604 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
It is funny to compare, but we have laws in California that require any business that serves food to have public restrooms on the premises.

Eghansen,

I am NOT questioning you...seriously...please understand that!

But what I would like to know is...do you have to be a patron to use them?

I recall being at a Carl's Jr. by LAX a couple years ago on an overnight and I swear there was a slot on the door for either quarters or tokens given by the front desk.

Could someone not using the restroom ask for tokens?

Really...I was curious about it at the time and not doubting you....just wondering the specifics!


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13515 times:



Quoting N702ML (Reply 17):
Eghansen,

I am NOT questioning you...seriously...please understand that!

But what I would like to know is...do you have to be a patron to use them?

I recall being at a Carl's Jr. by LAX a couple years ago on an overnight and I swear there was a slot on the door for either quarters or tokens given by the front desk.

Could someone not using the restroom ask for tokens?

Really...I was curious about it at the time and not doubting you....just wondering the specifics!

I have encountered such things in various US cities. Los Angeles included.


User currently offlineACKattack From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13456 times:

If this is real, I see two issues with this idea.

1) what if the machine won't accept your credit card (off-brand like Discover) or for some reason you don't have one (young passenger for example). Will the FAs be able to let you in or are you destined to hold it (medically dangerous at an extreme level) or just pee in the cabin.

2) this seems to be inviting many lawsuits, especially from medically disabled passengers who might not be able to hold it for a whole flight.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

I'm just curious - what about an unaccompanied minor who's too young to have a credit card? (I assume like in the US, you have to be 18 years old, or around that, to have a credit card, and I'm also assuming Ryanair allows UMs on their flights).

Somehow I don't see this one going over.


User currently offlineKE7JFF From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13400 times:



Quoting ACKattack (Reply 19):

Since you can't do transaction authorization online in the air, I bet you there will be a high number of transactions that will get rejected when on the ground :P


User currently offlineExpatmatt From Liechtenstein, joined Oct 2004, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13361 times:

I believe this is another successful ploy by O'Leary to get even more free publicity. Why should he pay to get his airline's name in the news when he can concoct stories or plans that would naturally draw FREE attention to the Ryanair brand.

Think about it, the goal of marketing and brand image is to have customers aware of your brand... and Ryanair is positioned to be the cheapest possible on earth... and by perpetuating this image with things to make the airline even look cheaper (thereby saving you more money), they're succeeding at making you all think just how cheap they are. When you're in need of a cheap ticket and price is your deciding factor, the Ryanair brand will come to mind. The irony, though, is that sometimes you can find tickets cheaper on major global airlines, but you'll first think of Ryanair to be the cheapest. Yield management works wonders... you're not going to the get the 1p seats for a flight leaving in 2 hours from now... and because you *think* Ryanair is the cheapest, given O'Leary, his antics and his brand positioning, you're going to probably call Ryanair before you even may THINK to call BA.

Simply put, Ryanair has some marketing genuises calling the shots and illustrating some great concepts and theories.

Given the consumer protection measures within the EU, I do not see charging for lavatory use being feasible strictly based on the liability issues regarding those individuals with disabilities.


User currently offlineExpatmatt From Liechtenstein, joined Oct 2004, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13334 times:

Two more things to think about....

1/Credit card companies charge fees between 1% and 4% of the transaction... the merchant (Ryanair) would pay these fees.... merchants can pay lower fees using other cards like Switch/Solo or other real time banking cards/direct debits. But realistically, this is an expect Ryanair would want to avoid... even though it's a matter of a few cents... unless they jack up the price to make this activity a profit centre.

2/Think of the added weight involved in machinery and the added parts involved in such a payment mechanism.... if Ryanair was touting their removal of windowshades and seatpockets to eliminate the amount of parts that could break or could need repair and to reduce weight (-->fuel savings) I'd guess this is more weight/parts that contradict their 'philosophy'.

Bottom line, O'Leary is reaping in the free publicity. But once the rest of the world is on to him, he'll need to think of another outrageous thing to charge for that could drag his brand into the (free) spotlight even longer....


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13185 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
It is funny to compare, but we have laws in California that require any business that serves food to have public restrooms on the premises.



Quoting Midcon385 (Reply 12):
Unless you have a medical condition which affects your bowel or bladder...

Frontier, Southwest & Jet Star are as LCC as I will pretty much go if I have a choice. So you can probably figure I won't get on a RyanAir flight should I ever decide to head to Europe.


25 Jwenting : Aeroflot did it with some of their fleet... When you flew an Il-86 you boarded through the cargo bay and had to load your own luggage in the hold. An
26 RussianJet : Oh man. Not going to happen - end of story. Massive cost of installation, additioinal cleaning costs when people piss in the cabin, potential legal ob
27 Shamrock321 : As Ryanair offer food and drink for sale on board their aircraft, they are obliged to provide toilet facilities for free. If they want to charge for t
28 TFFIP : It would be better to charge people to get OUT if they have left the toilet in a filthy state.
29 Johruk : And what makes me angry is that they charge the customer way more than what they get charged...There really should be something done about it!
30 WILCO737 : Don't fly with them anymore. If it is getting too much for what you have to pay and if you don't like their service or policy: avoid them. wilco737
31 Ty134A : This can mean we will see an order for some ILWs, a plane perfectly fitting that concept. And the ILW has plenty of toilets they can remove in the ba
32 GFFgold : Will it be charged per visit, per minute or per kg 'excess baggage' deposited?
33 OA260 : LOL... If someone doesnt have a CC to swipe and they are desperate then I guess they could just p@@s on the floor near the galley .
34 Johruk : Which I try to, but in my line of business it is my customers who decide on what flight they want...They are ever expanding from BRS (my local) but I
35 PanHAM : that would be "swipe or wipe" . They could recruit F/As from Yorkshire Airlines gto enforce that policy. This is not going to happen, at least not wi
36 Burkhard : 35 replies already on a media misunderstanding of an old joke...
37 EICVD : Its not going to happen, why is there always so many threads on this? I thought most of you A.netters would know beter.
38 Babybus : If you forgot your credit card and you inadvertantly had an 'accident' in the seat that would take out the aricraft for 3 hours as the new clean seat
39 Ssublyme : This could get messy, in more ways than one.
40 LH526 : Truer words never spoken!
41 Pe@rson : 99% of charges are optional. And I, for one, don't pay anything except the fare. I don't even pay the online check-in fee as I only book when it isn'
42 Av8rDAL : There's a Burger King on Hollywood Blvd with the same set-up. I guess it's to try to keep the bums out. Which doesn't make sense, because if they don
43 Post contains links and images AirRyan : No problem chaps, just stock up on these before your flight and there's no need to even get out of your seat! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blwBvrFQy
44 MCOflyer : Ok, koking or not, this is very inhumane to even think of. Who in the devil would even do that? KH
45 LHRSpotter : Yes, EU law stipulates that if food is sold and consumed on the plane there must be lavatories installed and the access to them can't be subject to p
46 Max999 : I think this idea could work for Ryanair because it reduces costs...not by raising revenue. The logic is that by putting a hurdle towards using the ba
47 Jcf5002 : Note to self: Don't eat corn before flying Ryan Air...
48 ConvairNut : My family and I are flying FR from Oslo to Dublin in August; $251 for the 3 of us...round-trip. That's a 2+ hour flight either way. I'm not sure how w
49 JAGflyer : If I'm paying to use the lav (which I never will do) it better be cleaned several times during the flight. :p
50 FlyDeltaJets87 : I do have to ask though - is charging to use the loo on a plane that far of a concept for Europe? They charge to use the loo just about everywhere els
51 Eaa3 : If Ryanair did fly to an airport near you then the competing airlines would be compelled to lower fares. It's like Wal Mart, you don't have to shop t
52 Greenjet : Not if you live in Ireland though. Not at all. Those plastic seats are easy to wipe
53 Bramble : WILL PEOPLE PLEASE STOP BELIEVING EVERY DRAMATIC HEADLINE ABOUT RYANAIR. THEY SAYS THINGS TO GET ATTENTION AND FREE PUBLICITY
54 Cvervais : It's not excess, you brought it on with you when you boarded the plane
55 Pe@rson : It is not just the media that takes up a story that FR no doubt manufactured for effect, but A.nutters too. And consistently. Will people never learn
56 7324ever : God if this happened could they do this on RyanAtlantic?
57 Brilondon : If I was ever to get on this airline please shoot me. I suppose you could just crap on the floor away from your seat in or near the galley.
58 Jbernie : Can I get a discount if the trip is from depositing the food/drink I BOB from them?
59 Aviateur : That sums it up rather nicely, I think. PS
60 Cvervais : Sounds like a recycling plan to me. Maybe they can market it as being "green".
61 Post contains links Eghansen : We have low cost airlines in the US that reduce air fares for everybody. Since deregulation in 1979, the statistics show that airfares have fallen in
62 Luv2cattlecall : I can understand not wanting to fly them...but why are you glad they don't fly near you? All it would do is make flying affordable on other airlines
63 GFFgold : Indeed! This is the reason why many airlines have a transaction limit on credit card purchases on board. It is simply too expensive to have real-time
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