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UA's New Business Class Seats Photo!  
User currently offlineAirmaleJUM From United States of America, joined May 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14131 times:


This is a shot of the United new business class seats on their 767s.

[Edited 2009-06-03 20:42:44]

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User currently offlineJokestar From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14053 times:

Wow, Qantas should look at this 767, and LAN 767's and think what are we doing about this?

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14054 times:
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They look like Y class seats (in regards to width).

User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13991 times:

A tad bit late on this one, but a good photo. You should really see This Trip Report to get a great review on UA's J product.

Have a nice day  Smile



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2492 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13998 times:



Quoting AirmaleJUM (Thread starter):
This is a shot of the United new business class seats on their 767s.

Very nice.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 2):
They look like Y class seats (in regards to width).

They look much wider to me. Besides look how wide the center armrest is.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13965 times:

What is the purpose of having some of the seats facing back? I would think you would find yourself looking at/distracted by the other people facing forward. Plus the Economy pax would be looking at you. A distinct loss of privacy.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 2):
They look like Y class seats (in regards to width).

If it is six-across on a 767, you gain little actual width from the economy seat. It works out to about 3 inches per seat additional of which half is used by the armrest and the rest by the seat. Continental uses 2-1-2 instead of 2-2-2 on their 767s which gives you a wider seat.


User currently offlineAirmaleJUM From United States of America, joined May 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13906 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
If it is six-across on a 767, you gain little actual width from the economy seat. It works out to about 3 inches per seat additional of which half is used by the armrest and the rest by the seat. Continental uses 2-1-2 instead of 2-2-2 on their 767s which gives you a wider seat.

it is 2-2-2 in C/J and 1-1-1 in first class of course  Smile


User currently offlineAirmaleJUM From United States of America, joined May 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13862 times:

Big version: Width: 500 Height: 333 File size: 98kb

the 400 first class


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13737 times:

Looks fantastic to me both classes!
Did the 767s receive new interiors (lockers and the likes?) throughout or just business like AA did?
First looks great I just worry whilst current now how long it will last, seems alot of new F products will be being introduced soon.

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
Plus the Economy pax would be looking at you. A distinct loss of privacy.

Are US carriers still not allowed to have curtains dividing cabins?

Quoting Jokestar (Reply 1):
Wow, Qantas should look at this 767, and LAN 767's and think what are we doing about this?

I don't know how Lan use their 767s but QF only really use them domestically these days, except for MNL and HNL, perhaps they could do with these seats but I doubt the would reconfigure do few aircraft I am surprise though that we haven't seen them deploy A332s on these routes they have a few spare I think.

One of the other threads stated the new Y seats that are being fitted to the 777s will later be fitted to the 767s and the 744s can any confirm this as true?


User currently offlineWestjet!Eh! From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13342 times:

Well.... I thought old first class seats were wider than Y seats. When i was on a SQ744, I found out that width of the first class seat is about little the same as Y seats. It looked very narrow for me to sit on it. Not happy with that!

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13265 times:



Quoting Jokestar (Reply 1):
Wow, Qantas should look at this 767, and LAN 767's and think what are we doing about this

Not at all.. the should look at Air Canada's 767's in J -= NICE!


User currently offlineEK425 From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13129 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 8):
I don't know how Lan use their 767s but QF only really use them domestically these days, except for MNL and HNL,

They also use the 763's on the PER-NRT run.



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12905 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
What is the purpose of having some of the seats facing back?

If you have a careful look at United's website on its cabin upgrades, www.suitedreams.united.com/, you will see that the seats are laid out such the the position of the feet overlap. I'd guess this was the way of being able to fit in a sufficient density of seating in the cabin while providing a seat which reclines level to the floor (aka a fully flat bed). If you had them all facing forward, you would either need a greater seat pitch, or you would have to provide space underneath each seatpod for the legrest of the seat behind to extend into, which would lead to the seats not being able to recline level to the floor, a complaint over some earlier generation lie-flat business class seats. There are other alternatives to provide a suuitable seating density, such as BA's forwards/backwards pair configuration, or the herringbone configuration used by VS, NZ, AC, DL etc. I have to say it looks peculiar, but then again so did the other two. I'll be interested to read how people are reacting to it.

V/F



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12840 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 8):
Are US carriers still not allowed to have curtains dividing cabins?


They have curtains, you can see them in the picture. The rule requires that the curtains cannot be completely opaque.

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 12):
There are other alternatives to provide a suuitable seating density, such as BA's forwards/backwards pair configuration, or the herringbone configuration used by VS, NZ, AC, DL etc. I have to say it looks peculiar, but then again so did the other two. I'll be interested to read how people are reacting to it.

Or DL's new staggarded 1-2-1 layout on some of their 767-400s, which all face forward and every seat can access the aisle. Of course DL has a North American exclusive on that design for now.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12814 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 2):
They look like Y class seats (in regards to width).



Quoting Phollingsworth (Reply 13):
Or DL's new staggarded 1-2-1 layout on some of their 767-400s, which all face forward and every seat can access the aisle. Of course DL has a North American exclusive on that design for now.

Both seats aren't much wider than Y, but the important thing here is lie flat, not seat width.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12693 times:

I think LAN's 763 Business Class product is excellent; even better than this UAL upgrade. LAN is a tough competitor, a world class operation in all senses.

User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12626 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
Quoting Phollingsworth (Reply 13):
Or DL's new staggarded 1-2-1 layout on some of their 767-400s, which all face forward and every seat can access the aisle. Of course DL has a North American exclusive on that design for now.

Both seats aren't much wider than Y, but the important thing here is lie flat, not seat width.



one of the drawbacks from an airline point of view for the DL seat might be that they only are 1-2-1 compared to 2-2-2 on UA which i would think would make them slightly wider too


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12152 times:



Quoting AirmaleJUM (Reply 7):
the 400 first class

This looks like the old first to me. Are you sure that isn't the previous generation first suite? I will admit the changes between the two first class designs is a lot more difficult for me to decifer. Business is obviously a much greater leap. If this is indeed the new F product, would anyone mind delineating to me the main differences between the two designs?



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12089 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
If it is six-across on a 767, you gain little actual width from the economy seat. It works out to about 3 inches per seat additional of which half is used by the armrest and the rest by the seat

True but the armrests do drop down so its not quite that tight when you are sleeping.

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 8):
Did the 767s receive new interiors (lockers and the likes?) throughout or just business like AA did?

Only up front at this point....

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 17):
This looks like the old first to me. Are you sure that isn't the previous generation first suite?

This is the next generation of F class seat. Same general design although two less seats up front, next generation of IFE and cosmetic changes.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11931 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 15):
I think LAN's 763 Business Class product is excellent; even better than this UAL upgrade. LAN is a tough competitor, a world class operation in all senses.

Is there a link to their product?


User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11692 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
If it is six-across on a 767, you gain little actual width from the economy seat. It works out to about 3 inches per seat additional of which half is used by the armrest and the rest by the seat

True but the armrests do drop down so its not quite that tight when you are sleeping.

Correct. On the first seats installed, the armrest between neighboring seats, also dropped down. On the seat pictured, it doesn't, which is a better design since it provides additional space for small items like glasses, or just extra width. It is a great design.

Quoting NZdsgnr (Reply 16):
one of the drawbacks from an airline point of view for the DL seat might be that they only are 1-2-1 compared to 2-2-2 on UA which i would think would make them slightly wider too

The seats in the 1-2-1 configuration don't seem to be wider, there is a big space between the seats, which is the box into which the legs of the person behind goes. This configuration is better for aisle access and privacy (important), but worse for ability to move your legs, which are stuck in a box, and spaciousness. Delta's product also looks good.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11189 times:



Quoting 787KQ (Reply 20):
The seats in the 1-2-1 configuration don't seem to be wider, there is a big space between the seats, which is the box into which the legs of the person behind goes. This configuration is better for aisle access and privacy (important), but worse for ability to move your legs, which are stuck in a box, and spaciousness. Delta's product also looks good.

Here's a pic, for those wondering what they look like:

http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...vices/business_elite/flat_beds.jsp

V/F



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11002 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 15):
I think LAN's 763 Business Class product is excellent; even better than this UAL upgrade. LAN is a tough competitor, a world class operation in all senses.

= I do not know if I would go as far as to call LAN a "world class operation in all senses". They are an extremely well run airline and has some of the best minds in the Americas doing revenue management and network design (I think aided by McKinsey and SH&E). They are what I call the "LH of Latin America". They have done well by providing reliable consistent service to areas not known for the same. However, they have significant strides to improve in customer service - while cabin crew are slightly above average in the world (and better than most in the region), their call centers (especially FFP) leaves much to be desired. I am a "Comodoro" on LanPass and I can tell you that it is staffed with some of the most incompetent people in the industry.

In terms of J seats, I prefer the UAL - J over LAN's J. However, it still is an excellent product.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5129 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11002 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 19):

Is there a link to their product?

= A review of their product: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/136192/

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10323 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 17):
his looks like the old first to me. Are you sure that isn't the previous generation first suite? I will admit the changes between the two first class designs is a lot more difficult for me to decifer. Business is obviously a much greater leap. If this is indeed the new F product, would anyone mind delineating to me the main differences between the two designs?

There are a lot of changes, but if you aren't familiar with the product, you might not notice. The biggest change is IFE, which is now a huge 15 inch screen which you can see, rather than a 5 inch one that pops out. The seats are now angled away from the windows, whereas before they were angled towards the window. There is more privacy because there is a full "shell."

The easiest way to tell the difference is to search for pics of United 747 cabins on this website and their are loads of shots from this same angle in the old config. You will notice the difference easily.


25 AirmaleJUM : The old first is much different the TV is much smaller. You have to stow it for take off and landing. There are pics on here of it I will try to find
26 Pellegrine : Does anyone have a picture of new First on UA's 767-300ERs???
27 BMIFlyer : I Like
28 Post contains links UAORD2000 : Check out www.suitedreams.united.com
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