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Route Questions: Tel Aviv-New York  
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

On any given weekday, there are X flights from Tel Aviv to New York and back. Here's a weekday schedule of those flights:

Tel Aviv to New York (by departure time in Tel Aviv)
12:05 AM, El Al to Newark (4x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
12:40 AM, Delta Airlines to JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
1:00 AM, El Al to JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 747-400
10:40 AM, El Al to JFK (5x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
11:40 AM, Continental Airlines to Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
11:50 PM, Continental Airlines to Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200

New York to Tel Aviv (by departure time in New York)
8:05 AM, El Al from Newark (4x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
9:35 AM, Continental from Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
1:20 PM, El Al from JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 747-400
2:20 PM, Delta from JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
4:15 PM, Continental from Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
5:15 PM, El Al from JFK (5x Weekly) - Boeing 747-400

That's 35 weekly flights between Tel Aviv and Delta in each direction.

Is there really room for 10,000 per week that fly between New York and Tel Aviv?

I'm not even counting other flights to North America such as U.S. Airways to Philadelphia, Air Canada and El Al to Toronto, and El Al to Los Angeles.

Obviously there is room for this because if there wasn't they wouldn't have so many flights...

This isn't really a question, I just want to open a discussion about it and hear what people think about this route, and if 35 weekly flights is justified.


LY772

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

You should also add the 1-stops via Europe, which are substantial.

User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Ofcourse but today with the American Airlines/El Al codeshare you can fly El Al to almost any place in Europe and fly with AA to the U.S.....

That's what I'm doing in a few weeks. I'm flying TLV-MAD with LY and then MAD-DFW with AA.


User currently offlineJfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Well EL AL usually flies 4 Daily and not 2 Daily to JFK.

All the planes are always fully booked and you could check that all the carriers apply a much more expensive premium on this economy class booking then on other flights with similar range.

NYC-TLV is not a point where people connect to Tel Aviv 95% of passangers between the two cities are based in NYC.

As for the other airlines they are working off of connecting passangers in the USA.

This is a very big route in the United States with around 4 Million people flying back and forth from the USA to Israel and vice a versa.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4034 times:



Quoting LY772 (Thread starter):
2:20 PM, Delta from JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200

You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55


User currently offlineDaviation From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

I travel on this route at least once each year. In the past few years, I have used LY on their 777 service from EWR. However, when I made the reservation for my next travel on 6/29, LY was simply too expensive (perhaps the fares have since come down), so I chose the LH 747 service from EWR to TLV via FRA, which was one-half the cost. It will be my first trip on LH. By the way, every LY nonstop that I have been on was completely full, so there must be a big demand for these flights.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55

Delta.com still shows a 1420 departure time.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3730 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55

According to the official website of TLV it is correct.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting Mayor (Reply 6):
Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55

Delta.com still shows a 1420 departure time.

Maybe we are talking two different things here. I could be confused.
I thought the thread stated DL JFK-TLV departed JFK at 2:20pm.
and Flight 86 Departs JFK 1955 and arrives TLV 2:25pm.

[Edited 2009-06-04 10:08:02]

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Sorry....you are correct....I read it wrong, too......DL 86 departs at 1950 and arrives at 1420, next day......


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Also, I don't believe CO has a early am dept out of EWR. They have a flight that leaves at 22:50 and arrives 16:15. along with their 16:15 departure that arrives 09:35

User currently offlineDutchflyboi From Netherlands, joined Apr 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3540 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 10):
They have a flight that leaves at 22:50 and arrives 16:15. along with their 16:15 departure that arrives 09:35

correct:
CO 84 leaves EWR at 4.05 pm arr TLV at 9.35am
CO 90 leaves EWR at 10.50pm arr TLV at 4.15pm


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

NYC is the largest market for Israel. Not only is there a large and largely middle class Jewish population but Israel is a top tourist destination for Christians of which there is a substantial population in the US that travels. And of course there is also a Muslim travel base as well.

There are a few other gateway cities for Israel outside of NYC but the market is perhaps more heavily concentrated in NYC than any comparably sized market.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3222 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
NYC is the largest market for Israel.

Add Northern New Jersey which has half a million Jewish residents.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3198 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
NYC is the largest market for Israel.

Add Northern New Jersey which has half a million Jewish residents.

SInce CO calls its EWR hub NYC, that seemed to be a given.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3184 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
SInce CO calls its EWR hub NYC, that seemed to be a given.

I know I was trying to show how big the demographic really is, besides the obvious Jewish concentrations in NYC there are huge bastions of Jewish Americans in Northern New Jersey, Rockland County, Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk Counties NY and Fairfield County Connecticut. Even Bucks County PA which is only an hours drive from EWR can include their large Jewish population into the catchment area.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
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