LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 3 Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3283 times:
On any given weekday, there are X flights from Tel Aviv to New York and back. Here's a weekday schedule of those flights:
Tel Aviv to New York (by departure time in Tel Aviv)
12:05 AM, El Al to Newark (4x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
12:40 AM, Delta Airlines to JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
1:00 AM, El Al to JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 747-400
10:40 AM, El Al to JFK (5x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
11:40 AM, Continental Airlines to Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
11:50 PM, Continental Airlines to Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
New York to Tel Aviv (by departure time in New York)
8:05 AM, El Al from Newark (4x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
9:35 AM, Continental from Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
1:20 PM, El Al from JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 747-400
2:20 PM, Delta from JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
4:15 PM, Continental from Newark (7x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
5:15 PM, El Al from JFK (5x Weekly) - Boeing 747-400
That's 35 weekly flights between Tel Aviv and Delta in each direction.
Is there really room for 10,000 per week that fly between New York and Tel Aviv?
I'm not even counting other flights to North America such as U.S. Airways to Philadelphia, Air Canada and El Al to Toronto, and El Al to Los Angeles.
Obviously there is room for this because if there wasn't they wouldn't have so many flights...
This isn't really a question, I just want to open a discussion about it and hear what people think about this route, and if 35 weekly flights is justified.
Jfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
Well EL AL usually flies 4 Daily and not 2 Daily to JFK.
All the planes are always fully booked and you could check that all the carriers apply a much more expensive premium on this economy class booking then on other flights with similar range.
NYC-TLV is not a point where people connect to Tel Aviv 95% of passangers between the two cities are based in NYC.
As for the other airlines they are working off of connecting passangers in the USA.
This is a very big route in the United States with around 4 Million people flying back and forth from the USA to Israel and vice a versa.
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1096 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3076 times:
Quoting LY772 (Thread starter): 2:20 PM, Delta from JFK (6x Weekly) - Boeing 777-200
You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55
Daviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 432 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
I travel on this route at least once each year. In the past few years, I have used LY on their 777 service from EWR. However, when I made the reservation for my next travel on 6/29, LY was simply too expensive (perhaps the fares have since come down), so I chose the LH 747 service from EWR to TLV via FRA, which was one-half the cost. It will be my first trip on LH. By the way, every LY nonstop that I have been on was completely full, so there must be a big demand for these flights.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9201 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4): You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55
Delta.com still shows a 1420 departure time.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1096 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
Quoting Mayor (Reply 6): Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
You sure this is correct? I thought (june) the Dept time was 19:55
Delta.com still shows a 1420 departure time.
Maybe we are talking two different things here. I could be confused.
I thought the thread stated DL JFK-TLV departed JFK at 2:20pm.
and Flight 86 Departs JFK 1955 and arrives TLV 2:25pm.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9201 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
Sorry....you are correct....I read it wrong, too......DL 86 departs at 1950 and arrives at 1420, next day......
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1096 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2638 times:
Also, I don't believe CO has a early am dept out of EWR. They have a flight that leaves at 22:50 and arrives 16:15. along with their 16:15 departure that arrives 09:35
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2532 times:
NYC is the largest market for Israel. Not only is there a large and largely middle class Jewish population but Israel is a top tourist destination for Christians of which there is a substantial population in the US that travels. And of course there is also a Muslim travel base as well.
There are a few other gateway cities for Israel outside of NYC but the market is perhaps more heavily concentrated in NYC than any comparably sized market.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2264 times:
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14): SInce CO calls its EWR hub NYC, that seemed to be a given.
I know I was trying to show how big the demographic really is, besides the obvious Jewish concentrations in NYC there are huge bastions of Jewish Americans in Northern New Jersey, Rockland County, Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk Counties NY and Fairfield County Connecticut. Even Bucks County PA which is only an hours drive from EWR can include their large Jewish population into the catchment area.
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