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NW Flies JFK-FCO?  
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Listening to JFK tower last nite, i heard a NW heavy callsign. I see that it was an A330 flying to Rome. This seems a lil odd to me,at least for NW.


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Delta flight operated by Northwest.

Alot of this going on with the merger and rightsizing routes with plane capacities.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Well, since JFK is now a DL int'l gateway hub, I would imagine that this is likely one of the swaps a la NW 744's ex ATL on ATL-NRT and ATL-HNL routes.

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

I believe DL flies JFK-FCO, was this a substitution for a different aircraft on that route?


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Delta.com shows it as DL848, operated by NW...an A330-300. You'll probably see alot of this going on....probably moreso using NW metal on DL routes than the other way around, but who knows.


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4863 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 4):
Delta.com shows it as DL848, operated by NW...an A330-300. You'll probably see alot of this going on....probably moreso using NW metal on DL routes than the other way around, but who knows.

It actually seems to be pretty even. DL 767 swapping for NW A330s on routes where the A330s were a little too large, and vice versa.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3181 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4784 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 5):
It actually seems to be pretty even. DL 767 swapping for NW A330s on routes where the A330s were a little too large, and vice versa.

From/to AMS:

PDX: was NW 330, is: DL 767
BOM: was NW 330, is DL 767
EWR: was NW 757, is DL 767

ATL: was NW 767, is NW 330

On AMS-JFK, DL flew a 763. Now, KL flies a 777 and 747, NW a 757.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4648 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 3):
I believe DL flies JFK-FCO, was this a substitution for a different aircraft on that route?

No. This is scheduled, not a one-off.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

ATL, DTW, and JFK are all flown by NW on 333s.

The 333 is ideal for high capacity, heavilyy leisure type routes given that the 333 has a fairly low percentage of J seats - about the same number of J seats on the nearly 300 seat 333 as DL has on the 215 seat 763ER.


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4519 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
BOM: was NW 330, is DL 767

Quite a downgrade if you ask me though I do not know if there is a big difference in the IFE.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4492 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
From/to AMS:

PDX: was NW 330, is: DL 767
BOM: was NW 330, is DL 767
EWR: was NW 757, is DL 767

Great..., not to many happy faces at AMS then... Swapping a modern 330 for an ancient 767.... wouldn't like it. NW at least has decent AVOD in Y.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Spare us the drama on the characterizations of ancient and modern based solely on the presence or absence of insight IFE. Ancient would be if DL passengers on the 767 had to sit on wooden crates.

To further add confusion to the DL/NW codesharing, JFK-NRT is starting but will be flown by DL crews on a DL 777 yet with NW as the primary carrier (so DL is codesharing on its own equipment) because NW has unlimited authority to fly between the US and Japan.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4263 times:
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JFK-FCO will still be served by DL equipment (763ER) on a 4x weekly service this summer - DL168 on the outbound and DL 169 on the return (i.e., in addition to the daily A333 as being discussed). This will be the only DL-operated/crewed flight to FCO this summer as all the other services are being operated by NW equipment.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4256 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 12):
JFK-FCO will still be served by DL equipment (763ER) on a 4x weekly service this summer - DL168 on the outbound and DL 169 on the return (i.e., in addition to the daily A333 as being discussed). This will be the only DL-operated/crewed flight to FCO this summer as all the other services are being operated by NW equipment.

So, this means on some days there will be 2 flights JFK-FCO??



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4201 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 13):
So, this means on some days there will be 2 flights JFK-FCO??

Yes, I believe the A330 flight is a new frequency (848/849) that will operate daily, and some days will be the only flight that operates.

I was looking to use some DL passes for a JFK-FCO jaunt this past week, once an unthinkable route to score with S4B priority, and was pleasantly surprised to find fairly light loads. Even this early in the season, FCO was usually a no-go... the nonrev strategy was to go JFK-PSA and take the train, which was generally successful and even predictable.

Unfortunately, since the flight is now NW-operated, it's no dice... oh well, guess I'll have to wait a year or two for a more complete integration!


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
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Quoting Mayor (Reply 13):
So, this means on some days there will be 2 flights JFK-FCO??

Yes. During past summers, there were always two daily 763ER JFK-FCO flights. Now that they have replaced the first with a larger aircraft, the second flight is being cut to 4x weekly.

Total seats @2 763ERs daily: 3,024 a week
Total seats with 1 daily A333 and 4x weekly 763ER: 2,950 a week


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12263 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4005 times:
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Quoting United_fan (Thread starter):
i heard a NW heavy callsign

Just out of curiosity, what is the callsign? If it's DL848, it is codeshared as NW5848...what do they call themselves on ATC?

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):
Unfortunately, since the flight is now NW-operated, it's no dice... oh well, guess I'll have to wait a year or two for a more complete integration!

Actually, if it is a DL coded flight, it is treated just as any other flight by a DL regional. I was listed on DL800 last week (ended up not going), and it was listed as "Operated by Northwest Airlines - A Delta Connection Carrier"  Silly



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User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3969 times:
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All the cross fleeted flights get coded in ATC as the normal flight number and the operating carrier. For example, DL848 uses the call sign Northwest 848, NW768 uses the call sign Delta 768. For reservation purposes they have codeshare numbers, but these are just used internally.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3884 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 16):
Actually, if it is a DL coded flight, it is treated just as any other flight by a DL regional. I was listed on DL800 last week (ended up not going), and it was listed as "Operated by Northwest Airlines - A Delta Connection Carrier"

DL 803 ATLHNL shows on Delta.com and on DL's Flightline (automated flight information (on-time) system) as operated by NW, a Delta connection carrier.

As for passes, there is no Delta connection pass policy; there is a pass policy between each airline - thus DL and ASA, DL and Mesaba etc. Interlilne pass policy between DL and other non-regional (major) carriers has not been unified either


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3266 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 16):
Quoting United_fan (Thread starter):
i heard a NW heavy callsign

Just out of curiosity, what is the callsign? If it's DL848, it is codeshared as NW5848...what do they call themselves on ATC

It was NW.That's what made me look it up. There's obviously a lot of DL heavies on JFK tower.



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User currently offlineENCRJ From Italy, joined Nov 2004, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
ATL: was NW 767, is NW 330

I assume you meant DL 767


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

are you guys sure you're not talking about the DTW-FCO flight?

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3045 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 21):
are you guys sure you're not talking about the DTW-FCO flight?



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 8):
ATL, DTW, and JFK are all flown by NW on 333s.

To clarify, ATLFCO, DTWFCO, and JFKFCO are all flown by NW on 333s.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8456 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2996 times:
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Using A333 to Rome is a great adjustment for the summer tourist season. In the winter they may go to EZE or GRU, since this is the first year of the merger we will have to wait and see.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2974 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 10):
Great..., not to many happy faces at AMS then... Swapping a modern 330 for an ancient 767.... wouldn't like it. NW at least has decent AVOD in Y.

I bet most people don't care.......remind me on aircarft before 777/330/340/744 how many of the L10,D10,741,742,707,DC8 had PTVs? You can live with out it.  Wink

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 11):
To further add confusion to the DL/NW codesharing, JFK-NRT is starting but will be flown by DL crews on a DL 777 yet with NW as the primary carrier (so DL is codesharing on its own equipment) because NW has unlimited authority to fly between the US and Japan.

right. NW and UA can start any route from Japan to the US that they want as long as they have the slots. DL,CO,AA all have a pool of weekly flights that they have to ask for. (plus they have to get slots)

Quoting Panamair (Reply 12):
JFK-FCO will still be served by DL equipment (763ER) on a 4x weekly service this summer - DL168 on the outbound and DL 169 on the return (i.e., in addition to the daily A333 as being discussed). This will be the only DL-operated/crewed flight to FCO this summer as all the other services are being operated by NW equipment.

did ATL-FCO ever get 2x daily? I can't rememeber. also did MXP get 2x daily from anywhere?

Quoting Mayor (Reply 13):
So, this means on some days there will be 2 flights JFK-FCO??

yes.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 18):
As for passes, there is no Delta connection pass policy; there is a pass policy between each airline - thus DL and ASA, DL and Mesaba etc. Interlilne pass policy between DL and other non-regional (major) carriers has not been unified either

Right some are pretty good (OO,EV,OH) and some suck (Freedom,S5)

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 23):
In the winter they may go to EZE or GRU, since this is the first year of the merger we will have to wait and see.

Not from JFK. Though GRU is getting upgraded to 764 IIRC



yep.
25 OOer : In the summer DL had: CVG-FCO 767-400 Daily JFK-FCO 767-300 2XDaily ATL-FCO 767-400 Daily ATL-FCO 767-300 Daily CVG was later downgraded to a 767-300
26 Super80 : It is just one of the many Cross-Fleeting flight. They are not codeshare flights but simply a DL Flight opt by NWA. Just like all other DL Connection
27 RJpieces : So besides JFK-FCO and JFK-AMS, is NW metal operating any other international flights out of JFK?
28 OA412 : If memory serves, ATL-FCO has always been served just once daily. Also, I don't recall anytime where either JFK or ATL-MXP were served more than once
29 DeltaL1011man : Nope. But it was IIRC a 764 also IIRC ATL-MXP was ran on the 764.
30 Azjubilee : Regarding the call signs for the cross fleeting... the ATC call sign for the flight will reflect the OPERATOR of the flight. For example, MSP-CDG is N
31 DeltaCTO : YES - plz no more IFE debates
32 SXDFC : I also heard somewhere that the A333 was supposed to fly to ATH as well? I am surprised to see the 333 has the legs to do the JFK-FCO flights.
33 Bobnwa : Why would that surprise you, when NWA purposely bought them to fly from DTW and MSP to anywhere in Europe.
34 SXDFC : I made a mistake, I read that it couldn't do JFK-ATH - not JFK-FCO, that's what someone said in one other post a while back, I could be wrong...
35 DeltAirlines : Even ATL-ATH should be doable on an A330-300 at 5700 miles. JFK-FCO is nothing - I did ATL-FCO on the A330 last month, and the return flight clocked
36 Panamair : Actually, for the past few summers. ATL-FCO was 2x daily - DL 70 and DL 76. That was the plan but they pulled it as this summer's demand is not as hi
37 LIPZ : 1st DL's double daily service from Atlanta to Rome had been introduced in Summer '05.
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