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In Flight Services! What Is The Cost?  
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

I want to know exactly what you get out of a ticket when you buy it. A lot of talk has focused on in flight services and how some airlines overcharge for awful food. But some say an airline is for transportation and not whether they serve food. Some counter that by saying In flight services are a part of the flying experience.

What I want to know is, do we pay for in flight services? I never bought a ticket and saw a portion of it go to in flight services, but I know at least some of that money goes to those little cans of soda and pretzels. If we can calculate how much of our money goes to IFS, could we demand more from an airline. I personally would hate to know that at least 15% of my ticket goes to soda and sandwiches and I still have to pay for it after I take off. And could we get rid of the naysayers who say that an airline is solely for transport and nothing more.

Also for the F/A's out there, do you hate charging money for food? or does it not matter.


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User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

So we know, are you referring specifically to economy tickets, or across-the-board? I'm assuming economy.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
What I want to know is, do we pay for in flight services?

From everything I've heard, when we purchase the low-cost economy tickets, we're not even covering what the flight costs the airline...I believe the F/J class cabins subsidize Y, at least to some extent. Feel free to correct me on this one, I'm not sure of the accuracy.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
but I know at least some of that money goes to those little cans of soda and pretzels.

When service is that basic, it's pretty negligible - when purchasing in bulk, as an airline does, I doubt you're looking at more than 50 cents per passenger.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
And could we get rid of the naysayers who say that an airline is solely for transport and nothing more.

Unfortunately for those who value service, the majority of economy travelers would rather see rock-bottom prices. And as far as food goes, I agree with them. I always eat before boarding - there's a heck of a lot more food options at the airport than there ever were on the plane, even back before in-flight service consisted of more than a cookie.

[Edited 2009-06-04 22:50:19]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3449 times:



Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 1):

From everything I've heard, when we purchase the low-cost economy tickets, we're not even covering what the flight costs the airline...I believe the F/J class cabins subsidize Y, at least to some extent. Feel free to correct me on this one, I'm not sure of the accuracy.

This always strains my credulity. Why would you have a Y-class cabin if you never make money off it? I understand that some of the more expensive seats in Y subsidize some of the cheaper fares (because it's better to recoup half the CASM than none of it) but if you don't make money off Y, then don't offer Y.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

If you want to look at what your ticket really pays for, it's a lot more than just the fuel, crew, and the food onboard. Your fare also need to cover: Landing fees, Air traffic fees if flying over a foreign country, Gate rental, Ticket counter rental, Ground crew personnel, Aircraft insurance, Aircraft lease or financing cost, Aircraft maintenance personnel & equipment, Recurrent maintenance and overhauls on the aircraft & engines, Building rent on corporate offices, Insurance on corporate offices, Operations personnel (dispatch, scheduling, training), Management personnel, Benefits (insurance, retirement) for operations & corporate personnel, Advertising, Consumables (newspapers, magazines, pillows, blankets, uniforms, and fuel for ground equipment), Simulator rental, Hotels for crew on layovers, Reservation agents, Phone & computer equipment for the entire company, Website hosting, design, and IT personnel, and on... and on... and on...

If you really want to know the cost of flying you from point A to point B, you have to factor in all of these things too. Your meal (assuming you get one in coach) may cost the airline somewhere between $4 and $9, not including beverages. Sure, you paid $300 to fly across the United States, and feel that too much of that ticket price goes for bad food. But not really. What the ticket is paying for - in addition to getting your carcass from JFK to LAX - is all the things I listed above, without which, there wouldn't be an airplane for you to ride in the first place.

HAL



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