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Long Haul Services From Eastern Europe...  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3001 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

I was interested to know what direct long haul services still remain from countries in Eastern Europe...

Over the last few years services I noticed the number of long haul services from Eastern Europe seems to have dwindled, especially with the likes Malev, JAT and Tarom withdrawing their long haul services. There has also been rumours for the last few years the likes of LOT and Czech Airlines, may withdraw from these markets too... Many of these countries seemed to have become reliant on codeshare agreements or airlines from the big Western European airlines to connefct through to fulfill their travel arrangements.

Reason why I ask this was, I was reading Airways Magazine and in an articles about Hianan Airlines, I was surprised to read they fly an A340-600 non-stop between Budapest and Beijing...

I am surprised the Middle Eastern airlines have not looked at exploiting these markets to provide connections to the Asia, Africa and Australia. These countries should be within the range of an A320 or 737 type aircraft.

Notes
When referring to countries in Eastern Europe, I am referring to the likes of Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, FYR's, Albania and Greece

[Edited 2009-06-05 09:43:17]

46 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

well, doesnt Etihad fly from Abu Dhabi to Minsk?
And I guess QR will soon announce new european destinations. I wouldn't be surprised if a eastern european city will be announced.



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User currently offlineWeirdLinguist From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

OK still flies to JFK and MIA (I think) using with the a310

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

Aerosvit Airlines offers a few long haul services, such as India, China and the US.


seemyseems
User currently offlineYirina77 From Czech Republic, joined Aug 2006, 632 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7467 times:



Quoting WeirdLinguist (Reply 2):
OK still flies to JFK and MIA (I think) using with the a310

OK flies to JFK (whole year) and YYZ (only during summer). Flights to MIA have never been realized.



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Here is what I can tell you, and this information is based on the May version of Airline Route Mapper, so some of it might be wrong.

PRG-JFK OK 310
PRG-YYZ OK 310
PRG-ATL DL 763
PRG-ICN KE 772

BUD-JFK DL 763
BUD-PEK HU 763

WAW-JFK LO 763
WAW-EWR LO 763
WAW-ORD LO 763
WAW-YYZ LO 763
WAW-YYZ AC 763

KRK-ORD LO 763

I personally don't consider Greece to really be Eastern Europe, I would say its more Southern Europe, but because you included it in your list . . .

ATH-JFK OA 343
ATH-JFK DL 763
ATH-EWR CO 762
ATH-PHL US 762
ATH-YUL OA 343
ATH-YUL TS 330
ATH-YYZ TS 330
ATH-JNB OA 343
ATH-BKK TG 772
ATH-SIN SQ 772


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2787 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7381 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 5):
ATH-EWR CO 762

The CO seasonal service to ATH started in May with a 762 and is now a 764 for the rest of the summer.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7258 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I am surprised the Middle Eastern airlines have not looked at exploiting these markets to provide connections to the Asia, Africa and Australia. These countries should be within the range of an A320 or 737 type aircraft

You make a good point - Eastern Europe does look underserved by Middle Eastern carriers (come to think, I can't think of any flying to the countries you listed - well, excluding Greece, which, I agree, is not typically considered a part of Eastern Europe in the first place).

But now is hardly a good time to enter the region - it is arguable one of the most affected by current economic downturn, so competing head-to-head for a dwindling number of eastbound long-haul passengers with Western European majors and the likes of SU, TK and VV hardly sounds like a good idea...


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1405 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Korean and Hainan seem to be pioneers in the Eastern European Market.

Korean fly to Moscow, Prague and St Petersburg.

Hainan fly to Budapest, Kiev(planned), Moscow and St Petersburg.

Regards

Mike


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7159 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 8):
Korean and Hainan seem to be pioneers in the Eastern European Market.

That's partly because their bilaterals with many Western European countries are quite restrictive.


User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7160 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 8):
Hainan fly to Budapest, Kiev(planned), Moscow and St Petersburg.

They fly to Berlin (TXL) as well, which in some cases might be considered Eastern Europe.


User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7024 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 8):
Hainan fly to Budapest, Kiev(planned), Moscow

I believe they are canceling/have canceled their Moscow flights which were a complete flop - most of their own making, though.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7017 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Reason why I ask this was, I was reading Airways Magazine and in an articles about Hianan Airlines, I was surprised to read they fly an A340-600 non-stop between Budapest and Beijing...

That was most likely an aircraft sub, as stated above HU flies an B763 to BUD. They have used their new A330s on that route in the past as well.

Quoting Thestooges (Reply 5):
WAW-YYZ AC 763

Since when? Perhaps AC codeshares the LO's YYZ-WAW route, but AC does not serve WAW with their own metal.

BA, LH and KL/AF offer so many daily connections to BUD/PRG/WAW and OTP from their hubs that its hard to justify long-haul ops for some smaller airlines such as MA. MA ended their long-haul ops because of operational costs in-conjunction with very low load factors during the winter.

KrisYYZ



KrisYYZ


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6984 times:



Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 12):
Quoting Thestooges (Reply 5):
WAW-YYZ AC 763

Since when? Perhaps AC codeshares the LO's YYZ-WAW route, but AC does not serve WAW with their own metal.

Yes it's a codeshare on the LO-operated flight.


User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6941 times:

there was some talk about Hainan purchasing operations of now bankrupt FLYlal, but apparently it did not become reality.

didn't know Ethiad is flying to Minsk. Of all EE locations, why on Earth Minsk?


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting Borism (Reply 14):

It's a niche market, I guess?
Frequency and capacity is extremely low.


User currently offlineCyba From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

DL flies JFK-OTP 4x weekly. Seasonal service only

User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

From DME

TG DME-BKK B772
UN DME-BKK B772
UN DME-DSP B744
UN DME-YYZ B763
UN DME-YUL B763
UN DME-HKT B772
EK DME-DXB A332/B773
SQ DME-DXB B772
SQ DME-SIN B772/77W
SQ DME-IAH B77S (still existing?)
UA DME-IAD B763
AA DME-ORD B763
QR DME-DOH A320
EY DME-AUH A320
JL DME-NRT B772
VN DME-HAN B772
VN DME-SGN B772

Tried to get some info regarding SVO as well, but I can't understand Russian
 Wink



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User currently offlineMashimaro1 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6594 times:



Quoting Borism (Reply 14):
didn't know Ethiad is flying to Minsk. Of all EE locations, why on Earth Minsk?

I thoguht it had to do with one of the royal family marrying a Belorussian or something but I'm probably wrong.


User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6581 times:

I gu

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 17):
Tried to get some info regarding SVO as well, but I can't understand Russian

I guess Aeroflot have a lot of intercontinental routes out of Moscow (SVO) and possibly St.Petersburg (LED).

Maybe look at: www.aeroflot.com

Is it still an American service out of Riga (RIX) with Uzbekistan Airlines or something....?? Think they used to fly Tashkent-Riga-JFK/ORD in the past!


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1395 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Speaking about the long haul flights from Russia:

LED-ICN: KE 333 seasonal
LED-PEK: FV 763
LED-PEK: HU 763
LED-TLV: FV 763/320

SVO-BKK: SU IL9
SVO-PEK: SU 763
SVO-DEL: SU IL9
SVO-DXB: SU 320
SVO-HAN: SU 763
SVO-HAV: SU 330
SVO-HKG: SU 763
SVO-LAX: SU 763
SVO-LAD: SU 763
SVO-JFK: SU 763
SVO-ICN: SU 763
SVO-PVG: SU 332
SVO-IKA: SU 320
SVO-NRT: SU 332
SVO-ULN: SU 763
SVO-IAD: SU 763

SVO-ATL: DL 763
SVO-ICN: KE 772
SVO-JFK: DL 764
SVO-PEK: CA 777
SVO-PEK: HU 34x
SVO-ULN: OM 310
SVO-KBL (Via GYD): FG 310 <- definately the most exotic
SVO-IKA: IR ??

DME-ORD: AA 763
DME-NRT: JL 772
DME-SIN: SQ 77W
DME-IAH: SQ 77W
DME-BKK: TG 77E
DME-BKK: UN 772
DME-DPS: UN 744
DME-SEZ: UN 744 seasonal
DME-YUL: UN 763 seasonal
DME-HKT: UN 772
DME-PUJ: UN 744
DME-SYX: UN 763 seasonal
DME-YYZ: UN 762/763 seasonal
DME-IAD: UA 763
DME-HAN: VN 77E
DME-SGN: VN 77E
DME-SYX: MU 34x

VKO-SEZ: HM 762

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I am surprised the Middle Eastern airlines have not looked at exploiting these markets to provide connections to the Asia, Africa and Australia. These countries should be within the range of an A320 or 737 type aircraft.

Flights to Turkey and some other northern african markets (Egypt, Tunesia) are very low yield markets from Russia, there are really probably more than 20 airlines flying to these destinations.
Middle Eastern airlines flying to Russia which come into my mind: (about aircraft i'm not very sure, so please don't mind if there's a mistake)

LED-TLV: LY 738
LED-IST: TK 738
LED-AYT: TK 738

DME-CAI: MS 320
DME-TLV: LY 738/772
DME-AUH: EY 320
DME-DXB: EK 773/332
DME-DOH: QR 320
DME-AMM: RJ 320
SVO-IST: TK 320
KZN-IST: TK 320/734
SVX-IST: TK 320
ROV-IST: TK 734
UFA-IST: TK 319

And of course there are the long haul flights from western Russia (LED, MOW) to the Russian far east (VVO, PKC etc)



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6452 times:



Quoting Vadheim (Reply 19):
Is it still an American service out of Riga (RIX) with Uzbekistan Airlines or something....?? Think they used to fly Tashkent-Riga-JFK/ORD in the past!

Yes they still do, it's with a 767-300ER, and goes to New York.

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 3):
Aerosvit Airlines offers a few long haul services, such as India, China and the US.

They serve:

KBP-JFK
KBP-YYZ
KBP-BKK
KBP-PEK
KBP-DEL

Delta also operate:

JFK-KBP

Quoting Airmale (Reply 1):
well, doesnt Etihad fly from Abu Dhabi to Minsk?

This isn't really a longhaul service though, it's 'only' 2454 miles. EY also serve KBP, and several Ukrainian carriers offer 737 flights from KBP to the Emirates.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1395 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6220 times:



Quoting Mashimaro1 (Reply 18):
I thoguht it had to do with one of the royal family marrying a Belorussian or something but I'm probably wrong.

You're not wrong, according to the daily mail at least: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...eikh-married-10-week-waitress.html  Smile



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7107 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6097 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 3):
Aerosvit Airlines offers a few long haul services, such as India, China and the US.

Without a doubt the worst airline I have ever has the misfortune to fly.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6025 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Without a doubt the worst airline I have ever has the misfortune to fly.

Because of the customer service, and in flight ordeals? There was one person at KBP who spoke English, and she was fantastic and really helpful, the rest were moody and useless. One of my flights was assigned a 14 hour 'schedule change' (delay) with just 24 hours notice, whilst another one was even better - they knew the flight was going, but they (AeroSvit) didn't know which airport it was leaving from...  banghead 



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25 Connector4you : Surprising indeed, but so far world alliances failed to see the potential economic benefit of operating some long haul out of Eastern European hubs. C
26 KiwiRob : All of the above plus the terrible meal, the horrible 737-200, the smell, the uncomfortable seat, the missing baggage.
27 PlymSpotter : Admittedly I didn't have missing baggage, but I flew their 732 and found it to be a pleasant flight with no problems. Maybe because my previous fligh
28 WROORD : I was in WAW last week and saw a huge banner in their new terminal 2 advertising emirates WAW- Dubai, not sure if it is coming soon. Also there was a
29 Borism : I think that's something that KE is doing with PRG-ICN, or what was the rationale behind Hainan's interest in FLYlal. Or the role that Finnair plays.
30 Addd : Are you sure it was Emirates? This is the first time I hear any reference to WAW in relation to EK, and I can not find any references online... again
31 Post contains links WROORD : Yes, I am quite positive. Emirates has been talking about WAW-DXB for some time now - there was a lengthy interview on Polish site www.pasazer.com In
32 Severnaya : Well i think there simply does not exist such a demand for many long haul flights out of EE, otherwise why wouldn't there be more flights already? Th
33 WROORD : Yes, you're right there are 27 states in EU all except Poland with negative growth and when you add the price of fuel going up, swine flu pandemic no
34 Connector4you : Yeah it seems that Korean already started a first ever experiment of this nature relying on SkyTeam partner CSA for breaking up their "heavy load" re
35 UN_B732 : I have to kind of agree with your comments about Aerosvit - I can't say they're horrid, but definitely the most mediocre airline I've flown. On SVO-KB
36 LACA773 : What will happen to MA? Will they ever fly longhaul again? How does DL do on JFK-BUD? Is there any chance MA will merge with a Western European carrie
37 DAL763ER : I flew this route back in November BUD-JFK-BUD and it was full both times. I asked a friend who went on 99/98 last week and he also said it's full. D
38 Antonovman : Thats one of the old PanAm routes, they used to connect at the FRA hub at one time
39 RayChuang : I'm disappointed that there are so relatively few long-range flights out of LED to eastern Asia or the USA. Or is it that flights to LED are more reli
40 Thorben : Greece? Hardly Eastern Europe. One should rather include Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. ! W H A T ? ! Yes they do. Three weekly with an A31
41 IliriBDL : Scanderbeg Air (charter) is doing JFK-PRN and JFK-TIA, starting this Sunday I believe. I saw the plane at Terminal 1 at JFK, yesterday, as you enter t
42 Mke717spotter : LO also does EWR-KRK and EWR/JFK-RZE.
43 Adriaticflight : Well Berlin used to be 'inside' the eastern Bloc, so it could be considered 'eastern' europe. Greece is geographically eastern europe of course. Mayb
44 FatmirJusufi : The first Scanderbeg Air flight 721 has almost done its first flight JFK - PRN. Fatmir
45 KrisYYZ : Reinstating long-haul ops isn't even on the radar at this point. MA is having major difficulty making their intra-european network profitable. I pers
46 Addd : In short - yes. LED in general tends to be a low-yield (and highly seasonal) international market dominated by leisure traffic.
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