Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2967 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7206 times:
I was interested to know what direct long haul services still remain from countries in Eastern Europe...
Over the last few years services I noticed the number of long haul services from Eastern Europe seems to have dwindled, especially with the likes Malev, JAT and Tarom withdrawing their long haul services. There has also been rumours for the last few years the likes of LOT and Czech Airlines, may withdraw from these markets too... Many of these countries seemed to have become reliant on codeshare agreements or airlines from the big Western European airlines to connefct through to fulfill their travel arrangements.
Reason why I ask this was, I was reading Airways Magazine and in an articles about Hianan Airlines, I was surprised to read they fly an A340-600 non-stop between Budapest and Beijing...
I am surprised the Middle Eastern airlines have not looked at exploiting these markets to provide connections to the Asia, Africa and Australia. These countries should be within the range of an A320 or 737 type aircraft.
When referring to countries in Eastern Europe, I am referring to the likes of Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, FYR's, Albania and Greece
Addd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6865 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter): I am surprised the Middle Eastern airlines have not looked at exploiting these markets to provide connections to the Asia, Africa and Australia. These countries should be within the range of an A320 or 737 type aircraft
You make a good point - Eastern Europe does look underserved by Middle Eastern carriers (come to think, I can't think of any flying to the countries you listed - well, excluding Greece, which, I agree, is not typically considered a part of Eastern Europe in the first place).
But now is hardly a good time to enter the region - it is arguable one of the most affected by current economic downturn, so competing head-to-head for a dwindling number of eastbound long-haul passengers with Western European majors and the likes of SU, TK and VV hardly sounds like a good idea...
KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6624 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter): Reason why I ask this was, I was reading Airways Magazine and in an articles about Hianan Airlines, I was surprised to read they fly an A340-600 non-stop between Budapest and Beijing...
That was most likely an aircraft sub, as stated above HU flies an B763 to BUD. They have used their new A330s on that route in the past as well.
Since when? Perhaps AC codeshares the LO's YYZ-WAW route, but AC does not serve WAW with their own metal.
BA, LH and KL/AF offer so many daily connections to BUD/PRG/WAW and OTP from their hubs that its hard to justify long-haul ops for some smaller airlines such as MA. MA ended their long-haul ops because of operational costs in-conjunction with very low load factors during the winter.
Severnaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6125 times:
Speaking about the long haul flights from Russia:
LED-ICN: KE 333 seasonal
LED-PEK: FV 763
LED-PEK: HU 763
LED-TLV: FV 763/320
SVO-BKK: SU IL9
SVO-PEK: SU 763
SVO-DEL: SU IL9
SVO-DXB: SU 320
SVO-HAN: SU 763
SVO-HAV: SU 330
SVO-HKG: SU 763
SVO-LAX: SU 763
SVO-LAD: SU 763
SVO-JFK: SU 763
SVO-ICN: SU 763
SVO-PVG: SU 332
SVO-IKA: SU 320
SVO-NRT: SU 332
SVO-ULN: SU 763
SVO-IAD: SU 763
SVO-ATL: DL 763
SVO-ICN: KE 772
SVO-JFK: DL 764
SVO-PEK: CA 777
SVO-PEK: HU 34x
SVO-ULN: OM 310
SVO-KBL (Via GYD): FG 310 <- definately the most exotic
SVO-IKA: IR ??
DME-ORD: AA 763
DME-NRT: JL 772
DME-SIN: SQ 77W
DME-IAH: SQ 77W
DME-BKK: TG 77E
DME-BKK: UN 772
DME-DPS: UN 744
DME-SEZ: UN 744 seasonal
DME-YUL: UN 763 seasonal
DME-HKT: UN 772
DME-PUJ: UN 744
DME-SYX: UN 763 seasonal
DME-YYZ: UN 762/763 seasonal
DME-IAD: UA 763
DME-HAN: VN 77E
DME-SGN: VN 77E
DME-SYX: MU 34x
VKO-SEZ: HM 762
Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter): I am surprised the Middle Eastern airlines have not looked at exploiting these markets to provide connections to the Asia, Africa and Australia. These countries should be within the range of an A320 or 737 type aircraft.
Flights to Turkey and some other northern african markets (Egypt, Tunesia) are very low yield markets from Russia, there are really probably more than 20 airlines flying to these destinations.
Middle Eastern airlines flying to Russia which come into my mind: (about aircraft i'm not very sure, so please don't mind if there's a mistake)
LED-TLV: LY 738
LED-IST: TK 738
LED-AYT: TK 738
DME-CAI: MS 320
DME-TLV: LY 738/772
DME-AUH: EY 320
DME-DXB: EK 773/332
DME-DOH: QR 320
DME-AMM: RJ 320
SVO-IST: TK 320
KZN-IST: TK 320/734
SVX-IST: TK 320
ROV-IST: TK 734
UFA-IST: TK 319
And of course there are the long haul flights from western Russia (LED, MOW) to the Russian far east (VVO, PKC etc)
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11514 posts, RR: 62 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5632 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23): Without a doubt the worst airline I have ever has the misfortune to fly.
Because of the customer service, and in flight ordeals? There was one person at KBP who spoke English, and she was fantastic and really helpful, the rest were moody and useless. One of my flights was assigned a 14 hour 'schedule change' (delay) with just 24 hours notice, whilst another one was even better - they knew the flight was going, but they (AeroSvit) didn't know which airport it was leaving from...
...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
25 Connector4you: Surprising indeed, but so far world alliances failed to see the potential economic benefit of operating some long haul out of Eastern European hubs. C
26 KiwiRob: All of the above plus the terrible meal, the horrible 737-200, the smell, the uncomfortable seat, the missing baggage.
27 PlymSpotter: Admittedly I didn't have missing baggage, but I flew their 732 and found it to be a pleasant flight with no problems. Maybe because my previous fligh
28 WROORD: I was in WAW last week and saw a huge banner in their new terminal 2 advertising emirates WAW- Dubai, not sure if it is coming soon. Also there was a
29 Borism: I think that's something that KE is doing with PRG-ICN, or what was the rationale behind Hainan's interest in FLYlal. Or the role that Finnair plays.
30 Addd: Are you sure it was Emirates? This is the first time I hear any reference to WAW in relation to EK, and I can not find any references online... again
31 WROORD: Yes, I am quite positive. Emirates has been talking about WAW-DXB for some time now - there was a lengthy interview on Polish site www.pasazer.com In
32 Severnaya: Well i think there simply does not exist such a demand for many long haul flights out of EE, otherwise why wouldn't there be more flights already? Th
33 WROORD: Yes, you're right there are 27 states in EU all except Poland with negative growth and when you add the price of fuel going up, swine flu pandemic no
34 Connector4you: Yeah it seems that Korean already started a first ever experiment of this nature relying on SkyTeam partner CSA for breaking up their "heavy load" re
35 UN_B732: I have to kind of agree with your comments about Aerosvit - I can't say they're horrid, but definitely the most mediocre airline I've flown. On SVO-KB
36 LACA773: What will happen to MA? Will they ever fly longhaul again? How does DL do on JFK-BUD? Is there any chance MA will merge with a Western European carrie
37 DAL763ER: I flew this route back in November BUD-JFK-BUD and it was full both times. I asked a friend who went on 99/98 last week and he also said it's full. D
38 Antonovman: Thats one of the old PanAm routes, they used to connect at the FRA hub at one time
39 RayChuang: I'm disappointed that there are so relatively few long-range flights out of LED to eastern Asia or the USA. Or is it that flights to LED are more reli
40 Thorben: Greece? Hardly Eastern Europe. One should rather include Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. ! W H A T ? ! Yes they do. Three weekly with an A31
41 IliriBDL: Scanderbeg Air (charter) is doing JFK-PRN and JFK-TIA, starting this Sunday I believe. I saw the plane at Terminal 1 at JFK, yesterday, as you enter t