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Why Is Air Canada "cheating" Its Customers?  
User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11942 times:

What exactly do I mean by “cheating”?

Five weeks ago, I bought a one way ticket from Vancouver, B.C. (YVR) to London, Ontario (YXU). It was with WestJet Airlines, via Calgary. The total price was $239.05
My final destination was going to be Windsor, Ontario, which is about 200 km away. I chose London, because WestJet flies there and they have convenient flight times. I would depart at 9:30pm from Vancouver, connect in Calgary at 12:45am with an early arrival into London, at 6:10am on Saturday morning. That worked fine!

Now, I wasn’t 100% sure when I would return so that’s the reason I only bought a one way ticket.

About 4 weeks ago I wanted to buy the return (one-way ticket), but this time, I wanted to leave from Windsor, Ontario (YQG) The price was $392.00 Canadian Dollars with Air Canada Jazz, connecting in Toronto, then onto Vancouver, on Air Canada.

The same ticket out of London, Ontario was 209 dollars. So again, Air Canada Jazz to Toronto, then with Air Canada onto Vancouver. Actually it was the same flight from YYZ-YVR regardless of what connecting flight I would take.

This is absurd. Are you telling me that a 200 km difference warrants a fare that is almost double? Of course not, but Air Canada/Air Canada Jazz can do that. Because you see, on the London – Vancouver leg, people have choice. They have WestJet. On the Windsor-Vancouver leg, they have no competition, because customers would be forced to fly only Air Canada to Toronto.

Air Canada doesn’t care about its customers. All it wants to do is make as much profit, completely ignoring the needs of Canadians. Windsor is in a serious economic downfall, with high unemployment and huge problems. Because of the automotive industry’s collapse, that city is in dire need of money… money from tourists like me, who are willing to spend just a little extra to fly there. Air Canada is not helping them at all. It’s disgusting.

This country needs to change its regulations and stop protecting Air Canada. Honestly, I don’t care who I fly as long as they bring me there safe and on a reasonable dime. I think it’s disgusting when I have to pay 900 dollars (return) from YVR to YQG, when I flew to Korea for 800 dollars.

I even wrote them an e-mail, but of course, no response.
Below is a print screen of their website. Notice the price and the price difference between the two cities (on the same date). Yes you might say “well it’s only 4 days away, but sill look above. Even 4 weeks ago a one way ticket from Windsor to Vancouver was 392 dollars.

If any Air Canada staff is reading this, please tell the people who make up these prices. I have the most respect for Mr. Calin Rovinescu who's the new CEO of Air Canada and I would love to write him a letter about this matter.

Air Canada fares from WINDSOR, Ontario to Vancouver, BC (with connection in Toronto YYZ)
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa275/vludusan/AC01.jpg

... and after tax
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa275/vludusan/AC02.jpg

Air Canada fares from LONDON, Ontario to Vancouver, BC (with connection in Toronto YYZ)
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa275/vludusan/AC03.jpg



Edit for spelling

[Edited 2009-06-05 09:52:32]


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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11897 times:

Yes, it does warrant the difference in price. Airlines are a business businesses price their products based on demand. If the market support the price difference so be it. ALL airlines do this and they should. In fact it is not unusuall to see shorter segments charged more or for example something like JKF-DFW charged more than JFK-DFW (same flight as before)-IAH.

User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11839 times:



Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Are you telling me that a 200 km difference warrants a fare that is almost double?

I know what you mean. That's why I fly to BUF instead of YYZ from the US west coast. It is consistently half the cost on pretty much ALL the major carriers, and as the plane flies, that's not even a 200 km difference.. Since I usually have 2 family members traveling with me, it really adds up. An extra hour and a half drive just isn't worth an additional 600 bucks.

But there are many, many more variables than just geographic distance. Competition is one, but not the only one. Speaking of Windsor, I wonder if it's similar to YYZ/BUF...does YQG lose much traffic from travelers crossing the border and flying out of DTW instead?


User currently offlineHeavy747 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11820 times:

If you complain about the price, then maybe you shouldn't have gotten a ticket. I fly Air Canada consistently and I think you are silly for saying that AC does not care about their customers. I really don't know what else to say other then if you don't like what YOU get, then DONT GET IT. If you don't like AC, don't fly them. I find it disgusting that people continue to bash an airline that continues safely transport millions of people a year. I do not work for the airline, but i have flown enough on AC to be able to say that their product, service, hospitality, and EVERYTHING is great! Thank you Air Canada for the hundreds of enjoyable flights i have taken with you.

As to you Vio, don't fly Air Canada if all your going to do is complain complain complain.

Andrew



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4264 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11821 times:

Air Canada is not a charity focussed on supporting Windsor. What you discribe is yield management. Maybe aspects of the Aeroflot role you want Air Canada to have makes it that they haven´t been profitable lately. You would do the same if you were the CEO of Air Canada. Profit made on these flights can sponsor low prices on competitive routes. If you don´t like it, take a bus or rent a car, go walking or start an own airline.
I am on holiday in Canada and think Air Canada´s pricing is reasonable, if you are flexible, take a detour or ride sometimes, you can find very attractive fares here and there.
Thanks to the competition with Westjet, Jazz etc. I fly on Canadian North 737-200 from Yellowknife to Edmonton tomorrow, 100 minutes flying time, full hot meal, for about 110 CAD! If you can save money sometimes due to competition you can spend it on the less competitive tickets you can´t avoid to buy.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8893 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11802 times:
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Isn't that pretty much happening at most airlines? If you check for nearby airports which are smaller that you get a lot better fare.
When I book a trip I always check the surrounding airports or some different connection or even split the flights.
I tried to book: HAM-YHZ, AC gave me a fare of more than €1000 via LHR. Then I checked LHR-YHZ which was only €600 and then I checked BA for the HAM-LHR flight which was €99.

wilco737



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User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11780 times:



Quoting Heavy747 (Reply 3):
As to you Vio, don't fly Air Canada if all your going to do is complain complain complain.

I like flying Air Canada. I'm not bashing the service or their ability to bring me from A to B safely. I'm talking about the high prices. This country needs air transport. This country needs affordable air transport.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9951 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11757 times:

I always wonder where people got the idea that airlines, no matter where they are, are some sort of public utility or public transportation system that doesn't have to turn an actual profit. Public utilities, if they find that they're not making enough money, just apply for a rate increase, which is usually granted. Public transportation works much the same way. Airlines are a business, trying to make as much profit as possible for its shareholders while still maintaining as much service as possible.


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User currently offlineDadoftyler From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 325 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11743 times:



Quoting Vio (Reply 6):
This country needs affordable air transport.

You have it already, Vio. It's called Westjet.

dot


User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11741 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Airlines are a business, trying to make as much profit as possible for its shareholders while still maintaining as much service as possible.

True... but then open up the market for more "fair" competition. Then who should we blame here? Our politicians for not allowing "able" foreign carriers to come and fly domestic Canadian flights?



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11724 times:

Supply and Demand....happens at every airline across the globe.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9951 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11666 times:



Quoting Vio (Reply 9):
True... but then open up the market for more "fair" competition. Then who should we blame here? Our politicians for not allowing "able" foreign carriers to come and fly domestic Canadian flights?

What do you consider "fair"? Vote with your feet and find another way. If you have two similar stores in town but one charges more than the other for its products, which one do you shop with? If it's the one that charges less, then that's how the system works. If it's from the former, out of loyalty, then you have no room to complain about the airlines, either. Airlines got themselves into this mess, with the help of the consumers, by charging less for a seat than it costs to provide it.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2198 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11648 times:

I guess I missed the part in the Canadian Constitution where Canadians have the right to fly anywhere for as cheap as they want. What US carrier in their right mind would want to fly from Windsor - a depressed market to YYZ. They are going to want to fly YYZ to YVR. There is plenty of competition on that route already between WestJet, AC and all the charters. You don't have to fly, there is also bus and rail options from Windsor to Toronto and London.

User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11604 times:

Don't try to figure out how airlines do their pricing. It depends on many factors mainly supply and demand and how well a specific airport is served. Take EWR-IAH for example, A typical ticket price is about $1000 while JFK-IAH or even LGA-IAH is about half that price or even a third of that price sometimes. The difference is that there is just one airline, CO, which flies from EWR to IAH direct. Is CO cheating customers? I don't think so. One more thing, you can buy an EWR-IAH-MEX ticket about half EWR-IAH flight with the same airline. You see, the distance has nothing to do with it.

User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11605 times:

Are some of you here saying what you're saying just for the sake of arguing? Or do you really think it's okay to pay 700 dollars for a one way ticket for a Canadian domestic flight? Wow... am I that unreasonable?

I'm the first to say, a 69 dollar one way flight that JetsGo used to have between YYC and YYZ was stupid. That why they ended up where they are now.... bankrupt... but a little common sense.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11544 times:



Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
This is absurd

Sorry, but what is absurd about it? Airfares throughout the world are based entirely on demand/origin/market, so what is different about your experience? You essentially bought an open-jaw ticket from two widely different markets, and that was entirely your choice so hence I fail to understand why you are putting the 'blame' on the airline.

Quoting Vio (Reply 6):
I'm talking about the high prices. This country needs air transport. This country needs affordable air transport.



Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Air Canada doesn’t care about its customers. All it wants to do is make as much profit, completely ignoring the needs of Canadians. Windsor is in a serious economic downfall, with high unemployment and huge problems. Because of the automotive industry’s collapse, that city is in dire need of money… money from tourists like me, who are willing to spend just a little extra to fly there. Air Canada is not helping them at all. It’s disgusting.

I'm afraid your 'reasoning' has completely lost me here, plus I fail to see why you think it is "disgusting". Whether prices (of anything) be high or low, they are entirely relative. Likewise, is there not a contradiction here? You clearly claim you are prepared to spend money to help Windsor but, in actuality, when then asked to pay the market rate, you seriously complain? Such a viewpoint, IMO, is simply when one feels he/she should have the ability to be flown whenever, but only on his/her terms and at a price he/she personally dictates. Inherent nonsense, of course, and business simply doesn't work that way. I don't get where this 'cheating' comes from....the price is clear, so either pay it or don't fly it.

Quoting Vio (Reply 9):
Then who should we blame here? Our politicians for not allowing "able" foreign carriers to come and fly domestic Canadian flights?

Why is there any need to apportion blame to anyone.......for exactly what reason?
Goodness, some are up in arms about allowing EK to fly international routes to and from Canada, yet you want foreign carriers to come in and fly domestic routes so you can get the prices you want????? I don't see the logic here!


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11498 times:



Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
Or do you really think it's okay to pay 700 dollars for a one way ticket for a Canadian domestic flight?

If that's what it costs to fly the route, plus make a profit on it, yes. That's ok.

Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
Wow... am I that unreasonable?

You sound like the kind of the passenger that got the NA airline industry where it is these days - the one that wants airline service for greyhound fares.



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User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11490 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 15):
Why is there any need to apportion blame to anyone.......for exactly what reason?
Goodness, some are up in arms about allowing EK to fly international routes to and from Canada, yet you want foreign carriers to come in and fly domestic routes so you can get the prices you want????? I don't see the logic here!

I'm always up for opening up the market. Before Romania entered the European Union, etc, the only airline you could fly into Cluj-Napoca was Tarom and sometimes Carpatair, for a ridiculous amount of money.

As soon as they opened up the market and WizzAir, etc was allowed to fly there, prices dropped and regular folks could actually fly abroad for a decent prince. That's what I'm trying to say.

Do I think EK should fly to Canada? Of course! Let the fly the A380 between Calgary and Vancouver if they can fill it up, as long as I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for it.

Just to compare some prices on the US Market, on another ticket I bought (to go to "Windsor") well actually Detroit, which is across the river...

This one is

PDX-DTW (via LAX)
DTW-YVR (via MSP)

Total Price? = $433.38 (Canadian)






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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2198 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11488 times:

First place to start is with what the feds take from every ticket sold.

Beyond the taxes and fees, this isn't just about AC. It isn't even a Canada only thing. Listen to the American posters comment on U.S. flights. A friend in Germany recently gave me some wonky pricing in Europe. LCC have reduced some of it on some routes but not all.


User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11458 times:



Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
You sound like the kind of the passenger that got the NA airline industry where it is these days - the one that wants airline service for greyhound fares.



Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
I'm the first to say, a 69 dollar one way flight that JetsGo used to have between YYC and YYZ was stupid. That why they ended up where they are now.... bankrupt... but a little common sense.

Wrong! Not at all. I work in the industry and belive me, a bad airline economy will not benefit me in the long run and actually one day I hope to fly for a major carrier. That aside...

I think in this case it would've been fair to have the price from be somewhat equal to the London flight. $50 dollars more?... sure.. but not $200 dollars more (double the price)



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11422 times:

Vio I do feel your pain but I'm afraid that I'm going to have to agree with almost everything you've said in this thread. Incidentally this is the second thread this weeks where I've come to AC's defense - hell must have frozen over  Wink

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
On the Windsor-Vancouver leg, they have no competition, because customers would be forced to fly only Air Canada to Toronto.

There is nothing at all to stop WS or any other Canadian carrier opening up that route. NOTHING.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
This is absurd. Are you telling me that a 200 km difference warrants a fare that is almost double? Of course not, but Air Canada/Air Canada Jazz can do that.

Well since nobody has shown the initiative to try and compete on the route AC have carte blanche to do and charge whatever they want.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Air Canada doesn’t care about its customers.

Very few carriers do. Some just masquerade as being customer friendly better than AC.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
All it wants to do is make as much profit

As a publicly traded corporation this is their mandate. No longer a crown corp remember.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
completely ignoring the needs of Canadians.

AC serves more airports than any Canadian carrier.
AC operates more domestic city pairs than any Canadian carrier.
AC operates more inter-provincial flights than any Canadian carrier.
AC serves more US cities and offers more US-Canada pairs.
AC flies to more overseas cities than any Canadian carrier - especially with codes shares.
AC employs WAY more people than WS or any other Canadian carrier.
AC operates more Canadian built aircraft than any other Canadian carrier.

With those points in mind I don't know that one can fairly say that AC is ignoring the needs of Canadians.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
This country needs to change its regulations and stop protecting Air Canada.

What is stopping WS opening up Windsor and other routes? NOTHING.

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
I think it’s disgusting when I have to pay 900 dollars (return) from YVR to YQG, when I flew to Korea for 800 dollars.

What is the cost of keeping a remote location like YQG open to AC? High landing fees at YYZ will add on to the pain on YVR-YYZ-YQB. Shitty but it's just that way.

Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 2):
That's why I fly to BUF instead of YYZ from the US west coast. It is consistently half the cost on pretty much ALL the major carriers

Yeah but then you have to be in Buffalo  Wink

Quoting Vio (Reply 6):
This country needs air transport.

Agreed and who currently provides the best coverage?

Quoting Vio (Reply 6):
This country needs affordable air transport.

Affordability is determined by operating conditions and market conditions. The law afford us freedom of movement, not freedom of cheap movement.

Quoting Vio (Reply 9):
but then open up the market for more "fair" competition

What unfair advantages would you say AC holds over other Canadian carriers?

Quoting Vio (Reply 9):
Then who should we blame here? Our politicians for not allowing "able" foreign carriers to come and fly domestic Canadian flights?

Why one EARTH would we want to allow foreign carrier's cabotage? Beyond that does this not fly in in the face of your earlier concern for Canadians? Consider lost Canadian jobs. Consider profits leaving the country. Consider that foreign carriers would neglect our languages.


YOWza



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User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11387 times:



Quoting MattRB (Reply 16):
Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
Wow... am I that unreasonable?

You sound like the kind of the passenger that got the NA airline industry where it is these days - the one that wants airline service for greyhound fares.



Quoting YOWza (Reply 20):
AC serves more airports than any Canadian carrier.
AC operates more domestic city pairs than any Canadian carrier.
AC operates more inter-provincial flights than any Canadian carrier.
AC serves more US cities and offers more US-Canada pairs.
AC flies to more overseas cities than any Canadian carrier - especially with codes shares.
AC employs WAY more people than WS or any other Canadian carrier.
AC operates more Canadian built aircraft than any other Canadian carrier.

 checkmark  But it had to be this way. Remember, Canadian Airlines also served a lot of places...

Quoting YOWza (Reply 20):
What is stopping WS opening up Windsor and other routes? NOTHING.

They don't have the capability yet. They tried Windsor once upon a time and failed. Normally larger airlines are the only ones that can sustain service to places like Windsor. Why? Maybe connections? Maybe business travellers' perks? I don't know. I'm not in airline management.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 20):
Why one EARTH would we want to allow foreign carrier's cabotage? Beyond that does this not fly in in the face of your earlier concern for Canadians? Consider lost Canadian jobs. Consider profits leaving the country. Consider that foreign carriers would neglect our languages.

Well it doesn't really have to be that way. LH, BA, VS, etc can come here and fly domestic and hire CANADIAN pilots, Canadian Airport Workers, Canadian Staff... Who cares who makes the "big bucks" in the end. Wasn't air Canada going to be owned by some rich guy from Hong-Kong at some point?



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11302 times:



Quoting Vio (Reply 21):
They don't have the capability yet. They tried Windsor once upon a time and failed. Normally larger airlines are the only ones that can sustain service to places like Windsor. Why? Maybe connections? Maybe business travellers' perks? I don't know. I'm not in airline management.

So surely the impetus is on WS to adapt to carve into these markets? Or were you expecting the feds to chime in and say "you're making too much money" and then sanction them for doing so? WS can prattle on and on about being customer driven, employee owned, and having low operating costs etc and that's all fine and dandy but at the end of the day until they or somebody else elects to get more involved in smaller markets AC will be free to keep doing what they're doing and since they're obeying the law all anyone else can do about it is cry.

Quoting Vio (Reply 21):
Well it doesn't really have to be that way. LH, BA, VS, etc can come here and fly domestic and hire CANADIAN pilots, Canadian Airport Workers, Canadian Staff... Who cares who makes the "big bucks" in the end.

I'm sure that LH, BA et al and their respective unions would be thrilled at the prospect of going on a Canadian only hiring spree.  Yeah sure

Quoting Vio (Reply 21):
Wasn't air Canada going to be owned by some rich guy from Hong-Kong at some point?

He was a Canadian citizen so end of story. If you want to moan about dual citizenship that is another debate but as far as that was concerned he obeyed the law when showing interest in AC.

YOWza



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User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11294 times:



Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Air Canada doesn’t care about its customers. All it wants to do is make as much profit, completely ignoring the needs of Canadians

Perhaps you've forgotten that Air Canada is no longer a crown corporation. Its mission is to make money, not "serve the needs of Canadians". Why not write to WS complaining about the fact they couldn't make a go of it in Windsor?

Quoting Vio (Reply 17):
Do I think EK should fly to Canada? Of course! Let the fly the A380 between Calgary and Vancouver if they can fill it up, as long as I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for it.

If you think EK or any foreign carrier is interested in flying to markets like Windsor or London, you are sadly mistaken.

Quoting Vio (Reply 21):
They don't have the capability yet. They tried Windsor once upon a time and failed. Normally larger airlines are the only ones that can sustain service to places like Windsor. Why? Maybe connections? Maybe business travellers' perks? I don't know. I'm not in airline management.

Yes, it is quite apparent you aren't. Do you think things like interlining and business traveller's perks come without cost?


User currently offlineMatthew11 From Canada, joined May 2009, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11246 times:

I would have to pretty much agree with everyone else on the thread. YOWza summoned it up quite well. If Westjet is flying to London, they definitely have the capability to fly to Windsor, but as you said they tried and failed. The market and demand must not be strong enough. There are many factors to be considered determining the cost of a route for a airline. The goal is always to make a profit. Like you said, you are not airline management, nor anyone else is. We don't know if AC is "cheating" or not.


Matt from YYC
25 Vio : Well it's not a replacement... it's an expansion to another country... Something like Virgin Blue in Australia. Okay! Fair enough. Nothing more to sa
26 Viscount724 : If you travelled more extensively you would discover that exactly the same fare comparisons exist all over the world. Airlines charge what the market
27 Cytz_pilot : Maybe if you would clarify? I know that AC is in a unique position, as the largest carrier in the country...and as such, they have more riding on the
28 Vio : I've flown over 100 round trips in the past 2 years, with British Airways, Lufthansa, Finnair, SAS, KLM, Tarom, Alitalia, Carpatair, Croatian Airline
29 Arrow : Maybe you need to be a little more creative, and figure out how to use the system to save some money. Example: Last year my wife and I wanted to spend
30 MogandoCI : Or the whole Canada, for that matter Didn't they already give honorary citizenship to Lee Ka Shing for building most of downtown Vancouver and Toront
31 Mayor : That's probably a good thing. I think you should be glad that Windsor HAS air service, with DTW just across the way. In a free market, deregulated sy
32 Vio : :D ... gee... thanks ... :P ... If I were in Airline Management I would be more educated in the field. Before I started flying I worked in the softwa
33 Sebring : Just take Via Rail or the bus to Toronto. There, problem solved. Listen, AC has great fares all over the place. Sometimes, you have to advance book, a
34 Mayor : Do you honestly think that a "foreign" carrier is going to come in and serve Windsor when there are bigger fish to fry? Gosh, maybe we can get LH or B
35 SirSheldon : THANK YOU for stating the obvious. I work in the hotel industry and it's the same thing. Rates are based on occupancy or at least on projected occupa
36 MattRB : Just out of curiousity, did it ever occur to you that what we have right now might be the healthy level of competition you're seeking? We're only a c
37 StarAC17 : That is probably the very reason that the fare is so high considering that this route was likely traveled on by the auto industry or any for that mat
38 Lincoln : Ok, I'm not a Canadian, and I realize that the general philosophy up north is a little different but do you think, for example, that other businesses
39 A346Dude : Any customer who willingly buys a product is not being ripped off. Same goes for airfare. Air Canada does not owe you anything. If they offer a servi
40 Vio : What I mean here is have a type of airline such as Virgin Blue or Lufthansa Italia. Some airline that is "Canadian" but backed up by a foreign airlin
41 YYZA330 : So why not take a taxi from Windsor-London and fly out of London on West Jet? OH? That's right! Because you wouldn't want to know what that would cost
42 Multimark : Sigh. As I and many others have pointed out to you: Windsor is not the kind of market any foreign carrier is going to be interested in. Even Westjet
43 Mandala499 : Things to consider... 1. Westjet has failed on the route, which means (given West Jet's revenue vs cost philosophy): - lacks general volume - lacks l
44 Vio : So are scalpers.... they're trying to run a business too. Go downtown Toronto by the Sky Dome (or is it Rogers Centre now?) Thanks... I had a great f
45 Osetka : I guess you don't understand how airfares work do you? Airfares work on classes and how much seats are already sold, so the day you were looking at on
46 SirSheldon : You know, all this talk of healthy competition... I think we have one of the best scenarios possible for our situation (32 million people, 2nd largest
47 AirNZ : Yes okay, but yet you are just confirming what I originally said......that you're perfectly 'happy' to have all these things in place (and ignore cor
48 Wexfordflyer : Think I tend to agree with most of the repliers here. IN todays world most airlines (perhaps not all) are living in a supply and demand climate which
49 FlyboyOz : Sorry... I know what you mean. I don't think that Air Canada will reply you back about airfares. It isn't important to talk about it. Of course...It i
50 Robsaw : Jazz makes a profit because it has a capacity purchase agreement with AC that essentially guarantees Jazz a profit. Jazz operates the planes, AC mark
51 Yyz717 : AC does not "cheat" its customers. Every ticket bought on AC is voluntary, If you overpay, that's your problem. I applaude AC for charging as much as
52 Trex8 : unless the government is subsidizing them on that route they can charge anything the market will bear! and if you walk with your feet to the competit
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