Cytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 546 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16981 times:
I did the Everett tour last weekend and the 747-8 is coming together! I could see 2 front sections and 2 sets of wings, both in various stages of completion. The first two aircraft will be freighters, or so the tour guide said.
On a side note, the front of the 747 bay had 2 787's sitting there, one of them being the static test aircraft.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26681 posts, RR: 83 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16949 times:
And LH has yet to cancel, even though it's been some 30 months since they were supposed to.
SDQ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16875 times:
Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 3): I did the Everett tour last weekend and the 747-8 is coming together! I could see 2 front sections and 2 sets of wings, both in various stages of completion. The first two aircraft will be freighters, or so the tour guide said.
Nice to know and see that the 747 is still going strong after all these years.
NCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13520 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4): And LH has yet to cancel, even though it's been some 30 months since they were supposed to.
Slackers.
Will they ever cancel?
If LH or Boeing don't cancel it within 2009 it is safe to assume that this order will go through.
B748i with GEnx will be a good replacement for A346 and B744 capacity.
LX could probably use some converted options as well in the not so distant future.
WROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 810 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13479 times:
United might order 800 as replacement for their current 747 fleet.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10241 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11937 times:
Any idea which airline will be "First to Fly the 747-8"?
I want to make sure I get a seat on that very first commercial flight.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11720 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8): Any idea which airline will be "First to Fly the 747-8"?
I want to make sure I get a seat on that very first commercial flight.
Tofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10975 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8): Any idea which airline will be "First to Fly the 747-8"?
I want to make sure I get a seat on that very first commercial flight.
To get in the first B748 you would probably have to get a job on a freight carrier (I think the first one will be for CargoLux).
If you are satisfied with the first B748 Intercontinental (Pax version), I'm sure you will end up in a LH seat.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10241 posts, RR: 40 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8957 times:
Beech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7977 times:
Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 2): On a side note, the front of the 747 bay had 2 787's sitting there, one of them being the static test aircraft.
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 8802 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7947 times:
800 747-8is? WOW! THAT would be a nice boost for both UA and Boeing!
In all seriousness tho, many are speculating that they'll order either more 772s or even the 773 to replace the 744 fleet. It seems the two remaining US airlines with the 747s prefer lower capacity/higher frequency flying as opposed to the higher capacity-less frequency flying, but I guess that's my observation as well...
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WROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 810 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6763 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13): In all seriousness tho, many are speculating that they'll order either more 772s or even the 773 to replace the 744 fleet. It seems the two remaining US airlines with the 747s prefer lower capacity/higher frequency flying as opposed to the higher capacity-less frequency flying, but I guess that's my observation as well...
Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though? I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16808 posts, RR: 57 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6739 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though? I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.
I think most pax don't care or even really know how many engines there are.
SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6677 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 14): Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though?
If you were to spec the perfect aircraft for LAX-SYD, it would look an awful lot like a 77W (although the 77W might be just a bit too small).
Quote: I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.
Most pax will only look at cheaper ticket prices, which are usually achieved more easily with two engines than four.
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Scanorama From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5624 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though? I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.
V Australia is using B777-300ER, Delta will be using B777-200LR, Air Canada is using B777-200LR on YVR-SYD and when UA used to fly AKL-LAX, they used B777-200ER. And I think QF is using Airbus A330-200 on MEL-AKL-LAX.
I think most passengers couldn't care less what aircraft they fly on as long as the ticket price is low.
Nomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1561 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5560 times:
Quoting Tofen (Reply 10): If you are satisfied with the first B748 Intercontinental (Pax version), I'm sure you will end up in a LH seat.
Somewhere I got the idea the first -i was one on the VIPs. Then again, my ideas aren't always on a first name basis with reality.
AlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 222 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4949 times:
I totally can't wait to be on LH's 748s - it is way more exciting than the A380 for me, eventhough I also loved flying on the A380 too, but the 747 - how can you top that really?
Tofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4405 times:
Quoting Nomadd22 (Reply 18):
Somewhere I got the idea the first -i was one on the VIPs. Then again, my ideas aren't always on a first name basis with reality.
Hmm, you might actually be right about that. Didn't think about them.
I don't even know if there have been an announcement about it. But it would make sense since the first ones is usually a little overweight and not 100% standardized. Then again, Boeing will have a lot of experience building freighters before they start of with the -i.
Heavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 634 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4341 times:
G'day
Quoting NCB (Reply 6): LX could probably use some converted options as well in the not so distant future.
LX would probably be better off getting a few A 346's, even some used ones from LH as opposed to getting their own fleet of what, maybe 4 or 6 B 748's. As opposed to common believing of most A-netters there is little if any difference in fuel consumption and thus operating economics of either aircraft. But a subfleet of only a few B 748's would be costly, even if maintenance could be shared with LH, where the A 346 would fit in more smoothly.
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Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 66 Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4251 times:
Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 23): LX would probably be better off getting a few A 346's, even some used ones from LH as opposed to getting their own fleet of what, maybe 4 or 6 B 748's. As opposed to common believing of most A-netters there is little if any difference in fuel consumption and thus operating economics of either aircraft.
Are you saying the trip costs of the 747-8I will be about the same as that of the A340-600? Obviously, the 747-8I will have much lower cost per seat, but I would have thought that the A340-600 would have the lower trip cost. On the other hand, I would expect that, for most routes, the higher revenue per seat generated by the A340-600 would make it the more profitable airliner to operate despite the higher operating cost per seat.
A340-600 versus 747-8I is only academically interesting between both the A350-1000 and the 777-300ER have individually been outselling all other passenger aircraft larger than the A350-900 and 777-200ER combined.
25 Stitch: Well fuel costs should be about the same if you believe the PR departments. I believe Airbus said A340-600 fuel burn was 15-20% lower then the 747-400
26 Sdq777: Are all three engine manufactures offering engines for the 748?
27 Dynamicsguy: More news on the 747-8. They have completed the wing stub join (joining the wings to the centre wing box). Seems as soon as the question was asked, st
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