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What Has Come Of The 747-800?  
User currently offlineSDQ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18524 times:

It's been a while since someone has posted here regarding the 747-800. Can anyone tell me the status of this aircraft?

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18451 times:

The most recent milestone was from a couple of weeks ago when they anounced that they had completed assembly of the first forward fuselage here.

There are also a couple of new assembly photos at
New Airplane.

[Edited 2009-06-06 17:32:46]

User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18075 times:

I did the Everett tour last weekend and the 747-8 is coming together! I could see 2 front sections and 2 sets of wings, both in various stages of completion. The first two aircraft will be freighters, or so the tour guide said.

On a side note, the front of the 747 bay had 2 787's sitting there, one of them being the static test aircraft.

-Chris


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31011 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18043 times:
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And LH has yet to cancel, even though it's been some 30 months since they were supposed to.

Slackers.  Silly


User currently offlineSDQ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 17969 times:



Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 3):
I did the Everett tour last weekend and the 747-8 is coming together! I could see 2 front sections and 2 sets of wings, both in various stages of completion. The first two aircraft will be freighters, or so the tour guide said.

Nice to know and see that the 747 is still going strong after all these years.


User currently offlineQFMel From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15807 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
And LH has yet to cancel, even though it's been some 30 months since they were supposed to.

Slackers. Silly

I don't think they're slack....they just didn't get the memo...


User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14614 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
And LH has yet to cancel, even though it's been some 30 months since they were supposed to.

Slackers.

Will they ever cancel?
If LH or Boeing don't cancel it within 2009 it is safe to assume that this order will go through.

B748i with GEnx will be a good replacement for A346 and B744 capacity.
LX could probably use some converted options as well in the not so distant future.


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14573 times:

United might order 800 as replacement for their current 747 fleet.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13031 times:

Any idea which airline will be "First to Fly the 747-8"?
I want to make sure I get a seat on that very first commercial flight.  airplane   cheerful   airplane 



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12814 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Any idea which airline will be "First to Fly the 747-8"?
I want to make sure I get a seat on that very first commercial flight.

If it flies, it would have to be LH surely.


User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12069 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Any idea which airline will be "First to Fly the 747-8"?
I want to make sure I get a seat on that very first commercial flight.

To get in the first B748 you would probably have to get a job on a freight carrier (I think the first one will be for CargoLux).
If you are satisfied with the first B748 Intercontinental (Pax version), I'm sure you will end up in a LH seat.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10051 times:



Quoting Tofen (Reply 10):

I had no idea that the first airline to acquire the 747-8 was a cargo airline.
It makes sense though.
I will have to settle for LH.  airplane 



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9071 times:



Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 2):
On a side note, the front of the 747 bay had 2 787's sitting there, one of them being the static test aircraft.

*cough cough* err... you mean fatigue...



KPAE via KBVY
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9211 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9041 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 7):
United might order 800

800 747-8is? WOW! THAT would be a nice boost for both UA and Boeing! Big grin

In all seriousness tho, many are speculating that they'll order either more 772s or even the 773 to replace the 744 fleet. It seems the two remaining US airlines with the 747s prefer lower capacity/higher frequency flying as opposed to the higher capacity-less frequency flying, but I guess that's my observation as well...



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7857 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13):
In all seriousness tho, many are speculating that they'll order either more 772s or even the 773 to replace the 744 fleet. It seems the two remaining US airlines with the 747s prefer lower capacity/higher frequency flying as opposed to the higher capacity-less frequency flying, but I guess that's my observation as well...

Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though? I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19734 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7833 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):

Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though? I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.

I think most pax don't care or even really know how many engines there are.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5479 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7771 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):
Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though?

If you were to spec the perfect aircraft for LAX-SYD, it would look an awful lot like a 77W (although the 77W might be just a bit too small).

Quote:
I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.

Most pax will only look at cheaper ticket prices, which are usually achieved more easily with two engines than four.


User currently offlineScanorama From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6718 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 14):

Not sure 772 or 773 will be a great fit for Australia routes though? I know V-Australia is using them, but I think most pax like to see 4 engines going that much over water.

V Australia is using B777-300ER, Delta will be using B777-200LR, Air Canada is using B777-200LR on YVR-SYD and when UA used to fly AKL-LAX, they used B777-200ER. And I think QF is using Airbus A330-200 on MEL-AKL-LAX.

I think most passengers couldn't care less what aircraft they fly on as long as the ticket price is low.


User currently offlineNomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6654 times:



Quoting Tofen (Reply 10):
If you are satisfied with the first B748 Intercontinental (Pax version), I'm sure you will end up in a LH seat.


Somewhere I got the idea the first -i was one on the VIPs. Then again, my ideas aren't always on a first name basis with reality.



Andy Goetsch
User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 889 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

Goog !! I would love to be one of the first 747-8 pax .

dennys


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

I totally can't wait to be on LH's 748s - it is way more exciting than the A380 for me, eventhough I also loved flying on the A380 too, but the 747 - how can you top that really?


Orbis non sufficit
User currently offlineDynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

Another milestone for the 747-8 was announced today - the engines arrived in Everett last week and are being built up now.

User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5499 times:



Quoting Nomadd22 (Reply 18):

Somewhere I got the idea the first -i was one on the VIPs. Then again, my ideas aren't always on a first name basis with reality.

Hmm, you might actually be right about that. Didn't think about them.
I don't even know if there have been an announcement about it. But it would make sense since the first ones is usually a little overweight and not 100% standardized. Then again, Boeing will have a lot of experience building freighters before they start of with the -i.


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

G'day

Quoting NCB (Reply 6):
LX could probably use some converted options as well in the not so distant future.

LX would probably be better off getting a few A 346's, even some used ones from LH as opposed to getting their own fleet of what, maybe 4 or 6 B 748's. As opposed to common believing of most A-netters there is little if any difference in fuel consumption and thus operating economics of either aircraft. But a subfleet of only a few B 748's would be costly, even if maintenance could be shared with LH, where the A 346 would fit in more smoothly.

Cheers

Peter



"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." (Albert Einstein, 1879
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5345 times:



Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 23):
LX would probably be better off getting a few A 346's, even some used ones from LH as opposed to getting their own fleet of what, maybe 4 or 6 B 748's. As opposed to common believing of most A-netters there is little if any difference in fuel consumption and thus operating economics of either aircraft.

Are you saying the trip costs of the 747-8I will be about the same as that of the A340-600? Obviously, the 747-8I will have much lower cost per seat, but I would have thought that the A340-600 would have the lower trip cost. On the other hand, I would expect that, for most routes, the higher revenue per seat generated by the A340-600 would make it the more profitable airliner to operate despite the higher operating cost per seat.

A340-600 versus 747-8I is only academically interesting between both the A350-1000 and the 777-300ER have individually been outselling all other passenger aircraft larger than the A350-900 and 777-200ER combined.


25 Stitch : Well fuel costs should be about the same if you believe the PR departments. I believe Airbus said A340-600 fuel burn was 15-20% lower then the 747-400
26 Sdq777 : Are all three engine manufactures offering engines for the 748?
27 Dynamicsguy : More news on the 747-8. They have completed the wing stub join (joining the wings to the centre wing box). Seems as soon as the question was asked, st
28 Nomadd22 : The only choice is the GEnx.
29 FlyPBA : United has stated that the 747-8i and the A380 are not being considered (A380 comment was confirmed by Airbus)
30 WROORD : Well, maybe Thai or another airline which is about to cancel A380 will go for 747-800.
31 Stitch : If they need a 125% load factor on a 747-400 to break-even, I imagine they'll be right around 100% for a 747-8. So my money would be on a .
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