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C Vs J Class  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2612 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12459 times:

Biz class is sometimes called J class, and sometimes C class.
What is the difference between C and J class?

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Sacha (LY777)


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User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12427 times:

C and J are just booking classes, airlines often use these letters. Usually J is a more expensive and more flexible fare, with better availability.

User currently offlineACKattack From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12409 times:

I was under the understanding that "C" came from the Pan Am era when their business class was called Clipper Class.

But correct me if I am wrong.


User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2326 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12378 times:
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It's the same difference between M and Y class .... both are economy and thogh both are diferent fare types, when in written text both refer to "the eco kettle in the back of the plane", it became vulgo and is just a designation of Economy class, same with C and J, both are per-se booking classes within the business class fares ... but mostly C and J are abbrevations for "business class" in general (the product, the seats, the service), without refering to any special fare.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24361 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12288 times:

Way back in the 1970s IATA defined these fare classes.

At the time J was a premium business class, with C being the regular business class.

This is similar to how first class also had different codes of R, P and F.
R = supersonic first class, P a premium first class product and F the regular first class offering.



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User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

A quick look at ORD-FRA on Air France and different booking classes - all in Business Class:

Z-fare: $8.702
D-fare: $8.756
C-fare: $10.697
J-fare: $11.332

(prices in USD)



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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

At BA it used to always be that J denoted the long-haul Business Class product (starting with 1980s era 'SuperClub') while C denoted the short-haul product.

Throughout the 80s and 90s the timetables showed long haul flights with 3 classes operating with 'FJM' and short-haul flights with 2 classes as 'CM'

These were the booking codes for the full fare (ie not discounted) in the corresponding cabin, all the other booking codes denoted discounted fares with restrictions

I never really understood the 'First Class Premium' concept of 'P' class, and only ever saw it applied to flights of AF and TE (now NZ) what made it 'Premium' other than price?!



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11450 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
At the time J was a premium business class, with C being the regular business class.

AA still uses this, to an extent.

On the 3-class 777's, the cabins are F/C/Y. On the 2-class 763's, the cabins are J/Y. It's a smart distinction, as on the AA 767-300's the Business Class is a bit of a hybrid between Business and First, in terms of meal service, as compared to the 777's separate First Class and Business Class.



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User currently offlineRonProphet From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10724 times:

Hi all,

The reality is now that the different letters used to denote business class are just the same as those for First and Economy. Currently, spread amongst the various international carriers, business class has J, C, D, Z, I and U (although the latter seems primarily to be used for frequent flyer use). First seems to have F, P, A, and Economy pretty much the whole alphabet other than those lettters use for First and Business!

What is the distinction? Again, it depends on the carrier, but fundamentally it relates to yield. For example, BA & QF use J for the top yielding business class fares, then progressively move to lower yielding fares with different letters - D for lower yields such as RTW fares, & I for specials (we see it more frequently in these straitened times).
However, not all carriers work the same way. TG for example have C, D, J and Z - and C is the premium level, and J at the lower end of the yield spectrum. Another factor is the airlines' desire to streamline the booking process when intra-alliance fares are used - eg the Star-Alliance RTW fare, or the One-World Explorer, or Global Explorer. By and large, the carriers in each alliance try to use the same booking class for these fares (primarily D).
At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with anything other than the type of fare being used, and the yield it provides to the airline, Obviously, one could add that if you are waitlisted in a higher yield class, then your chances of getting clearance from waitlist are much higher (but then other factors come into play then as well!)

Cheers!


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9862 times:

There was a related discussion on the meaning of these codes last month: Why Y And J? (by Baguy May 6 2009 in Civil Aviation)

V/F



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9721 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Way back in the 1970s IATA defined these fare classes.

They still do but airlines often ignore IATA coding guidelines and do their own thing.


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9660 times:
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Quoting RonProphet (Reply 8):
TG for example have C, D, J and Z - and C is the premium level, and J at the lower end of the yield spectrum.

SK has it like that as well with C on top and Z as the lowest. On LX J-Class is the lowest business class fare, C,D, Z and then J.

TG's First class are F,A and then P in descending order.

Cheers
Stein



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