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Two AA Questions  
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5276 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

First, AA put its first two 737-800s delivered this year on routes out of ORD to LAX and MSP. How many 737-800s have been delivered so far, and what routes are they flying?

Second, the Chicago Tribune reported that DL is going to consolidate its gate space in Terminal 2 at ORD, while CO is going to move it's gates into Terminal 1, although ticketing and baggage services will remain in Terminal 2.

The Tribune suggests that AA is the most likely carrier to take over DL's gates on Concourse L. How likely is it that AA will take some or all of DL's 5 gates on L? Would the additional gate space mean any additional flying out of ORD, either new destinations or additional frequencies to current destinations.

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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2295 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6401 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Thread starter):
How many 737-800s have been delivered so far

Five.

Quoting Ckfred (Thread starter):
what routes are they flying?

LAX, MSP, LAS, FLL, PHL and DFW (all from ORD, of course).



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6324 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Thread starter):
either new destinations
or additional frequencies to current destinations.

Maybe ORD-PDX will come back...again...


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6198 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 1):
LAX, MSP, LAS, FLL, PHL and DFW (all from ORD, of course).

It looks like ORD-DEN is on that list too.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6694 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

well considering that AA is using some of DL's current concourse L right now it wouldn't surprise me if they continue to lease out space from them in the future. Although hasn't AA been shrinking at ORD over the past few years?


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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

PHL? MSP? Why are they not being utilized on longer routes, like, SFO and SEA?
What is the delivery schedule? 2 a month?


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6018 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 5):
PHL? MSP? Why are they not being utilized on longer routes, like, SFO and SEA?
What is the delivery schedule? 2 a month?

To the best of my knowledge (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), this is done so that the aircraft can do as many runs per day as possible. For example, I know that each of the two 738s that flies to MSP does ORD-MSP-ORD in the morning and then immediately turns around and does ORD-LAX-ORD and this repeats each day. I think that the same thing applies for other routes. Once more 738s come on board, they will be used as much as possible on the longer routes. And yes, deliveries are 2 per month.


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5994 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 6):

To the best of my knowledge (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), this is done so that the aircraft can do as many runs per day as possible. For example, I know that each of the two 738s that flies to MSP does ORD-MSP-ORD in the morning and then immediately turns around and does ORD-LAX-ORD and this repeats each day. I think that the same thing applies for other routes. Once more 738s come on board, they will be used as much as possible on the longer routes. And yes, deliveries are 2 per month.

Thanks for the info, my only question being, why are they trying to get as many sectors a day out of them? because they are new and nice, or for some mechanical reason?


User currently offlineRipcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

They will also be doing DCA/TPA soon. Well I think AA has first chose to sub-lease the gates from DL and I think they would be stupid not to since it would likely open up Jet Blue and Virgin to do more flying into ORD. It will cost AA some cash either way if they take them or if they don't take them. There has been some rumor of late Mexicana would depart from the L gates and AA would work them along with BA/JAL but it's only rumor it would make it a One World Terminal and on the plus side it has it's own bag room.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5959 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 7):
why are they trying to get as many sectors a day out of them?

Simple - airplanes don't make money sitting on the ground - they make money by flying.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4288 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5887 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Thread starter):
The Tribune suggests that AA is the most likely carrier to take over DL's gates on Concourse L. How likely is it that AA will take some or all of DL's 5 gates on L?

That depends on a couple of other factors. Will B6 stay put, or will they be moved? Also, if Virgin America starts ORD, it is logical to think the L gates would be available to them.


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5835 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 7):
Thanks for the info, my only question being, why are they trying to get as many sectors a day out of them? because they are new and nice, or for some mechanical reason?

I wish I worked in route planning to be able to answer the question in more detail because I love this kind of stuff!  smile 

What I do know is that the 738s are about 30-35% more fuel efficient than the S80s so for every mile that they replace and S80s and fly, that's more money saved. In addition, it's 156 seats on the 738s versus the 140 on the S80s.


User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

I think AA would be silly not to take up those gates. The risk that Virgin America or jetBlue could get a strong presence at ORD is too great, plus, at some point, the economy will turn around ( I hope!) and then, as usual, airlines will over-expand and not have enough gate space anywhere...plus couldn't AA take them now and then sub-lease them later or use that concourse to service BA and other OW departures?

Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 11):
it's 156 seats

Interesting they took the 7 extra seats instead of knocking them out and taking one less FA. I've seen rows removed and empty space on Delta jets for this staffing reason.

Cairo


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3477 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5633 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 6):
And yes, deliveries are 2 per month.

2 in March, 2 in April, 3 per month for the remainder of the year except for October, which is supposed to have 5. Naturally, that could change tomorrow.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 12):
Interesting they took the 7 extra seats instead of knocking them out and taking one less FA.

Original plan was for 160 seating, but the "new" seat cushions at window exits were uncomfortable and pax were changing them causing illegalities. The window exit seats are currently blocked (not usable) leaving the 156 capacity. Supposedly Boeing is to provide "newer, better" seat cushions by next month, but only time will tell.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

IIRC, DL has every gate on L leased from the airport through 2018. DL sublets gates 1, 2, 4, 6, and 8 to AA, and it would be free to sublet the other 5 to anyone it wants. Granted, the City of Chicago could try to put some pressure on DL to sublet to Virgin America, Jet Blue, or another LCC.

User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

I noticed yesterday that AA has added 738's to DCA - DFW service in mid-August. I'm very happy about that, as I really need the IFE.


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23154 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2876 times:



Quoting Ripcordd (Reply 8):
There has been some rumor of late Mexicana would depart from the L gates and AA would work them along with BA/JAL but it's only rumor it would make it a One World Terminal and on the plus side it has it's own bag room.

If I were AA, I'd be begging BA to move to Terminal 3. It's far and away the easiest way to keep competition out of T-3 (and thus out of ORD), and BA could use the former CRC as a lounge. If B6 really does want a second gate (and I have no reason to doubt that rumor), they could move in to the narrowbody gates (1 and 3), leaving 5, 7, 9, 10 to AA.



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User currently offlineAAtakeMeAway From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2823 times:



Quoting Contrails (Reply 15):
I noticed yesterday that AA has added 738's to DCA - DFW service in mid-August. I'm very happy about that, as I really need the IFE.

Cool... Does anyone know if these are the older DFW 738s , or the brand new ORD 738s?


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2732 times:



Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 17):
Cool... Does anyone know if these are the older DFW 738s , or the brand new ORD 738s?

Looking at a random day in late August, it shows 4 738s. However, it shows 132 seats it Y, making it the older 738s. Sorry!

P.S. If I recall correctly, all the new 738s are going to ORD (for now).


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Was in ORD today, and saw more than a few of the new birds coming and going....looks real nice to see new planes in AA colors!!!

User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3477 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2686 times:



Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 17):
Cool... Does anyone know if these are the older DFW 738s , or the brand new ORD 738s?

I don't know about previous months, but we've been flying DFW-DCA for at least two months now. I've had a USAF Reserve airline pilot who commutes on that route every Sunday on my jumpseat every week last month. Always using original airframes (148 pax, 2-3 cabin jumpseats & 1-2 cockpit jumpseats).



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2585 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Thread starter):
How many 737-800s have been delivered so far,

AA took delivery of number seven June 8, 3DU.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2570 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 1):
LAX, MSP, LAS, FLL, PHL and DFW (all from ORD, of course).

There aren't any ORD-DFW-ORD flights on the new 738's. DFW-ORD-DFW is still 1x 772, 18x S80.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4530 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2541 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 22):
DFW-ORD-DFW is still 1x 772, 18x S80.

Good to see AA maintaining their "shuttle" service on this route.  crowded 


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3402 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2500 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 21):
AA took delivery of number seven June 8, 3DU.

I know there's a logic to AA's fleet numbering system, and that there's a way the letters correspond to the registration number, but what exactly is it?


25 Ripcordd : There is some on some S80 the tail number is N214AA and the aircraft number is #214. S80 are 200's 500's and 4XX's 737 are 3XX 757 are 5XX and 600'S 7
26 AAtakeMeAway : Right - I was referring to the ORD-DFW 738's which we now know doesn't exist
27 Ckfred : This would make connections to BA departures much easier, espeically if there are misconnects that were originally booked on AA departures for LHR. C
28 Qqflyboy : Perhaps there was a sub then on June 8th, because SABRE showed one 738 on that day flying ORD-DFW. I have no idea if it was a new 738 or not, but ass
29 Ripcordd : I'm surprised that RNO has not been cut from ORD it was 2 Daily 757 for a long time then 1 Daily 757 now a daily 737. When there was 2 757 flights wer
30 AAR90 : I remember flying it when it was 3/day 738s. Under "simplification" RNO went all 757s and the 738s haven't been back... until now. In RES, you can se
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