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Photos Of CO's New Gates At ORD?  
User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Just wondering if anyone out there has any photos of Continental's new Terminal B gates at ORD? I am interested in seeing what they look like...

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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10131 times:

I do know that CO has put their new GIDS at their new gates, as noted on the FlyerTalk CO board by COInsider. The system used seems similar and probably is to the one UA is using based on a few trips reports read on this site. Hopefully they are in better positions at ORD then one the ones at IAH.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

The nice thing about the UA system is that each display has its own WYSE thin-client style computer attached. It would be easy for CO to connect their own device to the preinstalled displays, or potentially even use the same client to access their central systems.

There are plenty of GIDS displays at each UA gate, so they will have no trouble seeing them.

Since I have not been down there to see it myself, what did they do with the displays in the podium itself?

NS


User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10030 times:

Someone needs to explain the technology at the gates...I like what ORD has for United at the gates with all the information that it displays. I do not like Continental's gate displays at IAH, CLE, and EWR. Continental's displays at the gates seem as if it's from the 90's. I would also add though that in Terminal E in IAH they added LCD Displays that show stand-by list, aircraft, seat maps, inflight amenities, etc..

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9879 times:

Will UA be moving from Terminal A to CO's Terminal C at IAH? Weren't DL and NW located in terminal B during the hey day of Skyteam? If *A is going to take advantage of CO's connection opportunities at IAH then it makes no sense for UA to remain in A, where to connect to CO one must leave the secured area and reenter security in another terminal. At least B-C-D-E are connected by the air train.

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9803 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
If *A is going to take advantage of CO's connection opportunities at IAH then it makes no sense for UA to remain in A, where to connect to CO one must leave the secured area and reenter security in another terminal. At least B-C-D-E are connected by the air train.

At EWR they didn't seem to worry about connecting flights between NW and CO when they were the Skyteam alliance. Why would they all of a sudden be worried at ORD or IAH?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9786 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 5):
Why would they all of a sudden be worried at ORD or IAH?

This alliance is way more like KL/NW was than CO/NW- I've been told it features more integration than any domestic non-merger alliance ever before (paraphrasing, of course).

It really is all of the effects of a merger, without the HR.

NS


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9730 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
Will UA be moving from Terminal A to CO's Terminal C at IAH?

IAH Terminals C and E are just about full during most banks with CO flights so I don't think UA would be headed to Terminal C.

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
If *A is going to take advantage of CO's connection opportunities at IAH then it makes no sense for UA to remain in A, where to connect to CO one must leave the secured area and reenter security in another terminal. At least B-C-D-E are connected by the air train.

The TerminaLink project is moving pretty quick to connect Terminal A with Terminal B. I don't know the scheduled completion date, but I would think HAS would find a way to get passengers from A to B/C/D/E without having to go outside the secured area if it is not finished by the time CO switches to the STAR in October.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9613 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
Will UA be moving from Terminal A to CO's Terminal C at IAH? Weren't DL and NW located in terminal B during the hey day of Skyteam? If *A is going to take advantage of CO's connection opportunities at IAH then it makes no sense for UA to remain in A, where to connect to CO one must leave the secured area and reenter security in another terminal. At least B-C-D-E are connected by the air train.

There aren't many connection opportunities at IAH for CO/UA. CO has 81.19% of the market through IAH and UA has very few flights. None of UAs flights are to cities that CO does not serve extensively as well. UA could conceivably pull out of the IAH market altogether and just code share with Continental on flights to IAH.

Quoting Evanbu (Reply 3):
Someone needs to explain the technology at the gates...I like what ORD has for United at the gates with all the information that it displays. I do not like Continental's gate displays at IAH, CLE, and EWR. Continental's displays at the gates seem as if it's from the 90's. I would also add though that in Terminal E in IAH they added LCD Displays that show stand-by list, aircraft, seat maps, inflight amenities, etc..

Continental's reservation system (which generates the information displays) has never been as good as the competition. Back in the 1980s, there were two main systems: Apollo (UA) and Sabre (AA) which supplied the travel agencies with booking computers. Frank Lorenzo at the time wanted to bring every operation in-house to save costs. Thus he created Chelsea Catering (named after his daughter) and SHARES which was used by CO and America West and nobody else. SHARES came from the old Trans-Texas Airlines.

SHARES was not competitive when it was used in the 1980s and has never had the investment that Galileo (UA) Sabre (AA) and Worldspan (DL) have enjoyed.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9542 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):
I don't know the scheduled completion date, but I would think HAS would find a way to get passengers from A to B/C/D/E without having to go outside the secured area if it is not finished by the time CO switches to the STAR in October.

In the interim they will probably use buses until TerminaLink is finished. I heard somewhere (forget the source) that there will be a provision to connect the North side of Terminal A (where TerminaLink station is) to the South side of Terminal A securely. If that does not happen I would imagine we would see another Terminal A musical chairs game with United and US Airways joining Air Canada Jazz on the north side of A and Delta/Northwest moving back to the south side of A.



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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9498 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
Continental's reservation system (which generates the information displays) has never been as good as the competition. Back in the 1980s, there were two main systems: Apollo (UA) and Sabre (AA) which supplied the travel agencies with booking computers. Frank Lorenzo at the time wanted to bring every operation in-house to save costs. Thus he created Chelsea Catering (named after his daughter) and SHARES which was used by CO and America West and nobody else. SHARES came from the old Trans-Texas Airlines.

SHARES was not competitive when it was used in the 1980s and has never had the investment that Galileo (UA) Sabre (AA) and Worldspan (DL) have enjoyed.

That not correct. When Texas Air bought Eastern Airlines they inherited System One. System One was spun off and eventually integrated into EDS. Shares is the RES system that survives today (I'm chopping off tons of history). Lorenzo did not create Shares. He inherited it.

Other customers of Shares over the years have been Continental , American West (and now USAirways), Virgin Atlantic, Aeromexico, Mexicana, and British Midland. Not a terrible list of carrier.

The two main systems were not Apollo and Sabre, it was IBM vs Unisys. Sabre (AA), BABS (BA), Apollo (UA), Deltamatic (DL), etc are are deriviatives of the same original IBM PARS mainframe. Unisys was used by KLM, Northwest, ANA, Cathay Pacific, again all derivatives of the same original mainframe code. Over the years enhancements were made, GUI's were added, functionality increased, inventory management was refined etc. In addition GDS were consolidated two a few majors (Sabre -both a CRS and a GDS , Galileo (UA,KL) Worldspan (DL, NW) Abacus (CX, KE, SQ) Amadeus (LH, AF, AZ), and SITA (for small airlines). GDS are the distribution systems for the airlines before the internet. Expedia is a web front end to the old Worldspan system. Travelocity is web based Sabre.

Travel agents use GDS', but the airlines can use a whole host of back end inventory management products (like Shares since Amadues is the GDS for Shares) or RES systems like Apollo, Deltamatic, RES13, etc. It's transparent and irrelevant to anyone outside the airline.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

These are the gates CO will be using:

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.asp...0&phscl=1&scene=41320265&encType=1

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 5):
At EWR they didn't seem to worry about connecting flights between NW and CO when they were the Skyteam alliance. Why would they all of a sudden be worried at ORD or IAH?

At one time or another AC, HP, AF and SAS were in Terminal C with CO at EWR when they had alliances with CO.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9168 times:



Quoting Airzim (Reply 10):
The two main systems were not Apollo and Sabre, it was IBM vs Unisys. Sabre (AA), BABS (BA), Apollo (UA), Deltamatic (DL), etc are are deriviatives of the same original IBM PARS mainframe.

In 1984-85, when I worked for a travel agent, the two most popular systems were Apollo and Sabre. If you had Apollo, you paid United Airlines for the service and all your tickets were issued on United Airlines plates. If you had Sabre, you paid American Airlines for the service and all your tickets were issued on American Airlines plates. I worked for Neiman-Marcus Travel in Union Square in San Francisco and we paid several hundred dollars per month to United Airlines to use their system. At that time, all travel agents in the bay area used Apollo.

In those days, if one booked a seat on Continental using Apollo, United Airlines deducted a fee for each booking. So it cost Continental money. There were also antitrust charges of bias in the flight listings, i.e. that Apollo listed connections via United first before listing connections on other airlines. Frank Lorenzo did not like paying the fee or the bias, so he used an in-house system called SHARES which came from Trans-Texas Airlines. He pushed reservation agents to use a ticket-by-mail system which bypassed the travel agent and saved him Apollo/Sabre fees.

I know that SHARES came from Trans-Texas Airlines because I had a colleague who worked for reservations for TTA in Longview TX for 12 years before the merger and she told me that SHARES came from TTA. That is why she knew how to use it.

During the mid 1980s when all the mergers were taking place, Lorenzo bought Eastern and that included SystemOne. He soon sold it (not spun it off) because we were losing money hand over fist and desperate for cash. He had originally planned to develop SystemOne into a full-fledged competitor with Apollo and Sabre, but he did not have the money to do so.

In 1986, I paid Continental $3000 dollars to learn how to use SHARES. Frank had the idea that rather than training reservation agents, you had them pay for their training. It was the same time that he decided to make all new FAs buy their uniforms instead of giving them to them free when they finished training. At that time, the only airlines using SHARES was Continental and America West.

SHARES was behind the curve during my employment with Continental. Other airlines were using systems that printed the boarding passes at the gate and ticket counter. We still had to write seat numbers in green ink on boarding envelopes. Other airlines were using systems that printed bag tags while we had shelves of different colored tags for each city we served. Because SHARES was not garnering any fees from travel agents and only used in-house, they never had the money to invest in it the way Apollo and Sabre did.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9121 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 12):
We still had to write seat numbers in green ink on boarding envelopes.

Hahaha ... I still have those ticket jackets with my seat number written in green marker!



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9027 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
None of UAs flights are to cities that CO does not serve extensively as well.

Agreed, but the converse isn't true. CO has extensive service to Latin America ex-IAH, and while Chicago and D.C. aren't Miami, they do generate a fair amount of traffic to Latin America, and it's reasonable to expect that UA will bring some of that traffic to IAH to connect to CO (or XE) flights.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8960 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
Agreed, but the converse isn't true. CO has extensive service to Latin America ex-IAH, and while Chicago and D.C. aren't Miami, they do generate a fair amount of traffic to Latin America, and it's reasonable to expect that UA will bring some of that traffic to IAH to connect to CO (or XE) flights.

It is possible that they may move UA over to Terminal B-C-D-E. It would not require very many gates. UA currently has the following frequencies to IAH: 1-SFO, 3-DEN, 1-ORD, 1-IAD, plus many codeshares with CO. As I said before, I would not be surprised if United discontinued all service to IAH and just codeshared with Continental since they only have six flights per day.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8931 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
UA could conceivably pull out of the IAH market altogether and just code share with Continental on flights to IAH.

I think this is way off base. United has a decent amount of capacity out of IAH - as it is now they use 757s twice daily to DEN and they also do a 757 turn to ORD and SFO on SUN in addition to the regional and mainline flying on the other flights as well as to IAD. United will absolutely not be pulling out of IAH - that's like saying they were going to pull out of CLT or PHL when they joined up with US.



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8875 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 15):
It is possible that they may move UA over to Terminal B-C-D-E. It would not require very many gates. UA currently has the following frequencies to IAH: 1-SFO, 3-DEN, 1-ORD, 1-IAD, plus many codeshares with CO.

Don't forget that UA also handles the AC flights and I believe the LH flight. I doubt any carrier will be moving to B, especially depending on when they will start rebuilding B as I believe they will close one side of B and move the other flights to the other side. UA and AC could possibly move to D1, D2, D3. Yet, I still see UA remaining at A, and it will just depend on how HAS allows for passengers to use TerminaLink at A to connect to the South concourse of A or will they make DL and UA change concourses within A.

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
Weren't DL and NW located in terminal B during the hey day of Skyteam?

I'm not sure if DL has ever been in B, but not together with NW. NW first started out in B when the CO/NW partnership was started. Previously they had been at HOU and for a while they had operations at both airports until they decided to close HOU and focus out of IAH, all of this before Skyteam. Once they joined Skyteam, and once DL and NW started getting a bit cozy before the merger, they moved to A as CO expanded more COEx flights out of B. At one point, CO and NW allowed passengers traveling on either airline to check in at the same self check-in counters. Don't know how long that lasted.

Back to ORD ... is baggage pick up for CO still in T2?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8780 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 17):
Back to ORD ... is baggage pick up for CO still in T2?

Yes

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 15):
UA currently has the following frequencies to IAH: 1-SFO, 3-DEN, 1-ORD, 1-IAD, plus many codeshares with CO.

Actually, it's 3x ORD, 2x IAD, 5x DEN, 1x SFO (plus 3x YYZ and 3x YYC on AC).



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8716 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 15):
It is possible that they may move UA over to Terminal B-C-D-E. It would not require very many gates. UA currently has the following frequencies to IAH: 1-SFO, 3-DEN, 1-ORD, 1-IAD, plus many codeshares with CO. As I said before, I would not be surprised if United discontinued all service to IAH and just codeshared with Continental since they only have six flights per day.

Again - you are omitting the United Express flights - they have 3 total flights to ORD and like 4-5 flights to DEN total along with 2 total flights to IAD. I don't know why you would omit that. United will not be pulling out of IAH, in fact you will probably see even more 757s than the 3 daily you currently see. United is not going to pull out of one of the premier Star Alliance hubs.



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User currently offlineAA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

All,

Sorry if this has been covered. Does anyone know of a date/dates when CO is moving to T1 and DL to T2?

Thanks,

AA777LVR


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

UA does not ground handle AC at IAH. They use a third-party ground handler like Swissport, Worldwide, or Delta Global but I can't remember which one. UA's and AC's gates are not even connected within security at IAH.

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8614 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 17):
I'm not sure if DL has ever been in B,

DL was in "B" back in the late 80's when they still had a crew base at IAH however, that was then, this is now!  Smile

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 19):
Again - you are omitting the United Express flights - they have 3 total flights to ORD and like 4-5 flights to DEN total along with 2 total flights to IAD. I don't know why you would omit that. United will not be pulling out of IAH, in fact you will probably see even more 757s than the 3 daily you currently see. United is not going to pull out of one of the premier Star Alliance hubs.

Completely agree. There seems to always be a UA Express E170 or CRJ7/9 coming or going now days, along with similar numbers of US Express E170/190's.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8398 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Actually, it's 3x ORD, 2x IAD, 5x DEN, 1x SFO (plus 3x YYZ and 3x YYC on AC).

Sorry. I was using Amadeus and they don't specify which airline is flying a codeshare flight or the aircraft type. I must remember to use the Star Alliance website.

It doesn't really change what I said though. According to the DOT, Continental, Expressjet and Chautauqua handle 85.99% of the pax at IAH. Any other airlines connecting to CO are going to be quite small. Lufthansa and Singapore use Terminal D.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7387 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 23):
It doesn't really change what I said though. According to the DOT, Continental, Expressjet and Chautauqua handle 85.99% of the pax at IAH. Any other airlines connecting to CO are going to be quite small. Lufthansa and Singapore use Terminal D.

But why aren't you suggesting that CO leave, for instance, IAD? In these partnerships, the vast majority (all?) flights between one partner's hub and the another's have continued to have both airlines on them even after the consummation of the partnership.



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25 KGAIflyer : Continental comes and goes at Dulles. I remember flying Embrear 120s to Cleveland, ERJ-145s to Newark, and 737-500s and 145XRs to Houston. Currently,
26 Drerx7 : IAH is not unlike any other major hub that is dominated. No one will be pulling out, as I said before that is like United pulling out of Charlotte or
27 FWAERJ : As already mentioned, CO moved to T1 Concourse B on June 1st of this year. Last time I checked, DL's move from T3 Concourse L to T2 Concourse E was t
28 Cba : There are a lot of secondary Latin American cities, especially in Mexico served by CO from IAH that are not served by UA out of any of their hubs. Th
29 Drerx7 : I doubt it. Terminal E is nice but it is connected fairly well to Terminal D. CO gates will also be at a premium once reconstruction of Terminal B st
30 Joeljack : Went by the new Continental gates this morning, shoot. They look like United gates. They just changed all the signage. Gates B-1 through B-4 were Cont
31 Cba : True... C-D-E are thoroughly linked through walkways and the air train. Years ago I remember seeing a fair share of hardstanded ERJs outside of Termi
32 United1 : looks like it....E4, E6, E12 & E14 were the former CO gates in T2....
33 DLDTW1962 : When is CO going to move out of the McNamar Terminal in DTW ? I do believe they will be moving (if the move) to the new North Terminal. Chuck
34 T5towbar : Thanks for the history lesson on SHARES, Eghansen. I was wondering about how it was so different than other res systems. Just a off-topic question? A
35 Rw717 : Add to that list Reno Air, until they went to Sabre. As stated in a previous post, no boarding passes, just a seat number and your gate written on a
36 Post contains images Drerx7 : Actually its going to be more substantive than that. Plans call for 1.7million square feet, 65 gates, and another FIS. Think along the lines of Termi
37 United1 : It's great that they are adding more mainline gates but Is that going to be enough gates for the RJs?
38 Cba : Wow, that is an awesome design, and definitely in line with the Master Plan to make IAH look like ATL. I'm assuming that with the new FIS building in
39 CALMSP : really, there is absolutely no possibility. There is not enough gates for LH/SQ to utilize our gates. Also, we do no contract handling at IAH. (curre
40 Drerx7 : I don't think so...I remember when this was announced they specifically mentioned that the new complex will have widebody gates.
41 Evanbu : When is this new project at IAH supposed to begin?
42 CALMSP : so back to the topic at hand.............does anyone have any pics from ORD???? (maybe a new thread for IAH discussions)
43 Post contains links Drerx7 : New thread started....sorry for the hijack... Terminal B Expansion IAH Discussion (by Drerx7 Jun 10 2009 in Civil Aviation)
44 Gigneil : I have dispatched an emissary. We should have pics of B1-4 by 5:30ish CDT. NS
45 ElBandGeek : So now that they've moved into T1, does anyone know if they're actually gonna start looking into a long-term solution to the counter space issue. Once
46 Airzim : The mergers and sell offs over the years make this all a tangled mess. Regardless I still take exception to your generalizations about Shares. All ai
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