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Korean Air Announces First A380 Route  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25785 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25363 times:

Probably not a surprise, however Korean Air notified Los Angeles authorities that it plans to make ICN-LAX its initial A380 route commencing in November 2010.

Los Angeles home to the largest Korean population of outside of Korea has long been the carriers largest long haul destination.


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User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25134 times:

Not sure if KE will be the second operator, but will LAX be ready to handle a second A380 ops? There is already complaints on both sides (QF & LAX) about their unpreparedness. This downturn in travel just muzzled more complaints temporarily. Hope they will be ready.

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25130 times:

As LAXIntl says - not a total suprise with LAX being such a large destination for them already. I for one can't wait to see a A380 in KE livery Big grin

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24971 times:

Good for LAX!! I can't wait to see an A380 painted in the Korean livery! That will look amazing alongside the Qantas at LAX!!!!!


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24791 times:



Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 1):
Hope they will be ready.

They have well over a year to get ready. This should be enough to make a good strategic plan for the initiation, even if it doesn't mean that gates, arrival halls and so on have been completely reworked for the A380.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24718 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Probably not a surprise,

No, not at all.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
however Korean Air notified Los Angeles authorities that it plans to make ICN-LAX its initial A380 route commencing in November 2010.

I really hope that Airbus will be able to deliver the first KE bird in 2010. Would be very disappointing to see another delay, because the plane will look great in KE colours.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24677 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
I for one can't wait to see a A380 in KE livery Big grin

I've seen one in Piccadilly, London, and it does look great.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24535 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Probably not a surprise, however Korean Air notified Los Angeles authorities that it plans to make ICN-LAX its initial A380 route commencing in November 2010.

Any chance the A380 could continue from LAX to GRU? KE currently operates a 3 weekly ICN-LAX-GRU B772. I guess the chance would be remote...

Rgs,


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24201 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 6):
I've seen one in Piccadilly, London, and it does look great.

I always stop and have a look at that one too  Wink

Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 1):
There is already complaints on both sides (QF & LAX) about their unpreparedness

I find all this thing about not being ready for the A380 a load of tosh. Isn't it time they pulled their finger out and got themselves ready?


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3770 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24156 times:



Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 1):
Not sure if KE will be the second operator, but will LAX be ready to handle a second A380 ops?

IMO, EK DXB-LAX will probably happen before KE ICN-LAX. It's just that EK hasn't notified LAWA yet.

Still, there will probably be chaos at the TBIT... two, likely three airlines using A380s in a grossly inadequate facility in 2010, much less 1984.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4808 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23955 times:
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Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
I for one can't wait to see a A380 in KE livery

Me too. I think she will be the best looking A380 of all airlines who have ordered it.  Wink


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25785 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 23697 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
I really hope that Airbus will be able to deliver the first KE bird in 2010. Would be very disappointing to see another delay

From the note I saw, it stated KE was to take delivery of its first pair in October 2010. Indeed not much room for a delay.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
Any chance the A380 could continue from LAX to GRU? KE currently operates a 3 weekly ICN-LAX-GRU B772. I guess the chance would be remote...

Doubtfull. With only a pair of 380s, they will focus on the ICN-LAX-ICN turn flights.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
IMO, EK DXB-LAX will probably happen before KE ICN-LAX. It's just that EK hasn't notified LAWA yet.

EK has continued to hint that they indeed want to make LAX a A380 destination. Maybe later this year they will make that official. From what I gather the daily 777 flights are doing well.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
two, likely three airlines using A380s in a grossly inadequate facility in 2010, much less 1984.

I really wish people could travel back in time with me to TBITs opening in 1984.

The facility at the time was considered a wasteful, and costly monster that LA never needed. Near half of the ticket counters were vacant, and airlines could leisurely park planes for extended periods, while about 1/3 the FIS facility was boarded up for the first 5 years.
No one, including the airline community could imagine the rapid international traffic growth LAX was to experience in the next 10 to 20 years. If they would have had their way back then, TBIT would have been a smaller facility.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23551 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
IMO, EK DXB-LAX will probably happen before KE ICN-LAX. It's just that EK hasn't notified LAWA yet.

SQ will probably start WhaleJet service SIN-NRT-LAX before KE and possibly before EK send theirs to LAX.


User currently offline4EVERVARIG From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 23132 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 8):
Any chance the A380 could continue from LAX to GRU? KE currently operates a 3 weekly ICN-LAX-GRU B772. I guess the chance would be remote...

Rgs,

Not likely...I believe Brazil has put restrictions on what aircraft KE can operate on the route as of now, and if I am not mistaken, they cannot fly anything bigger than a 772 to GRU...Not even a 773. I know that KE would have put a 744 on the route if allowed because their LAX-ICN is in such a high demand.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 22799 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
Any chance the A380 could continue from LAX to GRU? KE currently operates a 3 weekly ICN-LAX-GRU B772. I guess the chance would be remote...

Doubtfull. With only a pair of 380s, they will focus on the ICN-LAX-ICN turn flights.

I agree but since they are in LAX it would not hurt sending them down to GRU and making a show off...

Rgs,


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21519 times:

As a resident of the Greater Los Angeles area, I will be happy to see KAL's new A380 service to LAX


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33052 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21503 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 14):
agree but since they are in LAX it would not hurt sending them down to GRU and making a show off...


Making a show of what? GRU is not one of the key long-haul destinations in KE's network. There is no reasons to send an A380, when it has only average loads in the first place.

[Edited 2009-06-11 15:46:26]


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21298 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Making a show of what? GRU is not one of the key long-haul destinations in KE's network. There is no reasons to send an A380, when it has only average loads in the first place.

KE has now been flying this route for one year. You mention that LF's on this route are average. Do you have any viable statistical information to back that up? I am very curious to see what the actual LF has been in the past year. If you or anyone else has this information, could you please post it here?



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21283 times:

While ICN-LAX maybe the first true A380 route. It does require two aircraft to do a daily turn.
The first aircraft may operate on regional routes such as ICN-NRT, PVG or PEK before the second aircraft arrives.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21199 times:
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LAX is the obvious first A380 destination for Korean. Its the only city outside Asia they serve multiple times daily.

User currently offline4EVERVARIG From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21199 times:



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 18):
KE has now been flying this route for one year. You mention that LF's on this route are average. Do you have any viable statistical information to back that up? I am very curious to see what the actual LF has been in the past year. If you or anyone else has this information, could you please post it here?

I believe we had a discussion on this topic a while ago, and I remember several confirming that KE had an average load factor between 90 to 110 passengers per flight. I confirmed this info with my colleague @ KE in LAX station. I was told that KE61/62 operates half empty between LAX and GRU, while LAX and ICN are filled to capacity.


User currently offlineARMEDnPISSED From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20991 times:

Will this be for the morning/afternoon 17/18 flight or the afternoon/night 11/12 flight?

User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20768 times:
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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 4):
They have well over a year to get ready. This should be enough to make a good strategic plan for the initiation, even if it doesn't mean that gates, arrival halls and so on have been completely reworked for the A380.

(Remote) Gate 206 was closed last week for passenger boarding bridge modifications for the A380. If we see three A380s at once, the remotes will definitely be in use.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 20172 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
LAX is the obvious first A380 destination for Korean. Its the only city outside Asia they serve multiple times daily.

JFK is served twice daily (14x weekly).



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17033 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Making a show of what? GRU is not one of the key long-haul destinations in KE's network. There is no reasons to send an A380, when it has only average loads in the first place.

I was just joking, come one. Take it easy. Perhaps KE could make a show of the A380 in MIA. Ops...I forgot KE does not operate MIA...

Rgs,


25 Scouseflyer : Until Iraqi Airways orders a couple and paints them green
26 Ikramerica : They are ready. There are 2 A380 gates at TBIT. There is one remote stand being upgraded with a third jetway, but the A380 could board from other rem
27 BrouAviation : Well, if further delays are announced, I'm sure there will be some companies willing to change slots, making KE receiving their A380 in time.
28 YULWinterSkies : No, it would be disappointing to see more delays simply because it is not good for Airbus, the airlines and their operations. You never know, just in
29 AirKorea : No Doubt. Just as I thought, ICN-LAX is the most lucrative route and there ha been in great demand. There are a lot of transit passigers from LAX head
30 SurfandSnow : EK has also hinted that the NY flights have not done so well. Yes, I know there are 2 flights a day from JFK vs. 1 from LAX, but still, JFK has seen
31 4EVERVARIG : In theory, California taxpayers, or the city of Los Angeles taxpayers wouldn't pay for these improvements as the airport operations, according to the
32 Ikramerica : True. But there is a limited amount of money to go around, other improvements need to be made, and at some point, money comes from the taxpayer, even
33 4EVERVARIG : Believe me...I share your views about the politics and politicians in the Great State of California, especially in the Los Angeles basin area... howe
34 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Yes they do, but cargo only. 3 744Fs a week, 2 stop in DFW and 1 in IAH. View Large View MediumPhoto © Carlos Aleman - SJU Aviation Photography
35 AADC10 : Airports do not work that way. Because most major airports get a significant amount of funds from the FAA, there are very specific rules about where
36 Hardiwv : In this case we probably expect the B77W to operate LAX-GRU. It is worth noting that Korea-Brazil revised their bilateral and KE can now upgrade freq
37 4EVERVARIG : A couple of years ago, when KE first ventured into GRU, it used to have a schedule where it left LAX around 2pm arriving next day at around 5 or 6am
38 Hardiwv : The situation as you know has changed and now most carriers leave their aircraft on the ground in GRU for 8h or more. JAL for example arrives at 7am
39 4EVERVARIG : Hardiw...somehow we will disagree on almost everything. Please do not take it personally. You and I know that most US and European carriers do not si
40 Hardiwv : This is not correct. Lets look at the facts and figures: European airlines parking aircraft the whole day in GRU: AF IB LX (A343, the leg to SCL was
41 Pellegrine : Good for KE, I want to see their big robin egg blue plane. Other issues at play here. There's more competition in NYC to eat away at EK's connecting p
42 HALFA : Hardi, Great post! I was thinking the same thing as you, that MOST airlines are parking their aircraft all day in GRU. Thank you for backing it up wi
43 LACA773 : Is there really a need for EK to bring their 388s into LAX? Does their single flight have that much of a demand?
44 4EVERVARIG : Not that I want to be picky...but just a partial info I gathered during my break researching in the SABRE System... LX 092 ZRH/GRU/EZE ZRH (DEP 2240)
45 4EVERVARIG : Could it possibly be that perhaps the fares offered from LAX to GRU (US$608.50 as of 06/01 on Y) are lower than the fares offered from GRU to LAX whi
46 Hardiwv : The above is incorrect as the legs from GRU to EZE/GIG are codeshare. AZ, LH, LX all terminate in GRU. AZ terminates in GRU and has not operated in G
47 4EVERVARIG : I will certainly forward your opinions to the powers at Korean Air.
48 4EVERVARIG : It is not "my" information. SABRE list their flights as operated by their own aircraft. Especially if LH and LX do codeshare with JJ, wouldn't the se
49 Hardiwv : If this is the case SABRE is giving you incorrect information or you are not looking right. I can guarantee 100% that LH, LX, AZ all terminate in GRU
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