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Indian Aviation Thread:Part 81  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16396 times:

Just saw on TV that Kingfisher Airline is in talk with SQ to offload 26% stake in advance of policy change to allow foreign airlines to take upto 26% stake in Indian carriers.

204 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16387 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
ust saw on TV that Kingfisher Airline is in talk with SQ to offload 26% stake in advance of policy change to allow foreign airlines to take upto 26% stake in Indian carriers.

If the above deal goes through, will 9W be forced to seek a non Star Alliance partner? What will happen to AI's proposed entry into Star?


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16374 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 1):
If the above deal goes through, will 9W be forced to seek a non Star Alliance partner? What will happen to AI's proposed entry into Star?

Why would that be the case? As for AI - I think it has been accepted already - isn't it? It is the actual start date that is fluid given AI's inability to streamline its systems after AI/IC merger and bring them up to par with other *A partners...isn't it?


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16248 times:



Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 2):
Why would that be the case? As for AI - I think it has been accepted already - isn't it? It is the actual start date that is fluid given AI's inability to streamline its systems after AI/IC merger and bring them up to par with other *A partners...isn't it?

Not sure about the status of AI's Star Alliance entry status. It's possible that Star would end up having both IT and AI in the alliance.

I also heard that the concept of panel of empowered ministers has been done away with. PP will have a free hand in making important decisions on Aviation policy.


User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16230 times:

nothing but a media hype by VJM.... SQ is not going to pump money into a company has no clear business model...
operating a LCC & Full service under the same roof what a joke...


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16199 times:



Quoting LeftWing (Reply 4):
operating a LCC & Full service under the same roof what a joke...

SOP in India now. I don't think it will be SQ but more likely Temasek



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

Whats the news on quikjet?
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15974 times:

Jet Airways, JetLite, SpiceJet reduce airfares by about 48 per cent to increase passenger load on domestic routes

http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/jet-...enger-load-on-domestic-routes-6898

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Jet Airways, JetLite and SpiceJet have cut airfares by about 48 per cent to increase the falling passenger load factor on domestic routes. SpiceJet has cut fares by up to 45-48 per cent for passengers travelling between July 1, 2009 and September 15, 2009. A passenger can now fly by SpiceJet from Mumbai to Delhi, Bangalore, Kolkata, Hyderabad and Chennai sectors for Rs 1,830, one-way, all inclusive. The offer is valid for travel to 18 destinations on the SpiceJet network on all direct flights. The all-inclusive fares on offer include passenger service fees and relevant airport charges. A SpiceJet ticket from Mumbai to Delhi on July 1, 2009 currently costs Rs 3,579, including taxes. According to an Economic Times report by Mithun Roy, in order to avail the promotional offer, one has to book tickets by today to avail them.

Another fare war begins. Merry times for the customers, however, bad times for the airlines.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15962 times:

AAI may miss deadline of modernisation of non-metro airports

http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/aai-...nisation-of-nonmetro-airports-6860

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According to a PTI report, Airports Authority of India (AAI) may miss the deadline for modernisation of non-metro airport projects as much of the city-side development work is yet to be taken up. An official source informed that AAI has so far only completed upgradation of nine out of 35 projects taken up for modernisation by the government. Among the projects which have been completed include Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Aurangabad, Dehradun, Jaipur, Nagpur, Trichy, Udaipur and Vishakhapatnam. AAI has undertaken development of 35 non-metro airport projects and it was decided that terminals will be built in phases.

“The target set was development of 12 non-metro airports by March 2008 and another nine by March 2009. The remaining 14 were to be built by March 2010,” said the official, adding that only nine non-metro airports can be developed so far. The official said that apart from 35 non-metro airports, the AAI has initiated development of 13 other airports but could complete upgradation of only nine such small airports. These include Akola, Belgaum, Kozhikode (Calicut), Dibrugarh, Gondia, Hubli, Kullu, Srinagar and Surat.

IT would be great, if they complete all these projects with a delay of one or two years. We need the infrastructure badly.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15819 times:



Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Just saw on TV that Kingfisher Airline is in talk with SQ to offload 26% stake in advance of policy change to allow foreign airlines to take upto 26% stake in Indian carriers.

How credible is the following piece of news (still a rumour??)

Quote:

Kingfisher, British Airways Said To Be Talking About Investment Deal

As the debate over foreign direct investment in Indian airlines heats up, cash-strapped Kingfisher Airlines may be in talks with British Airways for an investment, The DAILY has learned. A 49% equity would give BA a board seat, while control would remain with the Indian carrier. BA refused to comment, and a Kingfisher spokesman said, "We've not offered any comment on this subject recently to any media house." India's present policy allows investment of up to 49% in Indian airlines but not by foreign carriers. The signs may be there that the situation is changing because starting June 1, Kingfisher began participating in oneworld's Global Explorer round-the-world fare, available to airlines that, like British Airways, are members of the alliance. Non-member airlines of the Explorer program include Aer Lingus, Air Pacific, Alaska Airlines, Horizon Airlines and Gulf Air.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...-with-kingfisher-rumour-25472.aspx


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15682 times:

There's a thread on a.net about AI delaying paychecks by 15 days....how true is it...? Is AI in such a cash crunch....?

User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15638 times:

It is apparently true - been reported widely in Indian media:

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-n...-salary-payment-by-15-days/476261/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...y-15-days-/articleshow/4655663.cms


User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15531 times:

BA%20Deal%20Rumored&channel=comm" target=_blank>http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...20BA%20Deal%20Rumored&channel=comm

KFA - BA in talks...


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15517 times:



Quoting LeftWing (Reply 12):
KFA - BA in talks...

By the end of the week Kingfisher would be talking to SQ, BA, LH, VS, QF, AF-KL, EK, QE, GF, EY and god knows who else. The ol' man has to raise dosh to keep the airline afloat, so everybody and PE investors...



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15514 times:

MoCA releases data of domestic passengers carried by Indian scheduled airlines in May 2009

http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/moca...cheduled-airlines-in-may-2009-6928

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According to a PIB release issued by Ministry of Civil Aviation (MoCA), the total number of domestic passengers carried by the scheduled airlines of India in the month of May 2009 was 39.29 lakh. The total passengers carried by domestic airlines in the month of April 2009 was 33.15 lakh. Passengers carried by domestic airlines from January-May, 2009 were 173.34 lakh as against 194.11 lakh in the corresponding period of 2008 thereby registering a negative growth of – 10.70 per cent.

The break-up for the month of May 2009 is as follows: Air India (Domestic): 6.90 lakh, Jet Airways: 6.16 lakh, JetLite: 2.96 lakh, Kingfisher Airlines: 10.10 lakh, SpiceJet: 4.96 lakh, Paramount Airways: 0.82 lakh, GoAir: 1.88 lakh, IndiGo: 5.40 lakh.

Market share
    1. Kingfisher Airlines: 25.7%
    2. Air India (Domestic): 17.6%
    3. Jet Airways: 15.7%
    4. IndiGo: 13.7%
    5. SpiceJet: 12.6%
    6. JetLite: 7.5%
    7. GoAir: 4.8%
    8. Paramount Airways: 2.1%


Seat/Load Factor
    1. Paramount Airways: 89.4%
    2. IndiGo: 85.1%
    3. GoAir: 84.2%
    4. Spice Jet: 79.1%
    5. JetLite: 77.4%
    6. Kingfisher Airlines: 72.9%
    7. Jet Airways: 69.2%
    8. Air India (Domestic): 69.1%


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15480 times:

Kingfisher plans UAE flights from several Indian cities

Quote:
Kingfisher Airlines, which is due to launch its services to Dubai starting June 25, plans to connect to the UAE from a number of cities in India during the course of the year, according to a senior airline executive.

The India-based carrier, which was originally scheduled to launch the Bangaluru-Dubai route on March 7, deferred it given the slowdown in air travel and declining airfares.

A daily Bangaluru-Dubai service later this month would be followed by a direct flight from Bangaluru to Abu Dhabi soon after, said Siva Ramachandran, Kingfisher Airlines' Vice-President for Global Sales.

He said the airline is currently evaluating options for connecting Dubai with at least three more Indian cities -- Delhi, Thiruvananthapuram and Hyderabad, despite economic crisis.

"All these services to Dubai will start this year itself. Meanwhile, we also may look to connect Thiruvananthapuram with Abu Dhabi following that," Ramachandran told Emirates Business.

Kingfisher Airlines' move comes close on the heels of archrival Jet Airways' plans of launching four new Indian routes from Dubai in the next two months. Jet Airways, which launched operations to the UAE last year with daily direct flights to Abu Dhabi in April, followed by Dubai in August, recently said it is planning to launch flights to Indian cities of Hyderabad, Kochi, Thiruvananthapuram and Mangalore.

Regarding the expansion within the Middle East, Kingfisher Airlines is weighing options for launching flights to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait this year, said Ramachandran.

"It is possible that we will start flights to Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait this year itself, as part of our expansion plan for the Middle East. We are currently evaluating options for the same," he said.

He said the second phase of the airline's expansion in the Middle East will include starting services to "Doha, Bahrain and Muscat".

"For all this expansion, we need more aircraft and we need to ensure these evaluations are closer to reality," said Ramachandran.

IT should not be BLR centric and explore operating flights from cities of Kerela, HYD and Lukhnow as well.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15481 times:

Indigo, GoAir and Paramount break away from India's airline pack. Jet Airways shrinking fast

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...k-jet-airways-shrinking-fast/page1

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India's leading LCC, Indigo, continued to break away from its rivals last month, reporting a very strong 85.1% load factor and 12% increase in passenger numbers to 540,000. Only business-focused regional jet operator, Paramount, had a better load factor, of 89.4% (and 74% increase in pax to 82,000), while rival LCC, GoAir, also did well with an 84.2% load factor and 16.8% increase in passenger numbers to 188,000. SpiceJet reported a 79.1% load factor and 11.7% increase in passenger numbers to 496,000.

Nice report by CAPA. Indigo has always impressed and amused me with their expansion and growth. However, never got a chance to fly them.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15430 times:



Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 16):
Jet Airways shrinking fast

9W's upper management is entirely to blame. They spent good money buying expensive widebodies and launched international routes all over the place with pathetic or unsustainable load factors.

Now these are not bad moves for an airline with solid fundamentals that is looking to expand into a clearly defined market. But I suspect that 9W's fundamentals were shaky even before the expansion. They obviously hadn't planned for the rainy days of the economic downturn.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15323 times:

i think i agree with the first para of your post Boeing747_600.

They launched routes to already saturated markets, why not launch something not tapped by AI (the sole N. American Indian carrier)-IAD, IAH, YVR, even ORD (though now AI has their B77W via FRA).

I wouldn't have been surprised if these markets gave the 77W decent loads rather than flying into Toronto and NY.

I don't think anyone in the Indian airline industry has someone who is solely dedicated to finding the right route network for their carriers.

Having said that, how are the LFs on 9W's BRU-EWR, YYZ, JFK routes??



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15317 times:

The mistake that 9W made was that they were truly obsessed with the USA routes , BRU hub and all that. They are barely managing 3X3 operation from India to USA via BRU.

They were basically on the right track. Their expansion to the USA was planned well before, but some assorted routes like BOM - HKG, DEL - BKK, CCU - BKK, BOM - BKK and the sudden freedom to launch the gulf routes made the expansion look ridiculous.

No Indian airline would leave the opportunity to fly to the gulf, however the HKG launch could have been delayed, and the unfortunate disaster of BOM - PVG - SFO was there too.

Given the plight of the USA routes, I'd rather suggest 9W to suspend EWR,JFK and put those aircrafts on flights to JED and RUH. Trust me those aircrafts will make more money at Saudi than in the USA.



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15294 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 19):
Given the plight of the USA routes, I'd rather suggest 9W to suspend EWR,JFK and put those aircrafts on flights to JED and RUH. Trust me those aircrafts will make more money at Saudi than in the USA.

with AI putting all its B744 on Saudi route, even that is saturated.



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15289 times:



Quoting Aseem (Reply 20):
with AI putting all its B744 on Saudi route, even that is saturated.

Well, AI is putting the B744 only on 2 routes CCJ - JED and HYD - JED where the demand even as of today is HUGE. RUH has been seeing the B744 for sometime now.

For Saudi market to be saturated it would require a couple of more carriers, and besides given the options people have SV,AI I'am sure 9W has a better reputation. Besides it is a regulated market with strict bilaterals, so no airline can offer ridiculous fares on routes between India and Saudi. This would ensure decent yields.



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15207 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 19):
Given the plight of the USA routes, I'd rather suggest 9W to suspend EWR,JFK and put those aircrafts on flights to JED and RUH. Trust me those aircrafts will make more money at Saudi than in the USA.

Bingo...absolutely true.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 20):
with AI putting all its B744 on Saudi route, even that is saturated.

Nope...not true...still difficult to get non-stop flights if not booked well in advance.

Quoting Ojas (Reply 21):
For Saudi market to be saturated it would require a couple of more carriers, and besides given the options people have SV,AI I'am sure 9W has a better reputation.

Agree...however, 9W cannot remain BOM and DEL centric for saudi sector, this will backfire as passengers on this sector prefers non-stop flights.


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15205 times:

AAI plans to levy UDF charge on passengers flying from Kolkata and Chennai airports

http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/aai-...-kolkata-and-chennai-airports-6940

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Airport Authority of India (AAI) is planning to levy User Development Fee (UDF) charge on passengers flying out from Chennai and Kolkata to make up for the steep rise in the two airport’s modernisation costs. An official from the Ministry of Civil Aviation (MoCA) said, “We may propose to the Public Investment Board (PIB) for levying development fee at Kolkata and Chennai airports.” He said that the revised estimate of developing the two airports is Rs 5,000 crore now, up from the earlier estimate of Rs 3,750 crore.

Not a good time at all, considering the fall in traffic. This will put more pressure on the loss making airlines.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15100 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 21):
Well, AI is putting the B744 only on 2 routes CCJ - JED and HYD - JED where the demand even as of today is HUGE. RUH has been seeing the B744 for sometime now.

According to this website, AI goes through some hideously contorted procedure of having B744 captains and first officers take IC domestic flights from BOM and DEL to TRV and CCJ to operate some of the Saudia flights. Wouldn't it be easier to base some of the B744 crew at TRV and CCJ?

Likewise, what the heck is with those BOM-AMD and DEL-BOM flights?!? Seems like a rather chaotic flight schedule.

Moreover, wouldnt it be cheaper to turn in some of the b744s and lease some 762/763s to operate the Middle East flights?


25 Ojas : AI to upgrade BOM/DEL - JED to a B744 from September 1. Which means all AI flights to JED will now be a B744. AI will have 14 flights to India from JE
26 Aviationbuff : Great to see the capacity increase, however, frequency increase with smaller aircraft would have been even more fruitful. For JED-HYD sector the days
27 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Japan Airlines to reduce flights to Delhi from next month http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/japa...ghts-to-delhi-from-next-month-6973 JAL's second frequ
28 Post contains links Aviationbuff : 9W and IT hikes fuel surcharge by Rs 400 on domestic sectors Domestic private air carrier's Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines increased their fuel s
29 Cricket : This is the worst possible time to add fuel surcharges though with the Monsoon slump kicking in!
30 Post contains links Vtnyc : An article about Indian aviation in New York Times NEW DELHI — Kingfisher Airlines of India promised passengers the royal treatment — flight atten
31 Post contains links Cricket : Paramount orders 10 A321's Paramount Commits To 10 A321 (by Cricket Jun 19 2009 in Civil Aviation)
32 Post contains links Nimish : Not exactly commits/ orders given it's just an MoU as per 10 A321s For Paramount Aw India (by FCKC Jun 19 2009 in Civil Aviation)
33 Cricket : Airbus does not seem to be using the term 'ordered' anymore - I think they'll go ahead with this order
34 Ojas : Beginning 16th August, 9W to go double daily on BOM - BKK route. 9W 068 BOM - BKK 1245 1840 4h25m 9W 067 BKK - BOM 2040 2230 4h20m Operated by a B737-
35 AirIndia : LHR-BKK is a very busy sector. EK makes a killing on this route esp now with a 380 product all the way. Is 9W looking to gain some of that traffic? W
36 Gr8Circle : I don't think most people care about what they're flying on as long as the fares and the overall reputation of the airline are good....may make a dif
37 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India fighting for survival: CMD Employees have called for an indefinite strike from July 1 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...rvival-CMD/arti
38 Pe@rson : Spicejet had a fantastic deal the other week: I could get BOM-BLR-CCU-DEL-PNQ-MAA, a distance of 3,107nm as the crow flies, for around INR3567 all-in.
39 Pe@rson : More Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis live and work in Saudi Arabia than any other Gulf country (the UAE is the second-largest). Yet there is li
40 LeftWing : ...blessing for all other airlines in India...they can finally put down the sick animal..
41 Cricket : Congratulations to PP, his plot has succeeded, but if the airline goes does go does PP
42 HAWK21M : There will be some bail out package on the way regds MEL.
43 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Govt: Cash-strapped AI must prune order for new planes http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...new-planes/articleshow/4682343.cms Its sad to hear that
44 Post contains links Aviationbuff : AAI decides to put Kingfisher Airlines on cash-and-carry mode from June 30, 2009 http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/aai-...dcarry-mode-from-june-30-2009-
45 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India to cut employee costs by up to Rs 500cr a year http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...0cr-a-year/articleshow/4686988.cms They also need to r
46 Rajrs : Air India / SAA Launch codesharing with effect from 15JUN09 Air India and South African Airways has launched codeshare .The codeshare covers SAA servi
47 LeftWing : ...think its part of a bigger plan to tank AI and sell it to the "highest" bidder aka PP's mates...
48 Post contains links Aviationbuff : GMR Follows AAI ..... GMR says it may put Kingfisher on cash & carry http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report...ngfisher-on-cash-and-carry_1267895
49 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Jet flies into Rs400 crore tax trouble http://www.livemint.com/2009/06/2400...et-flies-into-Rs400-crore-tax.html The never ending saga of problems for
50 Post contains links Aviationbuff : ASI has asked the IIGI authority to immediately change the third runway's flight path As the vibrations from low flying aircraft causing damage to Qut
51 Cricket : Praful Patel has called a Presser at 5.30PM to state about the discussions with PM about AI. There are strong indications that AI will be whittled dow
52 Aviationbuff : Will wait for an update......
53 Post contains links AirIndia : flydubai will begin its Indian adventure with flights to the north eastern city of Lucknow on July 13. This will be closely followed by Coimbatore in
54 Mk777 : When the 3rd rwy was in the planning stage, was the ASI called in for a meeting to discuss this situation??? I find it very stupid that suddenly the
55 AirIndia : Can they not make landings on this Rwy mandatory from dwarka side only...? Is that a feasible option rather than losing either the rwy or qutab minar
56 Aviationbuff : Runways can be built/realigned but not Qutub Minar. Either use this runway from other side or only for take-offs.
57 Mk777 : In the future development plan of DEL, isn't there another rwy parallel to this new one mentioned too, i guess that one won't be built then? I also f
58 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Multi-million dollar US lawsuit against Air India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...fety-norms/articleshow/4695773.cms
59 Post contains links Aviationbuff : We'll bail out a leaner, trimmer AI: Govt Indian Government To Bailout AI (by Aviationbuff Jun 24 2009 in Civil Aviation)
60 Ammunition : Any chance the amount of taxes/fees may be reduced to help stimulate the market?
61 Rajrs : Some Lufthansa's India route updates. Lufthansa swaps 330 with 737 on Munich - Mumbai Lufthansa's Munich - Mumbai service starting 15JUL09 to 24OCT09,
62 Tharanga : More all-business to India? I guess the FRA-PUN run is doing well?
63 Nimish : More likely it's the smallest bird they have around - rather fly a half empty 737 than a half empty 333. Plus this should have the impact of increasi
64 Boeing747_600 : No changes to any eqpt on FRA-BOM/DEL/BLR/MAA/HYD/CCU sectors?
65 Rajrs : FRA-BLR reduced to 6 wkly fro Oct 09 ,but no eqpt change. FRA-PNQ A319 to B737-800 from 8Jul09. Rajrs.
66 Post contains links Rajrs : AI allowed staff to work for rival airlines http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/A...l-airlines/articleshow/4704499.cms Air India has allowed its employ
67 Post contains links Rajrs : Govt replaces speed sensors in all A330s. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...s-in-A330s/articleshow/4703813.cms The government has got speed senso
68 Post contains links Rajrs : Birmingham wants Air India to resume flights http://www.emgonline.co.uk/news.php?news=5935 Business and civic leaders in the west Midlands have urged
69 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Some threads discussing Indian Aviation 9W Likely To Join OneWorld 9W Likely To Join OneWorld (by Rajrs Jun 26 2009 in Civil Aviation) BA Performing B
70 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Modernisation of Chennai Airport to be complete by next year http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/mode...t-to-be-complete-by-next-year-7117 Some more updat
71 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Integrated terminal at Mangalore Airport to be operational in September this year http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/inte...tional-in-september-this-year
72 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Kingfisher plane wing hits wall, escapes major disaster http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...s-disaster/articleshow/4710500.cms Sounds scary and cou
73 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India offers special monsoon fares http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...soon-fares/articleshow/4710268.cms The fare war continues. The knives ar
74 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India announces rescheduled services from Chennai airport from July 15, 2009 http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/air-...nai-airport-from-july-15-2009-
75 Gr8Circle : Either that wall is very dangerously located near the taxiway or the pilot made an inexcusable deviation and got too close to the wall....such incide
76 Boeing747_600 : I take it type is still a 744.
77 Post contains links Freqflyer : 2 articles in yesterdays Times of India newspaper, on the new International terminal at AMD http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/C...ike-a-kite/articles
78 Post contains links Aviationbuff : SpiceJet reports sharp increase in full-year net losses http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rease-in-full-year-net-losses.html Good to hear that Q1
79 Rajrs : Correct. It is still 747-400. Rajrs.
80 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India, unions to hold talks this afternoon http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...-on-July-6/articleshow/4715402.cms Apart from the above mentione
81 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India employees to get salary without cuts on July 3 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/A...-on-July-3/articleshow/4717078.cms Finally the strike
82 HAWK21M : Any details on the Nationality/Registration marks. regds MEL.
83 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Oil companies hike jet fuel prices by 6% effective midnight http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...hiked-by-6/articleshow/4720102.cms The saga of bad
84 Mk777 : So the latest AI B772LR has been delivered last week (VT-ALF). Any ideas when this plane will commence its first commercial operation or has it alread
85 Ojas : Adding to the above it maybe seen at DXB or at LHR
86 Post contains links Aviationbuff : GoAir adds two new connections, Bangalore-Delhi and Bangalore-Mumbai Also introduces new flight timings for Ahmedabad, Delhi, Mumbai and Bangalore sec
87 LAXDESI : What is GoAir's fleet strength with the addition of eight brand new A320s? I thought GoAir was in financial trouble and was looking for a buyer. Are
88 Mk777 : Does anyone have the delivery schedule for AI's 777's?? I know VT-ALF was delivered on June 23rd. what about VT-ALG/H?? Also, from matt cawby's websit
89 Ammunition : Are there many domestic widebody routes?
90 Ojas : By October AI will get all of its 8 LRs and 9 B77Ws. In addition it will have 6 B744s and 4 B772s, 2 A332s and some A310s. The 8 B77L:- AI has announc
91 Post contains links Pe@rson : AI operates 744s and 313s on various domestic routes; visit www.airindia.com and use its timetable section. I will not give you the information Mr Am
92 Ojas : BOM - HYD 2 weekly B744 continuing to JED BOM - CCJ 5 weekly B744 continuing to JED BOM - DEL 4 weekly B772 till Aug and will go to B744 in September
93 Mk777 : Thanks ojas for your wonderful explanation of AI's a/c utilization. I am hoping IAD will someday be on AI's mind. Glad to know they kept their CDG fli
94 Ojas : I never implied the B744s to be used to NBO,PVG or HKG - KIX. These destinations are A332 suitable and in the future B787s ( If at all the B787s ever
95 Mk777 : I was merely asking a question, not implicating you at all... So, maybe AI needed to order some A332's for these routes, however, they didn't know th
96 Comorin : I'm planning a visit to eat 'Langra' mangoes in DEL in 2 weeks (please leave some for me!) and have some questions about Monsoon flying: 1. Schedules:
97 Ammunition : Thanks for this info, and great post on Air India flights. Are there any domestic IT/9W widebody routes? or any foreign airlines flying domestic?
98 Ojas : Thank you. Kingfisher --no. 9W does throw an occasional B77W between BOM and DEL but those are mostly positioning flights. There is no fixed schedule
99 LeftWing : it depends of the weather conditions...yes on high flight levels you do get CB storm clusters which the pilots can monitor from on board radar they f
100 Post contains links Cricket : I know that Shankkar met PP last week, so this story of AI canecelling the last 7 77W's must be true... http://indiatoday.intoday.in/index.p...=com_co
101 Aviationbuff : AI should have hired you much earlier and they might have saved several millions. Your words are logical. Probably they had some plans for expansion
102 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Jet Airways, Kingfisher Airlines begin sharing infrastructure at Mumbai and Delhi airports To also begin code sharing this month http://www.travelbizm
103 Comorin : Thank you for your response! Even though the pax were on edge, fortunately he TOGA'd because of visibility rather than wind. It was quite the downpou
104 Post contains links Boeing747_600 : According to this site it looks like AI 825 is a triangular BOM-RUH-TRV routing operated by the B744.
105 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Young pilots move court against Air India recruitment process http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...against-AI/articleshow/4737442.cms The unexpected
106 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India won't sack employees: Praful Patel http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...aful-Patel/articleshow/4738344.cms
107 Ojas : That is operational information, rather the scheduling of the B744. They go BOM - RUH on one flight number and probably the same crew goes back to TR
108 Ojas : Thanks It did. Seriously speaking the delay in B787s are the reason to keep the A310s alive still. The B787s were a perfect replacement for AI's A310
109 Aviationbuff : I agree with you as the 787 are the perfect replacement for A310's and I am waiting for 787 to fly in AI's livery. 787 are supposed to replace A310's
110 Nimish : I'd take the chance, especially if it's a personal visit. I don't think AI's going to be allowed to go down, plus hopefully they can transfer tickete
111 Comorin : Thanks Nimish! I'll be doing my flight planning today. I'd be most grateful for any opinions on Monsoon flying - should I pad in some time for delaye
112 Ojas : As of now only DMM sees A310s in the entire Gulf. Their priorities will however go to HKG-KIX, NBO,PVG and some new medium haul destinations.
113 Nimish : BOM has seen a few monsoon related shut downs in the past, but I can't recall similar incidents in other parts of the country.
114 WestWing : Is there a website or resource anyone knows, that can accurately inform on how many active aircraft of the AI and IC fleet are still in "older" liveri
115 Comorin : Appreciate the info! I'm all set now for my 'Mango+ Chaat- Tummy Upset' Yatra Cheers
116 Nimish : Not the suggestion you're looking for I'm sure, but still do look up flickr for picture streams on Indian aircraft - you should be able to find what
117 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Domestic traffic leads the slump at BIAL http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...leads-the-slump-at-bengaluru/page1 The domestic traffic is falling ver
118 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Other threads discussing Indian Aviation: SV Plane Tyres Burst On Landing In Mumbai SV Plane Tyres Burst On Landing In Mumbai (by Aviationbuff Jul 6 2
119 HAWK21M : Normally theres always a couple of days in the monsoon when Mumbai airport shuts down in heavy rain & low visibility. regds MEL.
120 Comorin : MEL, I have routed my trip thru DEL next week so it should be better? Regards
121 Comorin : Sorry to bug everyone but which airlines fly DEL-BLR out of the new terminal in DEL? Thanks again.
122 Golfradio : Guys, how is Deccan 360 doing? The last I heard was their DEL - HKG service with the A310F. And what do you think of the current air cargo market? Dec
123 Post contains links Nimish : http://www.newdelhiairport.in/airline-information.asp New one is 1D...
124 Post contains links Aviationbuff : flydubai’s operations to Chandigarh faces glitch http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/flyd...ns-to-chandigarh-faces-glitch-7292 http://www.ameinfo.com/20
125 Post contains links Aviationbuff : AI launches multi-user four coupon ticket ‘Quick Returns’ for economy travel within the country http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/05/stories/2009070550
126 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Kingfisher Airlines launches direct flight between Pune-Goa http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...n-Pune-Goa/articleshow/4746181.cms PNQ - GOA will b
127 Post contains links PNQIAD : Revamp of AI brass in 30 days: Patel Seems like AI is in for a major revamp. Global ad to be put out for a new COO and several heads likely to roll. A
128 COKFlyer : Revamp of AI brass in 30 days: Patel Finally!!! Hope this will make the airline profitable ! what is the current ratio of staff : aircraft ? AI could
129 WestWing : Is it even possible to terminate a Govt. of India employee for poor performance in 30 days?
130 Post contains links LAXDESI : AI staff will be redeployed, size to be cut by half. http://www.expressindia.com/latest-n...yed-size-to-be-cut-by-half/487153/ Quote: The government i
131 WestWing : I guess the GoI is trying to do what it can in the situation when no one can be laid-off or fired for bad performance. But... 1. Despite the fact tha
132 HAWK21M : BZ/DHL has been in profits,thanks to the ground network & rescheduling of Flights.However loads are on the rise these dauys.so future seems good. Qui
133 Kiwiandrew : thanks for posting , I was amused by the extract above I wonder how they will become 'profit centres' if they are being required to absorb several th
134 Golfradio : Thanks Mel. Does India Post also use any commercial flights or private charters?
135 LAXDESI : I believe these MROs are not fully staffed yet. Furthermore, these MROs will take away business from non-Indian MROs which are currently being used b
136 Ojas : China Southern Airlines to increase DEL - CAN from 3pw to daily, using B757. Also IT to start CCU - BKK from 14th August IT 021 CCU - BKK 1120 1515 2h
137 AirIndia : cant really compete as its an LCC and IT's standards are way up there with 9W and TG.
138 Ojas : As long as AIX carries passengers, it is competition.
139 Ojas : Correction, it is 3 weekly by AIX and not daily
140 Post contains links AirIndia : well yes, at the broadest level it is competition. no denying that, but would IT/9W flying gentry fly AIX? Any updates on FlyDubai's chandigarh opera
141 Gr8Circle : If the price is right, they certainly will....
142 Cricket : And that is CCU a very, very price-sensitive market! Wonder why IT is not using one of their A321's - I noticed VT-KFW on the 'new' apron at DEL with
143 HAWK21M : They do use Bz/Dhl too.I'm sure other Airlines too.I know of AI though. Heard that Quikjet has decided to shutdown before commencing ops,can anyone c
144 Golfradio : Supposedly the Tata's had equity in it. With that kind of backing, how come this is a stillborn? edit for spelling[Edited 2009-07-10 10:18:46]
145 Aarbee : Any idea, on whether this is a government restriction ? This is funny. The new terminal to be open in 2010, will be maxed out by 2012-2013. Still no
146 Aarbee : Is AI integrated into *A ? Do they provide trips IAD-FRA-AMD (LH/UA-AI) ? Thanks, R
147 AirIndia : So that makes me wonder, why the LCCs dont serve CCU from the gulf? EK is the only direct CCU-gulf flight. Is it the size of the market? or the dista
148 Ojas : Quite simply there isn't any market out there for CCU. There aren't many business links between CCU and the gulf. GF tried this route but failed mise
149 Ojas : 9W to start HYD - DXB from 16th August 9W 550 HYD - DXB 0840 1120 4hrs 10mins 9W 549 DXB - HYD 1200 1710 3hrs 40mins Aircraft: B737-800
150 Tharanga : It's the metro that got left behind.
151 Blrsea : tharanga, totally off topic, but in kannada language, tharanga means ripples/waves. When I saw your user name, it reminded me of a popular weekly maga
152 Tharanga : I did not know that. Well, you learn something everyday. I am just a fan of the sri lankan cricketer.
153 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Karnataka government retains Maytas Infra as developer for Greenfield airports at Gulbarga and Shimoga http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/karn...ports-at
154 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Patel defends airport user fee http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...t-user-fee/articleshow/4764495.cms This is the industry standard, however, the d
155 Post contains links Aviationbuff : No proposal to privatise Air India and Airport Authority of India: Civil Aviation Minister http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/no-p...india-civil-aviation
156 Post contains links Aviationbuff : AI grounds pilots over illegal flight http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...gal-flight/articleshow/4764841.cms This again showcase the apathy which A
157 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Threads discussing Indian Aviation IT To Terminate BLR - LHR And BLR - CMB IT To Terminate BLR - LHR And BLR - CMB (by Ojas Jul 11 2009 in Civil Aviat
158 HAWK21M : i thought it would be the Family of the flying crew,it turned out to be the family of a grd ops manager....Close Firstly the got the B733F,thereafter
159 Post contains links Aviationbuff : AI Set To Start Low-cost Service From September AI Set To Start Low-cost Service From September (by Aviationbuff Jul 14 2009 in Civil Aviation)
160 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Domestic passenger numbers increases by 5.7% http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...-domestic-recovery-for-india/page1 Positive news for the airlines
161 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India may suffer Rs 5000 cr loss: Govt http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/N...-loss-Govt/articleshow/4775815.cms
162 Ojas : 9W will launch their JED flights today, RUH is further delayed to 6th August where they will launch 4 weekly flights.
163 Post contains links WestWing : A new delivery VT-ALO (AI's sixth 77W) should be arriving in DEL from PAE in a few minutes as AI 164.
164 Aviationbuff : Any idea where it will be deployed....
165 Ojas : BOM-FRA-EWR or AMD-FRA either one of these routes
166 Aviationbuff : Great... Hope they start making money...
167 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Air India gets $1 billion loan to fund aircraft purchases http://www.flightglobal.com/staticpages/emailnewsletters.htm The funds will be used to pay f
168 Post contains links LeftWing : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/N...ilots-crew/articleshow/4778312.cms Air India pilots and air hostesses may soon fly to overseas destinations and
169 AirIndia : This is the most surprising part, coming forward themselves........ I saw on news yesterday, how in the Rajya Sabha while the opposition was question
170 WestWing : Take for example DEL-LHR-DEL. What is SOP in the industry is that a set of crew works the DEL-LHR flight on Monday, overnights in a hotel and then wor
171 Aviationbuff : I cannot believe it.......must be music to the ears of PP and CMD Before reading your post, I was also thinking the same.
172 Cricket : I think this would apply to the 5-hour regional sectors more than Europe, US. God knows what will happen..
173 WestWing : Good point. It would be interesting to know what the maximum flight duration threshold would be for it to be legal for the return flight-crew to trav
174 HAWK21M : When you face a shutdown in the future,One should try to assist the Airline to survive. regds MEL.
175 Gr8Circle : I think a better solution would have been to downgrade hotel accomodation and achieve savings thereby.....start using lower cost hotels....as such, ai
176 Post contains links Ojas : starting 1st September 9W 562 COK - SHJ 1045 1305 3hrs 50 mins 9W 561 SHJ - COK 1405 1935 4 hours Aircraft: B737-800 The route already has G9: double
177 777way : Martinair Cargo launched Chennai as AMS-SHJ-HKG-MAA-SHJ-AMS with a 744ERF from KLM, not sure which airlines colours its in. China Airlines Cargo resum
178 Tharanga : does anybody know of any pictures of vayudoot? i don't remember what the livery looked like, and i'd like to have a look.
179 Post contains links Gr8Circle : Check out this link.....that's all I could find.... http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/pf.htm
180 Post contains images WestWing : Answering my own question by looking at pics here is what I see re: 744 and 310 liveries: B744: New Livery: ESM, ESN. ESO, ESP, EVA. YPitS Livery: EV
181 Tharanga : " target=_blank>http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...f.htm thank you, that's a start. but with such a community of spotters and enthusiasts, surely
182 WestWing : Too late to edit my above post. Here is the summary of the new (= post-merger Air India) livery AI B744: 5 of 6 in new livery. AI B772: 1 of 1 in old
183 Karan69 : Westwing, I am pretty sure i have seen atleast 1 of the UA leased 772s in the new colour, IIRC VT-AIR the sole 772A has been in the new livery since S
184 WestWing : You are right of course! There are plenty of photos of AIR in new livery. Mea culpa. Thanks.
185 Post contains links Aviationbuff : IATA urges Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai Airports to waive off 'use it or lose it' rule Rule results in airlines flying with less than 40 per cent occupancy
186 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Let Air India fade away like HMT and IDPL http://blogs.timesofindia.com/Swamin...mics/entry/let-air-india-fade-away Interesting article in Times of In
187 LeftWing : ..... even the AI brand name is so poor it should really fade away.....marketing teams will have to spend billions to re-vamp the brand...
188 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Kingfisher gets nod to borrow INR125 billion http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-nod-to-borrow-inr125-billion.html More debt for IT.
189 Post contains links Mk777 : T3 at DEL will be completed by March 2010 infrastructurally but will be commissioned by June 2010. http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Art...?article=20_
190 Post contains links Aviationbuff : LH Seeks Nod To Fly In A380 Into India LH Seeks Nod To Fly In A380 Into India (by Aviationbuff Jul 20 2009 in Civil Aviation)
191 Ammunition : How is the short term outlook looking for the various airlines in India in terms of survival? Any likely casualties on the horizon?
192 Ourboeing : Any news on the IXC international airport? FlyDubai is set to start operation begining July 23rd. If that takes off, my next flight is going to be New
193 Deaphen : Postponed for a few months! Regards Nitin
194 Ojas : Unfortunately that may not happen. Firstly EK and FZ as of now have no arrangements to give through fares to IXC. Which means you will have to pay se
195 AirIndia : not if u carry an american passport. Well, you may have spotted that, but EK flies to JFK and not to EWR......
196 Post contains links Aviationbuff : AAI proposes ADF on flights to non-metro destinations http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/aai-...ghts-to-nonmetro-destinations-7515 Not good for the domes
197 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Kingfisher may issue INR50b in new shares http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ay-issue-inr50b-in-new-shares.html So out of 125 Billion 50 BN will b
198 Cricket : The way I get it is that VJM will sell a part of his stake in United Spirits (Diageo most prob) and use some of those funds to recapitalise Kingfishe
199 HAWK21M : Unlikely....Looks like recovery has begun. regds MEL.
200 Aviationbuff : Sure...looks like recovery has begum, however, there could be consolidation. Spicejet has hinted earlier that they may acquire another LCC (Jetlite w
201 Post contains links Aviationbuff : FIR Against CO Staff At DEL For Frisking Dr. Abdul Kalam the former President FIR Against CO Staff At DEL For Frisking Vvip (by Aviationbuff Jul 21 20
202 HAWK21M : Def Begun for Cargo. regds MEL.
203 AirIndia : Thats encouraging piece of news..........
204 Post contains links LAXDESI : THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. PLEASE GO TO PART 82. Indian Aviation Thread: Part 82 (by LAXDESI Jul 21 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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