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When Will Delta Retire The DC9's?  
User currently offlinePictues From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14503 times:

Since we now know Northwest will never retire the DC9 since they are now merging with delta and the DC9's have now outlived Northwest, I'll ask this in all good fun:

When will DL retire the DC-9?

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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14511 times:

Never as they are pulling DC-9-30's out of storage and back into service. They have DC-9-10's in storage they could be flying for the Delta Connection next. The DC-9-10 was the first RJ !!


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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14485 times:

The snarky answer: The crew that fly's the last A320 to the desert will return home on a DC-9.

The real, but boring answer: When the aircraft can no longer cost effectively serve the need. My best guess is another 5-7 years.


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14467 times:
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When the economy rebounds. That's when fuel prices will go back up and put the nine down. Of course that will also put the economy back down and the nines will come back. So the answer has to be - when the D checks are due. (and if the airlines have any money to buy the replacements after all that)


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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14228 times:

I'm voting for some time in between Lufthansa installing PTVs and Lufthansa canceling the 747-8I.  duck 

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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14227 times:

In these economic times when capital is scarce, its doubtful that DL will retire these birds as they would be expensive to replace and the airlines are all strapped for cash. As the DC-9s are all completely paid for, and have been refurbished lately, operating them makes sense for the time being.

BUT, last summer when fuel prices surged, NW was not happy to have the DC9s flying around as the 40 year old design shows its age with its fuel burn.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

Man, if this isn't same song, different verse, I don't know what is...

-It will probably be when we can definitively say that Boeing is better than Airbus, or vice versa.
-It will probably be when LH installs PTVs on their whole fleet.
-It will probably be when Air France keeps all their planes clean.
-It will probably be when WN starts offering full service, a la a legacy carrier.
-etc., etc., etc.

Read: We have no idea, and this has been discussed a lot.

(I realize the situation is totally different, now that Delta is in charge. I'm just being dramatic   )

[Edited 2009-06-12 06:51:41]


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineXaphan From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14175 times:

Delta should have taken the last DC 9-32 in the fleet and had it bronzed! That aircraft kept Delta in the black during the 1970s and later. Remember Delta was late in ordering the 727-232s, so the Nine had to cover the gap in service to smaller airports, and longer "thin" runs. It may sound weird, but an early morning DC 9-32 ATL_LGA was replaced by a DC 10!

User currently offlineAerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2860 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14095 times:



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 1):
Never as they are pulling DC-9-30's out of storage and back into service. They have DC-9-10's in storage they could be flying for the Delta Connection next. The DC-9-10 was the first RJ !!

hilarious



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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14015 times:

They'll retire the DC-9 when the Air Force retires the B-52.


Save the whales...for dinner!!!
User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13967 times:

When the economy rebounds and DL gets some profits I expect DL to order a replacement for the DC-9. The question is what aircraft will replace the DL DC-9s?


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User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13810 times:



Quoting Pictues (Thread starter):
Since we now know Northwest will never retire the DC9 since they are now merging with delta and the DC9's have now outlived Northwest, I'll ask this in all good fun:

haha

damn northwest for injecting their cancers into the delta fleet  Sad  tongue 


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13604 times:

You know, I learned a long time ago an old radio D.J trick. They are taught, when in doubt, do the weather.
Here at A-Net, when in doubt(what will I talk about next?), discuss the NW DC-9.
Now Delta is in the picture, this can go on another five years...........or more.
I LOVE A-Net!!
safe  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

Delta will retire thier DC-9's when American changes its current livery. That is my stance and I am sticking to it!

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13514 times:

Did NW ever get at all close to ordering 717s?


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User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13427 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Reply 6):
Man, if this isn't same song, different verse, I don't know what is...

-It will probably be when we can definitively say that Boeing is better than Airbus, or vice versa.
-It will probably be when LH installs PTVs on their whole fleet.
-It will probably be when Air France keeps all their planes clean.
-It will probably be when WN starts offering full service, a la a legacy carrier.
-etc., etc., etc.

Read: We have no idea, and this has been discussed a lot.

(I realize the situation is totally different, now that Delta is in charge. I'm just being dramatic )

-When Allegiant connects there hubs and orders 737s
-When JAT Becomes A full fledged Inter-Continental carrier
-When American orders the TU-154
-When Ryan Air stops charging extra fees and O'Riley Becomes a well respected and well spoken for man  duck 
-When Iran Air gets a 747-400 and retires the SP



Anything the US and EU build the Russians do it better! i.e. TU-144 vs Concorde and TU-154 vs The 727...
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13427 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 10):
When the economy rebounds and DL gets some profits I expect DL to order a replacement for the DC-9. The question is what aircraft will replace the DL DC-9s?

Doubtful that it will be with the proposed A320NG or the 737RS as these aircraft will only serve the 150+ market. A good replacement for the current DC-9s would be the E190/195, although this would likely have to be operated by mainline pilots, which makes sense as they're replacing planes that are operated by mainline.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13395 times:

Well, didn't I read on here that the DC-9-30's and -40's are on their way out (not being repainted/operated by Delta itself), but the -50's are being repainted and thus kept for the time being. The DC-9-50 is the newest and highest capacity model, great for those high density short-haul runs on DL and NW routes.


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13372 times:



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 1):
The DC-9-10 was the first RJ !!

It should still be the only darn RJ... screw canadair

Quoting Cba (Reply 5):
BUT, last summer when fuel prices surged, NW was not happy to have the DC9s flying around as the 40 year old design shows its age with its fuel burn.

Not really as they were still cheaper to operate than a bus.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14):
Did NW ever get at all close to ordering 717s?

Yes, until MD/Boeing told them they were not going to offer anything but the -200 and NW wanted variations the same or close to the DC-9 series they already had.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13356 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 17):
Well, didn't I read on here that the DC-9-30's and -40's are on their way out (not being repainted/operated by Delta itself), but the -50's are being repainted and thus kept for the time being. The DC-9-50 is the newest and highest capacity model, great for those high density short-haul runs on DL and NW routes.

The DC-9-30 has about the same capacity as the E195, however the only aircraft available that have the same pax capacity as the DC-9-50 are the 319 and 73G, both of which aren't that efficient on shorter, high turnaround routes. There isn't really anything on the market to truly replace the role of the DC-9-50.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 18):
Yes, until MD/Boeing told them they were not going to offer anything but the -200 and NW wanted variations the same or close to the DC-9 series they already had.

I remember the proposals for making a 717 family, complete with the 717-100 carrying around 70-90 pax, and most importantly the 717-300 stretch, holding 120-130, about the size of a DC-9-50. Had Boeing gone ahead with the whole family then NW probably would have ordered.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13301 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 14):
Did NW ever get at all close to ordering 717s?

Read everything you can on an airplane called the MD-95. There is a NW connection there.
safe



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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13285 times:

The planes are paid for. Why get rid of them. I would think that has something to due with it.


Giants football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2408 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13230 times:

DL won't retire them. US someday might.  stirthepot 

User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13149 times:

When Delta gets bought out and we have 2-3 major US airlines. I personally would like to see them in Continental colors and the evil triangle banished to timbuktu.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13142 times:

DL does not have any D9's, but NW does....  wave 


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25 7324ever : Lol Thank You!!! You absolutely made my day!!!!!!
26 MD-90 : 20 years after Delta Tech Ops re-engines them with geared Pratts.
27 Vald : When O' Riley goes back to MICHAEL O' LEARY, maybe..... hehe
28 Deltajets : Ive heard that the dc9's are all gonna be getting full glass cockpits
29 F35 : if they get the right planes now with better fuel economics, they'll be in a better position when the gas prices soar again... at this rate the DC9 is
30 Lrdc9 : And I was enjoying this thread too . . . As long as God Willing and the Creek Don't Rise . . . OR Until DL manages to turn some decent profits AND Fu
31 KingFriday013 : That made my day -J.
32 Aloha717200 : Delta has stated they aren't happy with the economics of the -9, this is why they'll be bringing the remaining 722s out of storage to replace the ent
33 Af773atmsp : Where is that image of the NW DC-9 with winglets? Instead of replacing them put some winglets on!
34 Jetfuel : I will try and be serious here for 1 minute The DC-9 will be retired when one or more of the following happens 1. Fuel prices make it prohibitive 2. D
35 Theredbaron : ^ You missed that they will retire the Mad Dogs when Mexico wins the world football cup. They thing here is that there is no really good airplane to r
36 Emaman : haha i liked that!! I dont think that DC-9 can have long left, it is a gas guzzling maintenance liable beast, a few more upward jerks in fuel prices
37 Jetfuel : Perhaps somebody at NW/DL might be able to update us with some info DC-9 Fleet Highest Total Time, Highest Cycles, Time to D checks
38 Viscount724 : However, the fact that they're owned outright means you have no ownership costs. That offsets many of the other cost elements like fuel, especially o
39 Mayor : Why don't you do us a favor and hold your breath until then.
40 Cvg2lga : Delta has said they will be phasing them out over the next 3-5 years. Tchau DA-
41 AirframeAS : Source?
42 Rbgso : No time soon, as some DL/NW DC-9s that were originally placed with North Central have recently received spiffy new paint jobs. The planes are paid for
43 WESTERN737800 : DL will retire the DC-9 after WN parks all of their 737s, after UA parks their 777s and airbuses, after the DL 777s and A330s are retired... you get t
44 Danielb : I wish to never fly on one ever again!! I had the misfortune of being on one yesterday, between CMH and MSP. Not only was it noisy, uncomfortable, and
45 Treebeard787 : And you call your self an airplane fan I personally love the DC-9, I hope to fly on one sometime this summer.
46 NIKV69 : OMG not the dirty thirties! My are those OLD!
47 Mayor : What will you say when those same A320s and 738s are the same age as the DC-9s, IF they ever reach that age?
48 AirframeAS : On the A320's, I doubt they will ever reach that age. But on any 737, I believe they can achieve that age. There are still some old 732's flying arou
49 Mayor : Well, like you said, I doubt if the 320s make it that far and I don't think the 738s will get that far, either. Probably the only other airliner, bes
50 Isitsafenow : Well kid, sorry you were stuck in the back sitting between Mr. Pratt and Mr. Whitney but they are pretty noisy on all the trips. Funny, but you can na
51 HermansCVR580 : Delta to park 10 Saab 340's and replace them with Convair 580's I could not resist. Long live the DC-9er!!!!
52 B727LVR : Oh yes... I love flying on my -30 and -10's. Granted they are a bit noisy, but they have a smooth ride. Also a weeks flying with no write-up's isn't u
53 Mandala499 : I thought I was seeing a deja vu until I realised... NW's under DL now... so it's a partial deja vu. OMG! Has DL/NW's DC9 been flown by 3 generations
54 LTBEWR : They will do it when the accountants say so. The decision will not be made by av nuts like us here.
55 WESTERN737800 : I'll respectfully disagree with you sir. Wish to never fly on again, would you rather walk? Ugly, the interior, or exterior? I know a DL/NW DC9 pilot
56 TrijetsRMissed : The DC-10 is getting pretty close. There are freighters still in service that are only handful of years younger than the DC-9-30s. NW was flying TATL
57 Mayor : DL was the launch customer for the DC-9, as well as the DC-8 and CV880.
58 AirframeAS : But what about the 732's? IIRC, some small Canadian carriers still operate them.... That's the funniest thing I have ever seen anyone say about an Ai
59 Mayor : And that was the main reason my son-in-law didn't like flying them for Jetblue. He's a pilot, not a computer operator.
60 Greatpooh : Look at it this way, the MD90 is a version of the DC-9 and Delta is still aquiring them. This thread will be repeated again and again for at least ano
61 Post contains images KingFriday013 : I totally understand what you're saying. Just for those who don't know, however, the Mad Dog final DC-9 model was the DC-9-87 (MD-87). Starting with
62 EMBQA : That's a big part of the reason. Also a factor... Douglas built the DC-9 like a tank. The crews that fly them and the mechanics that work on them jus
63 Danielb : This is a little off topic, but does anybody know what the 732-9's are like to fly?? How about the E175's, the CR2-9"s or the MD-80's?? If anybody kn
64 BMI727 : The limiting factor might be maintenance. Fuel prices will hurt the 9s, but new planes are very expensive too.
65 Dtw9 : Delta was not the launch customer for the DC-8, Pan Am was. Delta came later and took over Eastern's early orders for the -10 DC-8's
66 Mayor : Well, I've got two history books here that say you're wrong, both by the same author. The one about DL says "By putting the 119-seat DC-8 into servic
67 727forever : I've flown the 717, MD-80, and MD-90. I have only a DC-9 type rating for all of these. The airplane type certificate may say something else, but I ca
68 BMI727 : The E-Jets might be able to do it, but there is the major issue of outsourcing and payscales as well. Flexibility is very vauluable, and might be wor
69 Viscount724 : Reference to an aircraft's "launch customer" refers to the airline that places the first significant order and permits the manufacturer to go ahead w
70 Dtw9 : Wrong. Eastern had ordered the -10 DC-8 and then decided they wanted the more powerful series 20. Delta then purchased Eastern's -10 delivery slots f
71 Mandala499 : I can't help wondering... did NW take up ex DL DC9s? If so, are those ex DL DC9s still in operation? (ie: back operating in DL after all these years)
72 Dtw9 : Yes. Can't remember how many. The last Delta DC-9 left the NWA fleet just before the offical merger. I believe N3324L was the last operated and was r
73 RayChuang : I do think that DL is looking at phasing out the DC-9 fleet within the next 10-15 years. We're all forgetting that much of the ex-NW DC-9 fleet is rea
74 Mayor : OK...my mistake. DL was the first to put the DC-8 in service. As well as the DC-9 and CV880. Source??? I can find no reference of this in either of m
75 NWADC9 : Kids, when will they ever learn about REAL aircraft... I thought DL was gonna ditch the -30 and the -40, but keep the -50 for awhile... Long live the
76 Dtw9 : Any book on the history of the DC-8 will give you this information. Delta's first 6 DC-8's were a part of Eastern's Dec 1955 order for 26 DC-8's, 6-1
77 Mayor : It must have been a very quick decision, then as DL announced the order on February 14, 1956. What I'm getting at, I guess is that it wasn't DL's dec
78 Post contains links Dtw9 : It was Delta's decision and a smart one at that. http://www.dc-8jet.com/daldc811.htm
79 United1 : Interesting Boeing's website is showing only three orders for the 10 series.... 10/1965 16 UA 03/1956 6 DL 10/1957 4 UA According to the site EA does
80 727forever : Outsourcing is a non starter. They have all that they are going to get. The DL pilots are beyond pissed that the 76 seaters are out there in the firs
81 Mandala499 : That's a pity, I would have loved to make jokes out if it... Perhaps, DL said, "Sure we'll merge, but get rid off our DC9s beforehand otherwise it wi
82 T5towbar : The old DC-9's will still keep on flyin'! When they will retire.......who knows? But one thing for sure, you will soon to find one of them in the Nati
83 Mayor : Why would it be an embarrassment? Doesn't make sense to me.
84 USAirALB : Thats True I'll have the pleasure of flying on one between ALB-MSP this summer. 3+ hours!!! FUN!! DL still has DC9-10 in storage?
85 BMI727 : One of each please.
86 Deltajets : Rumor is that passengers would rather fly on a dc-9 rather than any CRJ(exactly as one of the execs said it). Im pretty positive that they will be aro
87 DeltaL1011man : From Bastian. 3 to 5 years. period. BTW anyone see fuel is going up.....hear that....tick tock tick tock.
88 BMI727 : I certainly would rather have the 9 that a CRJ. The E-Jets are better than the DC-9, but I like the DC-9 also just for pure nostalgia purposes.
89 Skymiler : Er -- what about the pile of MD-90's that they have been rumoured (for about 15 years) to be getting?
90 BMI727 : MD-90s have 150 seats, while the DC-9-50 has 125, the -40 has 110, and the -30s have 100. The MD-90 is too big to replace the DC-9s.
91 0NEWAIR0 : Damn, you stole my answer! lol.
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