CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3537 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8799 times:
i had to check the schedules myself............article states 2x daily DFW-SJC!! knew that wasn't right!!
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 28 Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8788 times:
Interesting. Has the flight been operated continually since 1992? I thought it might have been suspended for a period after 9/11 (I know similar flights from AUS were), but I'm not sure.
Addd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8738 times:
Interesting - I took this flight several times last summer and fall (well into the current economic mess), it was always choke full almost exclusively with business travelers, and tickets were quite expensive... I guess things went real bad real fast.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2345 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8719 times:
Well, this presents a nice opportunity for AS, B6, or WN to fill the void IMO. Let's see if any of them go for it.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
AznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3023 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8604 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4): Well, this presents a nice opportunity for AS, B6, or WN to fill the void IMO.
Would B6 add more flights to SFO or WN to OAK from AUS? Also doesn't UA fly to SFO as well? Seems like the current number of flights from AUS to Bay Area is well covered by those 3 airlines.
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CasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2151 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8598 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4): Well, this presents a nice opportunity for AS, B6, or WN to fill the void IMO. Let's see if any of them go for it.
I would predict Southwest to get on the route, but it may take some time. Travel has really been cut back at a lot of companies. If and when the business traveleers return, this route may bounce back. It may be in Southwest's best interest to sweep in and provide this route or provide an extra flight into Denver or Pheonix for connections.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5998 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8566 times:
AUS still has nonstop service to the Bay area on UA, B6, and WN. I doubt you'll see anyone rush in and add AUS-SJC right now.
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1551 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8532 times:
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 4): Well, this presents a nice opportunity for AS, B6, or WN to fill the void IMO. Let's see if any of them go for it.
It is doubtful that anyone will try to go against the existing WN OAK-AUS or UA SFO-AUS. Driving up to OAK or SFO can be difficult but it is not that difficult.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 18525 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8483 times:
I actualy think the whole business market to AUS has changed, as I have been finding $500 o/w F class fares from SoCal while DFW in comparison runs $900+.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2571 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8145 times:
At it's peak, I think AA ran three 757s on this route...wow, sorry to see it end, but then SJC is just an afterthought for AA these days. Is the Admiral's Club still open? I can't imagine it will stay open for too much longer.
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1007 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8098 times:
It is still open and will remain so. AA still has a loyal follwing here, and quite a few Admiral's Club members.
Cvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 597 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8031 times:
Aw man, less MD-80's now! I love the sounds of a JT8-D
Regarding the route though, there's always N2N for some of the SJC-AUS travelers
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3356 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7608 times:
AA and SJC ! Those were the days. This is a sad reality for SJC. I hope they'll keep ORD running compared to UA having axed it.
Is there any chance B6 could start this route using their E90s? How's B6 doing on SJC-LGB & JFK?
It's too bad the economy is in the tank and airports like SJC have been hit so hard. They're getting ready to open that great new terminal after all these years and there won't be the service all of us once thought there would be.
Chrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1389 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7574 times:
Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14): It's too bad the economy is in the tank and airports like SJC have been hit so hard. They're getting ready to open that great new terminal after all these years and there won't be the service all of us once thought there would be.
There will be. It'll take some time, though. SJC has always kind of ebbed and flowed more than other airports. In the 80s, it was huge with PSA, AirCal, Alaska etc. In the late 80s/early 90s, it slowed up once AA and US pulled back. It took off again in the mid-90s with RenoAir, WN, AA ran flights to NRT, CDG and TPE (I think).
SJC was hit really, really hard back in the tech crunch back in ~2000. The entire South Bay region hasn't fully recovered from that. I doubt they ever will recover 100%.
Mikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 607 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5487 times:
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3157 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
Quoting Chrisair (Reply 15): AA ran flights to NRT, CDG and TPE (I think).
Correct. They also applied for LGWSJC but were denied.
ContinentalAUS From United States of America, joined May 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4857 times:
Quoting Ssides (Reply 2): Interesting. Has the flight been operated continually since 1992? I thought it might have been suspended for a period after 9/11 (I know similar flights from AUS were), but I'm not sure.
Correct, I can recall AA re-introducing the route a few years back. It was kind of a legend here in AUS. I actually tried to book that flight today but need to fly SWA to SFO anyway...
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3815 posts, RR: 15 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4836 times:
It was also rumored on the other threAAd that SJC-SAN (Eagle) was to be cut soon as well, although that service still shows on the AA booking engine. That would be another route plus about 4 or 5 ERDs a day gone from SJC; I hope it doesn't happen. (Resulting in another intra-Cal monopoly route for the Canyon Blue. Amazing.)
I cant' imagine that AA would do any worse than just turn SJC into a straight spoke city with service to ORD and DFW (plus maybe LAX at least?) but it is kinda scary to see happening. (Same with STL.) Sometimes it seems that WN will be the only real game in town...
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 18525 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4799 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 19): Sometimes it seems that WN will be the only real game in town...
While in general I am no fan of monopolies, however SWA has done a great job in California with abundant frequent schedules and good fares, so it would not be much of a loss imo lossing AE RJs.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3815 posts, RR: 15 Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4764 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20): While in general I am no fan of monopolies, however SWA has done a great job in California with abundant frequent schedules and good fares, so it would not be much of a loss imo lossing AE RJs
Oh, I agree completely; I wasn't implying that another WN monopoly in California is a bad thing. I'm just always surprised at how markets in the Golden State are continually turned over to them and WN simply says "thank you", adds some capacity, and runs with them!
I, an old PSA fan (in SAN), watch WN flying in and out of Lindbergh all the time and can almost see the smile on their noses!
If there is to be a monopoly in a market, let it be Southwest!
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 18525 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4723 times:
As PSA fan also, I fully agree and very much view SWA as "California's airline" these days and can almost see that smile also.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3157 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4634 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 21): Oh, I agree completely; I wasn't implying that another WN monopoly in California is a bad thing. I'm just always surprised at how markets in the Golden State are continually turned over to them and WN simply says "thank you", adds some capacity, and runs with them!
I, an old PSA fan (in SAN), watch WN flying in and out of Lindbergh all the time and can almost see the smile on their noses!
If there is to be a monopoly in a market, let it be Southwest!
Doesn't it strike you as sweet justice that the service that PSA created, nurtured and grew is now WN's? Especially since WN basically took PSA's business model and ran with it? Just seems ironic to me.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 6720 posts, RR: 100 Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
One of my uncle's favorite trips back in the day was AUS-SJC-CDG-SJC-AUS. Sad to see what has become of SJC and STL at AA.
25 ScottB: Its really tough to compete profitably with Southwest when they're flying 137-seat 737's at their cost levels and the competitor is using 50-seat RJ'
26 IgneousRocks: Thru April 2009, Austin Bergstrom traffic is off about 12%. Thru March 2009, San Antonio had regained the status of being busier than Austin. Austin s
27 Brons2: I would bet money that yield is worse from SAT. It's almost always cheaper to fly from there but who wants to drive 75 miles with expensive parking t
28 Brons2: Maybe they'll bring it back when they have retired the MD-80. They keep saying that the 738 are 35% more efficient per ASM.
29 LACA773: Exactly. I was there during this time myself. After AA took over Air Cal developed a hub and begain to dismantle it, then bought Reno Air a few years
30 MAH4546: There is nothing stopping them from using the 738 on the route tomorrow.
31 Brons2: True, but it seems like they are running them on their most profitable routes mostly, or routes that are operationally a challenge for the MD-80 (lik
32 RGElectra80: The "nerd bird" lives on after all: http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin...y6.html?ed=2009-06-22&ana=e_du_pub Daily service SJC 855AM - AUS 215PM then
33 SurfandSnow: Wow! I really didn't think it would actually happen, but low and behold, these cities will continue to have their link!
34 SANFan: Good luck on the route, Alaska! I am surprised to see it but I hope it does well. OK all you nerds in what's left of The Valley; start flying to AUS
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Aw man, less MD-80's now! I love the sounds of a JT8-D
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