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User currently offlineMsl747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 412 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

I thought I would start this topic in light of flying home tomorrow on BA LHR-SFO. I'm a pretty tall guy, around 6' 9" to be exact. On my the outbound leg SFO-LHR, I was able to book an exit row online the day before the flight and didn't have any problems. However when I tried to book a seat for the return flight, I found that all the exit rows and bulkheads were already gone. Now I'm wondering if I would even physically fit in a 31" pitch World Traveler seat.

This has me wondering, what do airlines do for Tall people? I'm not fat, and seat width isn't an issue for me even on exit row seats which are typically a bit narrower. I mean, I really can't help being this tall can I? I don't want to inconvenience anyone or be treated differently just because I am tall, and I know no one really likes the Idea of sitting in a regular economy seat for 10hrs, but I do think its a bigger issue for tall people. So do airlines do anything? Should I ask at Check in if it might be possible to move me to a bulk head or exit row, or is that a waste of time? Sometimes I wish I was just a bit shorter.  Sad


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

What I would suggest you do is first have a look at Ba.com and the online check in and see if they are offering any upgrades on the flight. In the UK, they offer subject to availability and only online, not at the airport, the chance to upgrade to the next cabin. It might not be available if you have now checked in.

What I would suggest is check in as normal tomorrow, and when your at the Fast bag drop desk ask if there are any bulkhead seats available. If you have an aisle seat that is the good as you can stretch out. Im 6'2 and am not 100% comfertable in Y seats on BA, so I do not envy you at all.


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

As somebody who's 6'5 myself, I do understand your concern. Can't say I'm entirely looking forward to my flight to Crete this Friday, travelling in 28" charter configuration.

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7999 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 2):

Im doing my best NEVER to fly charter, i'd be dead or not be able to get out the seat if I do.


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

I wouldn't say you're a pretty tall guy - you're a extraordinary tall guy!  Smile

WN used to let tall passengers actually preboard if they were exceptionally tall to get bulkheads and exit row seats (I'm 6'3" and that wasn't tall enough).

Honestly, LHR380's suggestions are probably your best bets.


User currently offlineMsl747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8005 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 1):

I'll look into that thanks. Of course if I had the money I could just always fly in a premium cabin and not have a problem!



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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

You can't have legs if you are going on shorthaul charters. I am only 6' and I can't get my legs in the seat properly! Longhaul charter is much better for pitch. Buy a package to Dom. Rep on a tour operator that uses Thomson or Thomas Cook next year or use an airline with better pitch if you are going to the Med. :p S'not rocket science Big grin


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

I don't know about BA, but some airlines you can either call or visit the airport in advance to grab an exit row.

I'm 6'1"-ish so I can survive in a normal seat but it gets uncomfortable -- based on my general proportions they could shave 3" off the width and add it to the pitch and I'd be VERY happy.

My Dad is 6'7" and watching him try to contort himself into and out of a standard economy seat is an amusing feat.

I know, for example DL (used to) give you an exit row over the phone by just asking for it.
CO agents will not give you an exit row over the phone but any airport agent will do it if you ask nicely, even for future reservations (I usually visit the Customer Service Center before leaving CLE to get future flights "fixed", especially if I don't think I'm going to get upgraded).

Tonight I'm going out on CO 1411 CLE-MCO. I'm #2 on the upgrade list but I have seat 14A -- and there is no 12A so at this point I'd almost rather not be upgraded.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7899 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 6):
You can't have legs if you are going on shorthaul charters.

I flew to Cape Verde on a First Choice 757 last year. If the 6 hour flight wasn't bad enough, we also had a 2 hour delay onboard at Gatwick. I thought I'd need to be cut free from those seats after 8 hours.

I travel on charter flights quite often so have just got used to the lack of legroom. It's only usually a short flight, and it generally isn't as bad I always expect given my height. I enjoy the holiday atmosphere attached to flying charter.


User currently offlineManhattanbeach From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

It is a nightmare. I'm 6'3 and start getting fed up after about an hour in economy.

When you think about it flying in economy is a totally different experience if your short. I flew HKG to LHR a couple of years ago and ended up stuck down the back with people I didn't know either side of me. Jeez it was just awful. Like the saying goes though - you pay your money you take your chance !!

Still sucks though.

No wonder airlines can charge so much for business class (expect they have their fingers crossed right now) if I had the money there is NO way I would ever fly economy. Maybe that's why they make it so god damn awful !!

I've been upgraded several times and as I'm sure people will agree when you plonk down in that seat it's just heaven. Massive sigh and a glass of bubbly. Very nice.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7865 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 4):
WN used to let tall passengers actually preboard if they were exceptionally tall

Yes, I am 6'7" and when they did away with that policy, I didn't have much incentive to fly WN anymore and I haven't in a few years.

I did fly on BA a few years back on the 777 and thankfully got the exit row both ways across the pond.



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User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

I remember a flight on Air Transat about 10 years ago, I was at LGW to check-in 4 hours from departure so I could get an exit row. When we boarded, there was someone behind me, who was like 6'6 and he literally could not fit into his seat. They asked me to move but shortly after found him another exit seat. If a passenger can't fit into the seat, they'll have to find room somewhere...because they can't stand and removing a passenger after boarding is completed would not be the best choice.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 7):
CO agents will not give you an exit row over the phone but any airport agent will do it if you ask nicely,

Also, if exit row seats on CO aren't booked 24 hours out, they open up online. I was able to get an exit row on a flight about a month ago, just after online check-in came available. It was great!!!


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

I'm lucky, 6' but short legs so coach is still fine.

Course it makes cars with low headroom not fun.


User currently offlineMsl747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7683 times:



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 12):
Course it makes cars with low headroom not fun.

Tell me about it! This is why I drive a Truck... Big grin



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7657 times:
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Quoting Msl747 (Thread starter):

This has me wondering, what do airlines do for Tall people? I'm not fat, and seat width isn't an issue for me even on exit row seats which are typically a bit narrower. I mean, I really can't help being this tall can I? I don't want to inconvenience anyone or be treated differently just because I am tall, and I know no one really likes the Idea of sitting in a regular economy seat for 10hrs, but I do think its a bigger issue for tall people. So do airlines do anything? Should I ask at Check in if it might be possible to move me to a bulk head or exit row, or is that a waste of time? Sometimes I wish I was just a bit shorter.  

Same answer as I gave in the fat people thread (Also there's no way you can redude your size in contrast to fat people who should remind themselves when they reach for that secon piece of pie):
You have the disadvantage of height, but as much as this is a pitty, you can't make this te airlines problem. It's like me (6'3") not complaining I never will fit into a 1960s Porsche, it's kismet, so I live with it and I don't blame the Porsche guys for designing such small cars. Same with flying ... as harsh as it sounds, it's often a con being so tall, and air travel is one of these .... try J class as I do for years.



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User currently offlineEric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Isn't this why you fly business or first  duck   Wink

User currently offlineZmatt1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7542 times:
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I am 6"10". I recently flew JFK-CDG and CDG-SEA in y on AF A340/A330. Not all that uncomfortable. I felt bad for the guys in front of me on both flights. They couldn't recline their seats. I was very impressed with AF y service.

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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4785 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

I'm 6'4" with broad shoulders - the worst for me was in the middle seat of a TS A330 in 3-3-3 config - 29" pitch and very narrow width! They have since improved the pitch a bit. It wasn't possible for me to eat without elbowing people on both sides so I waited until they were finished.

FR is actually fine for two reasons:
1) The seats can't recline (yay!). Always is fun when the person in front tries to recline without success.
2) You at least get a chance of an exit row (depending what point you are in the queue). Usually I can get one as people try to get the seats at the front/back first.

A few years ago I used to get sympathy at the check in desk and was offered exit row seats on numerous airlines. However I haven't had this treatment for about six or seven years.

BA's Y is really rubbish though - avoid it if you can.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7410 times:



Quoting Eric (Reply 15):
Isn't this why you fly business or first  

Requiring tall people to pay 10-30x the fare is discrimination.

I imagine all it would take is a certified class action lawsuit in the USA for our carriers to be forced to offer "tall accommodating" seats on aircraft.

Unfortunately, at 6'3" I'm just tall enough to be cramped like crazy on many carriers but likely not tall enough to prevail in such an action. It would take someone who's knees touch the seat in front of them when seated upright to be the lead plaintiff.



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User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

I am 6'8". Continental has the best policy for getting exit rows.

Delta is now the worst.

Southwest is great if you can get a low A boarding, but if you don't, their pitch is not as bad as others.

I guess I could tell the story about me and my 6'10" buddy that got the runs from Panda Express in ATL on a flight to MSY on a 727.

Long story short, we both had to relieve ourselves with the lav doors open.



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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7357 times:

I'd call BA at 1-800 AIRWAYS and explain your situation. They may be able to help you out. best of luck!

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25356 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7279 times:



Quoting Msl747 (Thread starter):
This has me wondering, what do airlines do for Tall people?

The Dutch are statistically the tallest ethnic group on the world, and KL's seat pitch has never been more generous than most of their competitors.


User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

I'd recommend calling BA, although don't expect a sympathetic answer - in my experience they'll look on you as yet another person trying to get a free upgrade, which we know is the evil of all evils  Smile. If you're like me, then buying a J or Y seat is simply out of the question.

Also when you board, you might approach the passengers in the exit row and see if they wouldn't mind swapping with you, particularly if you have an aisle seat to swap. If it were me (and I'm 6'2") I wouldn't honestly mind for such a good reason.

I actually once deferred flying long distance because the only seat they had was a middle seat in the back, and there were no other seats available. I don't mind forking out for a day's delay than becoming a safety issue because nobody can get over me in an emergency!



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6381 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 7):
My Dad is 6'7" and watching him try to contort himself into and out of a
standard economy seat is an amusing feat.

I know what you mean. I'm 6'5" and it is just a pain to try and get my legs to fit. I have to try and get me knees in between the seats in front me.



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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6306 times:



Quoting Msl747 (Thread starter):
I thought I would start this topic in light of flying home tomorrow on BA LHR-SFO. I'm a pretty tall guy, around 6' 9" to be exact. On my the outbound leg SFO-LHR, I was able to book an exit row online the day before the flight and didn't have any problems. However when I tried to book a seat for the return flight, I found that all the exit rows and bulkheads were already gone. Now I'm wondering if I would even physically fit in a 31" pitch World Traveler seat.

This has me wondering, what do airlines do for Tall people? I'm not fat, and seat width isn't an issue for me even on exit row seats which are typically a bit narrower. I mean, I really can't help being this tall can I? I don't want to inconvenience anyone or be treated differently just because I am tall, and I know no one really likes the Idea of sitting in a regular economy seat for 10hrs, but I do think its a bigger issue for tall people. So do airlines do anything? Should I ask at Check in if it might be possible to move me to a bulk head or exit row, or is that a waste of time? Sometimes I wish I was just a bit shorter.

Frankly, you tall guys have so many advantages in life that I do not think you should get any special treatment. Everyone likes to have an exit row or bulkhead seat, and I am not willing to forego my chances of such a seat just because I am short.

Economy seats in general are too cramped, for anyone. They should be made sufficiently spacious to give everyone a reasonably comfortable ride, by legislation if needed. But people should not get special privileges just because of their size, in any dimension (referring to the other thread).

Air travel is about the only situation in life in which we short guys are a bit better off than you tall guys. Do not take that away from us too.

Just deal with it, and see it as the occasional price to pay for all the benefits your stature is giving you  Smile

Scipio (a short guy)


25 747m8te : I'm 6'6" (2m) and hear your pain, if find the 31inch pitch of QF and DJ ok for short haul upto about 4-5 hours...then I start to get real cramped up,
26 FrmrCAPCADET : It will take acts of congress/parliament/etc to address this. Airlines need to price Y by the amount of space passengers legitimately need. And the pr
27 Scipio : Never mind that we, smaller and therefore lighter people, are already subsidizing your ticket. We pay the same ticket price even though we weigh less
28 Ridgid727 : Quite frankly, a person more than 6'5" seated in a middle seat is a safety issue, and my feeling is these cases should be attended the same as any oth
29 ULMFlyer : I'm 6'5" and when I'm flying Y on long-haul night flights what I do is make sure I get an aisle seat and then pop-up a sleeping pill after dinner. Eye
30 AFGMEL : I'm 6'4" and have broad shoulders. I fly business long haul, but squeeze into economy short haul. Personally I think it's discrimination. We simply ca
31 MAN2SIN2BKK : or be bold like a couple of Asian airlines; TG have 36" pitch in standard economy in their A345s and BR also have 36" pitch in the standard economy o
32 BURules : This always amazed me. Take a look at the Y seating config on their 773ER and you'll really wonder how they subject their fellow countrymen to such t
33 Doona : Yes, it apparently sucks to be short. And you have to put up with all that bitterness too, must be awful. Cheers Mats
34 Manhattanbeach : LOL On a serious note, we are talking about physical discomfort here. Surely the seat should be designed to offer a 'minimum' level of comfort to the
35 Decoder : Yes, being tall is so much better, except when flying. I suggest everybody here get used to it.
36 AFGMEL : Oh come on. Airlines make their money from squashing us in and making our lives in Y a hell while you sit there in relative comfort. I have to pay mo
37 YULWinterSkies : Well, AF pitch is about average (32'), and is decently comfortable for most people. Now, I'm impressed how you can fit "not uncomfortably" on an AF Y
38 Enginebird : The main problem is that airlines' policies vary so much as far as access to exit rows is concerned. Unfortunately there seems to be a move away from
39 GST : At the moment the current seat design philosophy is to design a seat, and try to remove the uncomfortable aspects. So they design a seat that is ligh
40 Spacecadet : Yeah, right. Next time you have a spontaneous collapsed lung (a problem that affects tall people in much greater numbers than short people, and which
41 Enginebird : Well spoken! Most tall people, including myself, do not mind paying extra for more legroom, but buying J or F class tickets is usually out of the que
42 Jpiddink : I've had the opportunity to compare quite a few airlines operating from AMS on various flights to European destinations, and the result varies. With m
43 Daviation : 6'3" here. I don't mind being squashed on a short flight (2 - 3 hours), but some of the longer hauls are sheer torture. And, no, I can't afford busine
44 Amciver : You could ask for a seat next to an empty seat and put the arm rest up and sit diagonally - you will get more room overall. Alternatively, book a midd
45 Planesmith : DUH! Clearly you've never had problems buying clothes that fit! On that matter in hand however, I do find that a quick call to the airline explaining
46 Scipio : You guys clearly have never seen the world from down here There are disadvantages to being on either tail end of the the height distribution. I did n
47 Viscount724 : That's not correct. BA's Club Europe seats have 34 inch pitch, 3 inches more than most Y class rows. KL also has 33 inch pitch in the forward rows us
48 Panova98 : At 6'2", I don't consider myself particularly tall, but legroom is the key factor in any flight I take. [Well, I admit, back when Piedmont was flying
49 FrmrCAPCADET : I did mean to say that few people would object to paying proportionately more for a similarly increased amount of room. A three across seat has an ea
50 AT : I have found from past experience that the best way to approach these issues is when you are at the airport or in the plane, rather than beforehand. I
51 Joecanuck : Where will the line be drawn...? 6-5? 6-10? 7-5? There is no way airlines will, or should be forced to, cater to ever body shape and/or size. As a bus
52 LHR380 : Thankfully for Matt, I have good inside knowledge that has informed me he did not travel in a 31/32" seat pitch seat, but a 38" seat pitch. Hope ya h
53 ExFATboy : From a strictly legal perspective, it's not discrimination - tall people are not a protected class under the Air Carrier Access Act, the Americans wi
54 AirNZ : Surely is then, by the same token, charging overweight passengers. It's exactly the same thing in principle yet here on a.net it's a hobby to suggest
55 AT : What about one of the following two ideas? 1) giving people above a certain height preferred access to bulkhead or other rows with more legroom? That
56 AirNZ : A good idea in theory but I could see it being unworkable as, anyone under a 'certain height' would have very good legal grounds indeed for discrimin
57 AT : Yes, that may be the case. But by charging, a number of people who otherwise would have taken the extra leg room now won't, so there may be more rema
58 GFFgold : There is absolutely no regional correlation between average height and seat pitch (except perhaps in Japan). KL are particularly stingy with space. .
59 Msl747 : Yes it was very good flight, thanks to a VERY helpful person at BA. I wonder who it was?
60 SkyGirl : I have to disagree with this one. While there are a few people out there that are overweight due to circumstances out of their control, I didn't over
61 Scipio : Understood, and my sympathies, but my comments applied strictly to tall men only. Height issues are mostly gender-specific.
62 Decoder : Well said!
63 Msl747 : Wow this topic sure spurred a lot of great discussion. I really don't think that there will ever be a good solution to this problem. Airlines really c
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