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Startup Ideas From MME (Durham Tees Valley)  
User currently offlineFlyBeQ400 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Afternoon all-

Following the recent speculation regarding the lack of viability of the proposed Excelsis service from MME to LHR (taking over from the recently canceled BMI service) I was wondering what a more logical service might look like.

Here's the thoughts I came up with regarding a new turboprop based startup based out of MME.

Fleet: Initially 1x ATR 42 or similar (Saab 2000? Q400?)

Schedule ( I've just blocked everything for 90 mins including turnaround - for demonstration purposes only).

6:30 MME OXF
8:00 OXF DUB
9:30 DUB MME
11:00 MME ORY
12:30 ORY MME
2:00 MME STN
3:30 STN MME
5:00 MME GLA
6:30 GLA DUB
8:00 DUB OXF
9:30 OXF MME

The idea would be to have connecting shuttles from Oxford Kidlington airport to Heathrow T1-4 & T5. While the shuttle would take probably 60-70 mins, it is really not much longer than needed for an inter-terminal transfer at LHR & avoids the expense of LHR slots.

Benefits:
> Day return to London possible via Oxford, depart at 6:30am return at 9:30pm
> Day return to Dublin possible via Oxford
> Daily flight to Paris Orly
> Daily flight to STN to connect to low fares services ??
> Possibility of code-share with Aer Lingus for flights ex DUB to the US??

Fares:
> £19 all in lead up fare
> £49 per sector promo fares
> £129 day return business fares

Any other thoughts / ideas would be gratefully received!

Best rgds

FlybeQ400

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User currently offlineAidanoc5793 From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

But then why not fly to Gatwick, I think that would more traffic than OXF on the MME route. I dont think DUB would work from OXF due it being close to LHR with almost 17 flights a day how successful could it be? but MME-DUB could work with a daily perhaps connections to EI transatlantic and shorthaul to say MAD,LIS,BCN could be arranged make the most out of the route.

User currently offlineDBCooper From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

It would be helpful if they would re-establish the rail link. Once that went away, I switched to NCL or simply took the train from Middlesbrough or Darlington.

Is the "station" still in place at MME? I have not been there in a few years...

Dang - I can remember 5 per business day DC9s on BD in the day. I think I have flown the following types MME-LHR on BD:
Viscount
DC-9-15
DC-9-30
737-400
F-100
F-70


- DBC


User currently offlineFlyBeQ400 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

I believe the platform is still there, although access is very difficult to the terminal itself. Plus I think there is perhaps 1 train per day that still stops there  Smile

For trips to London its so hard to beat the train at 2:30hr from Darlington (some only with one stop at York). But with walk up single fares from £85 on up, there should be a chance to take some of the O&D market.

However, the main attraction would be to gain the connectivity to long haul from LHR. If a minibus (or even private hire transport) could literally pull up alongside the aircraft at OXF and drop you at T5 it could make for a convenient connection. Compare to train: Darlington-->Kings X --> tube to Paddington --> Heathrow express.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
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Alternative plan, with these draft timings:

0630-0745 MME-LTN
0815-0930 LTN-MME
1000-1100 MME-DUB
1130-1230 DUB-MME
1330-1430 MME-GLA
1500-1600 GLA-MME
1630-1745 MME-LTN
1815-1930 LTN-MME
2000-2045 MME-EDI
2115-2200 EDI-MME

With a 2nd aircraft comes the opportunity for a CDG and 2nd GLA and EDI services.


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 745 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1725 times:



Quoting FlyBeQ400 (Reply 3):
I believe the platform is still there, although access is very difficult to the terminal itself. Plus I think there is perhaps 1 train per day that still stops there

Errrm....one train a WEEK!! It's known as a Parliamentary Train, put on to save going through the complex closure procedure.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tees-side_Airport_railway_station



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User currently offlineAidanoc5793 From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1709 times:

What about additional services to Ireland, I think the region has strong connections to Ireland, I think MME-ORK, MME-NOC could do well as well as BFS. I think a few weekly MME-CPH could do well

User currently offlineAirbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1685 times:

I was talking to one of our serviceair dispatchers at MME 2 weeks ago and he said that business was terrible and the airport is on the edge of bankruptcy.

Only the KLM and Eastern flights remain with the odd Ryanair and charter service,
I remember last year on the early flights there would be a BMI/Globespan/Ryanair/KLM/Eastern all lined up on the apron, now it's just empty.

Hope all goes well for your airport and that it'll have a future.

Are any cargo operators still flying into MME?

rgds

AB



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1672 times:

Close it down and build a Tesco's  duck 


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1644 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
Close it down and build a Tesco's

Definitely a better option that some of those proposed! MME to EDI and GLA? It's under 2h by train to Edinburgh and 3h to Glasgow. Who the hell in God's name would fly such sectors?! And OXF from MME? OXF doesn't even have service from EDI, which would be a much more enticing proposition. However, I could in theory potentially see some services to OXF, such as from JER on a seasonal basis.

If you are keen to start MME-LON, I would much recommend LGW to LTN or STN.

If you wish to know what those that run MME think would work, visit: http://www.therouteshop.com/durham-airport/



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
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Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
It's under 2h by train to Edinburgh and 3h to Glasgow. Who the hell in God's name would fly such sectors?!

The same as those pax who still fly routes such as MAN-LGW/LHR. You know, the thing called choice. If you insist on no choice for a Scottish route and going to LGW then:

0630-0800 MME-LGW
0830-1000 LGW-MME
1030-1130 MME-DUB
1200-1300 DUB-MME
1330-1445 MME-CDG/ORY
1515-1645 CDG/ORY-MME
1715-1830 MME-LGW
1900-2030 LGW-MME


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

there are currently shuttles from oxford to LHR. LTn has a train that goes straight to St. Pancras, London Bridge, and a few others (I take the service going to brighton)

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

MME has a catchment area of 1.7m within a 45-minute drive and 2.8m within a 60-minute drive. It clearly shares this area with NCL, located around 30 minutes away by car.

It is interesting that BE, evidently very keen on serving regional UK airports where it is profitable, doesn't serve MME: according to the statistics contained in the link I hitherto provided, there is decent demand from MME to LON (e.g. LGW), BHD, and SOU, all key BE UK airports - and all unserved. Along with various other international destinations that it serves from other UK cities. Presumably BE management see it differently.

[Edited 2009-06-15 15:11:31]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFlyBeQ400 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1603 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
And OXF from MME? OXF doesn't even have service from EDI, which would be a much more enticing proposition

I agree OXF to EDI is definitely a route that has been considered in the past. Maybe OXF-MME-EDI could work.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
However, I could in theory potentially see some services to OXF, such as from JER on a seasonal basis.

Jersey flights already exist from OXF so that isnt too hard to imagine. http://www.oxfordairport.co.uk/home/passenger_info.htm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
If you wish to know what those that run MME think would work, visit: http://www.therouteshop.com/durham-a...port/

Indeed where some of these ideas came from. Although given Peel Airports 'success' at marketing their services perhaps some outside-the-box thinking is needed.

And, unfortunately, I think Gkirks suggestion (or similar) might well happen, but it'd be very sad to see MME go the way of Sheffield City and others.

The idea of using OXF was to serve as a staging point for Heathrow and the west of London, driving time from OXF to Heathrow is certainly faster than LGW and STN, and probably LTN.

Agreed - it will probably never happen, but its certainly less far fetched than 3x daily services with a 734 with 40 seats  Smile


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1588 times:



Quoting FlyBeQ400 (Reply 13):
Jersey flights already exist from OXF so that isnt too hard to imagine. http://www.oxfordairport.co.uk/home/...o.htm

I should be a network planner!  Wink

Certainly no MME-EDI/GLA/OXF.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1541 times:



Quoting DBCooper (Reply 2):
Dang - I can remember 5 per business day DC9s on BD in the day. I think I have flown the following types MME-LHR on BD:
Viscount
DC-9-15
DC-9-30
737-400
F-100
F-70

those were the days, I remember them well! Smoky Orion 732s as well running down to Spain, even some Spanish airline flights (Spanair?) and the Yugoslavia service, though these were all IT Charters.

As my username suggests, I have some ties to MME and while I would really like to see it succeed it has been totally overshadowed by NCL and to a slightly lesser degree LBA. I really can't fathom out why Teessiders are willing to drive up to NCL to catch a flight when there is a perfectly usuable airport on their doorstep. Sadly, no demand = no flights. I hope MME survives but it's fate was probably sealed in the late 60's when the government at the time opted to develop and promote NCL ahead of MME as the airport for the N.E Region.


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