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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5412 times:

I have just found this article online.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publ...es_flights_into_Uganda_86560.shtml

The article says BA will increase flights to EBB from 3 to 5 per week. The flight will move from a night sector ex LHR to a day sector. The return will move from a day sector ex EBB to a night sector. The additional flights will operate on a Friday and Saturday. I presume the flights will still be operated using the current 767 equipment.

Not updated on BA.COM yet but I know they haven't loaded their complete Winter 09/10 timetable yet.

A update that has already been loaded is the daily ACC will increase from a daily 767 to a daily 3 class 777. This will mean a increase of 24J and 62Y seats daily.

I wonder if LUN, DAR or LAD will see frequency increases this winter.

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Very good news in these gloomy times. It shows that people are still thinking on how to increase revenues.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
I wonder if LUN, DAR or LAD will see frequency increases this winter.

I was wondering for a long time about LAD. LH, AF and EK have all increased services to LAD so why not BA?

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
Winter 09/10 timetable yet.

Any news about shorthaul? Heard from a CC that Tunis will be increased to 10x weekly. Is this correct?



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User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5271 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
A update that has already been loaded is the daily ACC will increase from a daily 767 to a daily 3 class 777. This will mean a increase of 24J and 62Y seats daily.

This is good news as I know from experience that on this busy route there are problems accommodating passenger cabin baggage in the 767's smaller overhead lockers. The 777's larger bins should help.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5112 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Any news about shorthaul? Heard from a CC that Tunis will be increased to 10x weekly. Is this correct?

The timetable is expected to be finalised in early July.

Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 2):
This is good news as I know from experience that on this busy route there are problems accommodating passenger cabin baggage in the 767's smaller overhead lockers. The 777's larger bins should help.

The extra space on the 777 in the cabin will come in handy. As will the additional cargo space.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Any news about shorthaul? Heard from a CC that Tunis will be increased to 10x weekly. Is this correct?

I personally doubt they will increase the TUN to 10 x weekly. That would be a doubling of capacity on last winter.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Have noticed a couple more aircraft type changes:

The main route seeing aircraft type changes is LHR/JFK. BA are going to be using more 777's on the LHR/JFK from 25OCT09. The changes from LHR/JFK are as follows

BA117 - Currently operates Daily on a 747. This will change to 2 x 747 & 5 x772 weekly

BA175 - Currently operates Daily on a 747. This will change to 4 x 747 & 3 x 772 weekly

BA177 - Currently operates Daily on a 747. This will change to 1 x 747 & 6 x 772 weekly

BA115 - No Change to current daily 772

BA179 - Currently operates Daily on a 747. This will change to 2 x 747 & 5 x 772 weekly

BA183 - Currently operates 6 x 747 and 1 x 772 weekly. Will change to 6 x 747 weekly.

BA173 - Is showing on timetable but is believed to non op for Winter 09/10

YYZ was showing 12 x 772 and 2 x767 for winter. This has now changed to Daily 777 and Daily 767.

YUL - BA have been using a 767 on the route since April due to the late delivery of the 4 new 777's. The flight is now showing as returning to a 777 from the 01JUL until the 25OCT when it will return to a 767 for the duration of the winter.

That's all I have noticed at the moment. However they seem to be updating the Longhaul timetable a couple of times a week. So I am guessing we will be seeing more capacity changes over the next month or so.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

If BA is going to decrease capacity by 4% I guess some other services will be affected. All we have seen now are increases or route additions. Do you think LAX or IAD will loose one daily?


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User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4835 times:



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 2):

This is good news as I know from experience that on this busy route there are problems accommodating passenger cabin baggage in the 767's smaller overhead lockers. The 777's larger bins should help.

If BA had a sensible & safe cabin baggage allowance then there would not be an issue as with most airlines


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4772 times:



Quoting 757ops (Reply 6):
If BA had a sensible & safe cabin baggage allowance then there would not be an issue as with most airlines

Even when we had the 6kg rule there was still not enough space in the 767 overhead lockers

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
If BA is going to decrease capacity by 4% I guess some other services will be affected. All we have seen now are increases or route additions. Do you think LAX or IAD will loose one daily?

BA would ideally like to cut capacity by 8-10% for the winter. It will all depend if the EU extend there slot ruling that they have made for the summer 09 timetable.

Personally I think LAX will loose the early flight as they did for some of winter last year.

IAD will probably remain 3 daily using a mix of 767/777. SEA would still do well if it only operated daily instead of 10 x weekly.

With BA looking at every little cost it wouldn't suprise me if either the BA11 LHR/SIN or the BA009 LHR/BKK/SYD went to a 772 from a 744. BA have saved loads of money by puting the 772 on the LHR/SIN/SYD in fuel alone.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

I think we might see reduction in Indian routes like every airline has been doing lately.

And what avout shorthaul?!

According to the actual schedules, EDI will get back its red eye flight but not GLA.

Are BUD, LIS or ATH keeping their 4th flight daily?



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User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4594 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
The article says BA will increase flights to EBB from 3 to 5 per week

Nice to see increased frequency to EBB. This will help BA attract traffic on the London route currently going to KL, EK and KQ



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4528 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
According to the actual schedules, EDI will get back its red eye flight but not GLA.

Historically BA will finalise their Longhaul schedule before their Shorthaul. You will see those flights change over the next month or two. I reckon the final shorthaul schedule won't be loaded until early August. Remember BA will ground all 9 of their remaining 757's from October.

The added capacity on LIS/ATH and IST is needed in summer but definatly not in Winter.

The Shorthaul domestic schedule is exactly the same as last winter EDI had a red eye flight last winter where GLA had theirs cut at the begining of the Winter 09/10 schedule.


User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

I heard that BA would like to establish a mid fleet.... something that sound very similar in fact to what BMED was! - any truth in that?

[Edited 2009-06-17 10:16:17]

User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4471 times:



Quoting TFFIP (Reply 11):
I heard that BA would like to establish a mid fleet.... something that sound very similar in fact to what BMED was! - any truth in that?

Yes, it's called Single Fleet and it is not a rumour it will definitely go ahead; 500 crew will initially kick-start the fleet (whether these are sourced partly from recalled temporary crew, existing crew or completely new recruits we don't yet know); look to Gatwick for a rough template of what is desired by the company at LHR.

Whilst we don't yet know what aircraft or routes are confirmed, crew on Single Fleet will be doing mixed flying much like their counterparts at certain other companies, but on much inferior terms and conditions to those (currently) of existing crew at LHR. Any new routes may well be operated by such crew.

Regarding BMED, not sure about the comparison; from what I understand, all crew were on the same contract and operated all routes on all aircraft; Single Fleet crew may not be able to operate ALL aircraft and won't be operating all routes, just those which have been transferred to them from the existing network, plus any new routes.


User currently offlineTFFIP From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4441 times:

(BMED crew) :

Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 12):
were on the same contract and operated all routes on all aircraft

BMed had A320 family.

What would be the difference to BA single fleet? I am assuming that means one airplane type?

Make you wonder if LH should sell BD to BA and get a working package with no start up issues?! (LH sure do seem to be not wanting BD anyways at the moment!)


User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4362 times:



Quoting TFFIP (Reply 13):
What would be the difference to BA single fleet? I am assuming that means one airplane type?

Can't blame you for assuming that, but it's wrong; in this case 'Single Fleet' doesn't refer to aircraft but crew - one single group (or 'fleet') of employees operating both shorthaul and longhaul destinations; the difference between that and BMED as I said above was that BMED crew flew to ALL the BMED destinations on the 320/321 (that's all they had ...)

Single Fleet crew will NOT operate to all destinations on the BA network and might not operate on all BA aircraft in the fleet (not surprising as we have more types than BMED did).

Quoting TFFIP (Reply 13):
Make you wonder if LH should sell BD to BA and get a working package with no start up issues?! (LH sure do seem to be not wanting BD anyways at the moment!)

Interesting point but I believe BA have the aircraft and crew ready (the temporary crew will most certainly be recalled to start SF); besides, I think some of the reasons that BD has become unattractive to LH apply to BA too ....


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 12):

Yes, it's called Single Fleet and it is not a rumour it will definitely go ahead; 500 crew will initially kick-start the fleet (whether these are sourced partly from recalled temporary crew, existing crew or completely new recruits we don't yet know); look to Gatwick for a rough template of what is desired by the company at LHR.


It won't be called a single fleet it will be called a mixed fleet. To understand why it will be called this I first have to tell you why it is not a Single fleet

Way back in the early 90's BA set up EOG (European Operation Gatwick). To operate it's growing number of shorthaul flights from LGW. When it was set up their pay and conditions were very different to that of crew BA Worldwide fleets and Eurofleet LHR . Basically they were worked harder and payed less. In around 2003 EOG merged with Cityflyer express and became Eurofleet Gatwick. However they where still payed hourly flight rather than the meal allowances that the crew on other fleets were payed.

After 9/11 BA started moving a large number of longhaul routes to LHR. The longhaul routes dwindled over the years until about 3-4 years ago when there was only 9 routes left. BA decide that it was not cost effective to have a small fleet of about 800 crew based at LGW just to cover 9 longhaul routes. They decided that they would offer all LGW Worldwide fleet crew the opportunity to transfer to LHR on the contract they were on or they could transfer to the new fleet on the hourly rate. Nearly all went to LHR

This left one fleet of crew operating all the flights ex LGW. That's why that is a single fleet.

The new fleet at LHR which is planned to be set up at the end of the winter 09/10 timetable will be called a mixed fleet. The crew on the mixed fleet will oprerate some long and shorthaul flights ex LHR but will only work with other crew in the mixed fleet. This is because their pay and conditions will be very different to that of the crew on the other two fleets at LHR. However the pay and conditions will be much the same as that if our LGW based collegues.

LHR Worldwide and LHR Eurofleet will remain at LHR just instead of 2 fleets we will have 3.

It was originally planned that they would have 2000 crew on the mixed fleet by 2012 however with the economic downturn that has been changed to just 500 by the end of year 2 and all new starter crew will go into this fleet after the 2 years. It is estimated it will have 1500 crew by year 7.

[Edited 2009-06-17 11:50:52]

User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 15):
No it won't be called a single fleet it will be called a mixed fleet.

Apologies to all, you are right regarding the name; the rest I was aware of due to having worked with many ex-EOG (and Dan Air) crew; but essentially, I am given to believe, SF is the template for the new mixed fleet.

[Edited 2009-06-17 11:53:05]

User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4002 times:



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 16):

Apologies to all, you are right regarding the name; the rest I was aware of due to having worked with many ex-EOG (and Dan Air) crew; but essentially, I am given to believe, SF is the template for the new mixed fleet.

[Edited 2009-06-17 11:53:05]

You are right the pay and agreements (or lack of them) will be as LGW. However unlike LGW none of the current operational fleets at LHR will be closed down to make way for the mixed fleet at LHR.


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3123 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 9):
Nice to see increased frequency to EBB. This will help BA attract traffic on the London route currently going to KL, EK and KQ

Yes indeed. I have family who are flying out to EBB and chose KL. Well at least London will get a daily matoke delivery now!


User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

[quote=EbbUK,reply=18]

Quoting Swallow (Reply 9):
Nice to see increased frequency to EBB. This will help BA attract traffic on the London route currently going to KL, EK and KQ


This is true and ET are operating a daily 757 service to ADD with onward connections


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Is there any chance then that BA will return to Casablanca?


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2663 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 20):
Is there any chance then that BA will return to Casablanca?

CMN has always been a mystey for me. When U2 took over GT, neither BA nor U2 have operated the route. Well actually, all Moroccan routes were dropped which it is a bit weird.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 10):
Historically BA will finalise their Longhaul schedule before their Shorthaul.

What is happening with the LCY operation: the route to JFK and the arrival of the first EMJ?



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