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CO 9 EWR-NRT Diverting Back To EWR 6-16  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11795 times:

And, accordinig to CLE OPS, he's heading to CLE first for a gas-and go, then going back to EWR.

Read the reasson was volcanic ash up in Alaska. Hope the Flightaware page pops up here when you click the link.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA9

Anyone else have any info on Flight 9? All I heard is hearsay, to be honest.

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11763 times:

I think that one would take the price for the worlds longest ever return-to-airport diversion.

If the route was blocked, you'd think they'd refuel (and probably re-crew) in SEA then fly an alternate route. If it was mechanical from ask they sure as hell wouldnt go back to EWR.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Just looked on a hunch, and CO 7 IAH-NRT is doing the same thing-it got near Alaska, turned around, and is heading back to IAH.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA7


User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11715 times:
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CO 7 IAHNRT is also coming back into IAH.. It will cancel when it arrives... Hotels will be busy tonight....


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11694 times:

Has to be volcanic ash in Alaska. I hadn't heard that Redoubt had blown again lately? L-188, you around? Any update on that volcano?

User currently offlineGreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11647 times:

Couldn't they just reroute like during a storm? What are other carriers doing on the same route (US-NRT)?

User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11620 times:

Volcanic activity in Alaska is causing havoc right now -- was talking to a friend who works in OPS for an airline here, and he was telling me they're having a really hard time re-routing and sorting out flights.


I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2217 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11568 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And, accordinig to CLE OPS, he's heading to CLE first for a gas-and go, then going back to EWR.

Read the reasson was volcanic ash up in Alaska. Hope the Flightaware page pops up here when you click the link.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA9

Anyone else have any info on Flight 9? All I heard is hearsay, to be honest.

There is a volcanic watch alert on Redoubt and some volcano on Kamchatka called Sheveluch, from what I've read that doesn't mean they are currently spewing ash though... http://www.avo.alaska.edu/activity/index.php

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 1):
I think that one would take the price for the worlds longest ever return-to-airport diversion.

If I was a pax I would be seriously PISSED. Cross-country flight, just to land back at EWR lol. Did they really go all this way?




oh boy!!!
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2217 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11541 times:

According to that FlightAware map, they flew right over Redoubt anyway... (yes I know the maps can and often do have errors)


oh boy!!!
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11538 times:

Looking at all the US-NRT inbounds looks like everyone else re-routed or planned a southerly or polar route, CO is the only airline returning to the US.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offline747MegaTop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11507 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Just looked on a hunch, and CO 7 IAH-NRT is doing the same thing-it got near Alaska, turned around, and is heading back to IAH.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA7

Correct. Narita's official website lists this flight (arriving on 17 jun 09) as cancelled

14:20 CONTINENTAL CO7 HOUSTON 1-N CANCELED 13:30 777

http://www.narita-airport.jp/cgi-bin.../flight_search.cgi/sch_pub_trv_eng


User currently offline747MegaTop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11472 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And, accordinig to CLE OPS, he's heading to CLE first for a gas-and go, then going back to EWR.

Read the reasson was volcanic ash up in Alaska. Hope the Flightaware page pops up here when you click the link.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA9

Anyone else have any info on Flight 9? All I heard is hearsay, to be honest.

13:55 CONTINENTAL CO9 NEWARK 1-N CANCELED 13:45 777
as per NRT's official website.
http://www.narita-airport.jp/cgi-bin.../flight_search.cgi/sch_pub_trv_eng


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1828 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11408 times:

Man, that has got to be frustrating to be on those flights. Ugh, long way to go for them yet too. 12 hours for nothing.

COA9 is going to fly right over me in a few minutes, so I'll go outside to see if I can hear that big 777.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 8):
According to that FlightAware map, they flew right over Redoubt anyway... (yes I know the maps can and often do have errors)

Yep, they did if that map is correct, and it appears like it is. Crazy to think that three years ago I flew right beside Redoubt. I bet the mountain looks different now.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2530 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11357 times:

If it's the same volcanic ash problem as a few days ago, it's a Russian volcano out on the Kamchatka Peninsula. It's blanketing the whole north Pacific, so there's no way to get to Japan from the US without a huge diversion.

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11295 times:

Yes Ash is Bad.. Here in Guam we had Kalita Cargo 744F out of HKG operate via Long way..

HKG-UAM (Andersen AFB Guam) -HNL- (Final Dest LCK ?!? not sure) They could not make it HKG-ANC


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11271 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 13):
If it's the same volcanic ash problem as a few days ago, it's a Russian volcano out on the Kamchatka Peninsula. It's blanketing the whole north Pacific, so there's no way to get to Japan from the US without a huge diversion.

It is. Here is a link about Air Canada and their canceling flights to Asia from YVR.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015510001


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

Wow, this story gets better...

From what I can tell they pushed back on time, 1108AM EDT, but rolled back to the gate an hour later. They didn't take off until 730PM EDT, about 8 hours late. Epic fail for those passengers: 20 hours down the drain with nothing to show for it, and no idea when they'll get to Tokyo unless they take the long way via Europe.

[Edited 2009-06-16 21:56:42]

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

I'm a bit confused.

Why did UA's IAD-NRT and AA's JFK-NRT both operate normally and as scheduled today, while CO's EWR-NRT and DL's JFK-NRT cancel/divert?



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2217 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11137 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 15):
It is. Here is a link about Air Canada and their canceling flights to Asia from YVR.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/artic...10001

Thank you for the link, that has info on the volcano eruption.

I wonder WHY the airlines just cancel flights rather than taking a huge detour? Although the detour would be long it's within the range of most of the planes operating these routes...

In the case of a more southern route, it would add about 250-300nm on EWR-NRT.
In the case of a more northern route along G494 (Polar 4), it would add about 430nm.

Isn't 300-450nm worth of fuel (wouldn't this be like 10-12,000 lbs on the B777?) cheaper than having to accomodate all the pax from these canceled flights? Just thinking aloud...



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10964 times:

Upon further review, I think the FlightAware info for CO9 may be incorrect...there is no way it could have flown from EWR to the Aleutian Islands and back in 6 hours.

User currently offlineSwacle From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10962 times:



Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 16):
Wow, this story gets better...

From what I can tell they pushed back on time, 1108AM EDT, but rolled back to the gate an hour later. They didn't take off until 730PM EDT, about 8 hours late. Epic fail for those passengers: 20 hours down the drain with nothing to show for it, and no idea when they'll get to Tokyo unless they take the long way via Europe.

Flightaware error. The flight left EWR at 11:08am, landed back at 2:17am for a total duration of 15:09. Thats one hell of a sight-seeing tour....



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User currently offlineProfcalvin From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 10929 times:



Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 5):
Couldn't they just reroute like during a storm? What are other carriers doing on the same route (US-NRT)?

I was on DTW-NGO yesterday and we made it to NGO........... 6 hours late!!!
I was coming from DFW and was transfering in NGO and as soon as I got off and looked at the Departures TV's our flight said 1 stop. Then I thought what the hell, that must be some king of mistake. But then I looked at some other flights on the TV's and notice that all DTW- Asia(DTW-PVG, DTW-NRT, DTW-NGO) flights said 1stop! Then I thought something serious must be going on here. So my mother, brother and I walk all the way down to gate 34. As we were walking down the terminal I noticed some flights to SFO and then a huge 744 parked outside and was thinking that NW either had really good numbers on these flights or something must be wrong. We get to the gate and the gate screen said NWA flight 71 to SFO. For a moment I thought we were at the wrong gate but under it said to NGO and Manila. I walk up to the dest agent and ask what was going on and she said we had to make a "surprise stop" in San Fransisco because of a volcano in either Russia or Alaka(she said both at one point). At first I thought yeah! never been to SFO before so oportunity for pics  Smile But then I realized we would be very late in NGO so my happy thoughts passed. Anyways, I am making this post from Japan so I safely made it here but it looks like those volcanos, where ever they may be, are causing a lot of trouble. BTW, I will try to post a trip report in the next few days.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

Had a friend that was flying to NRT from ATL and they turned back 3 hours outside of NRT, instead of going to ANC which they flew right over... they decided that it would be a better idea to go to Seattle.... needless to say she didn't make it to Japan.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineOffshoreAir From United States of America, joined May 2009, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

Would it not be better to divert to Hawaii for a flag stop then continue on to NRT?


OffshoreAir
User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7128 posts, RR: 87
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9884 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 7):
If I was a pax I would be seriously PISSED.

Agreed. What a misuse of a/c and fuel.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
I'm a bit confused.

Same here; still no explination from anyone at CO. AA and UA flights made it all okay.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
L-188, you around?

He was busy blowing you up in Non-Av.  duck 


25 Planespotting : Cheaper gas on the mainland perhaps? This is just a wild guess on my part, as I don't know much about what goes into irregular ops decisions.
26 Penguinflies : I just flew NRT-IAD on UA 804 on 6/16. We took an extreme southern route: Crossed the date line and kept about 500 miles north of Hawaii. crossed the
27 BayAreaBlue : I was wondering why there was a wide-body (777??? - sorry, was on the bus) parked on the hard stands north of the N gates the other day in Delta colo
28 Smcmac32msn : Why wouldn't NW/DL go to SEA instead of SFO considering they have a INTL OPS base there (or used to AFAIK) for fuel and possible crew swap?
29 ChrisA330 : AC's issues from YVR is that ICN/PEK/PVG/NRT flights are operated by B763 or A333 and they do not have the legs to operate a detour around the ash clo
30 Carfield : I think NW chooses SFO because all the Northern Pacific routes are affected, and it makes sense to choose a more southern point of entry because the f
31 Spacecadet : We did the same on ANA flight 10 a few days before - I assumed it was weather, but maybe not. How long has this been going on?
32 Post contains links Spacecadet : When did editing posts go away? Anyway, check this link: http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/20...eruption_at_sarychev_peak_thre.php The interesting par
33 Falcon84 : Is the CO route determined because, a a 777, it's an ETOPS aircraft? Do the 777's ever use the polar route, or do they have to slide by the Aleutians?
34 Jetboy319 : For 3 days now NWA has been routing some 744s MSP-PDX-NRT and DTW-PDX-NRT. All are on the ground for about an hour.
35 MastaHanky : I just got off of NRT-SLC. We took a very southerly track, almost brushing up against the Hawaiian islands before heading up north again and entering
36 AirframeAS : I just checked the AS website. They have no travel advisories right now. I would be too. A diversion to SEA would have been better then do a HNL stop
37 Transpac787 : 777's consistently do trans-polar routings as opposed to the more typical great circle routings. Some routes that come to mind for this, using trans-
38 Stealth777 : Ah that would explain the NW 747 I saw departing out of SFO on monday. Didn't understand why but it was about 6pm when I saw her climbing out over 280
39 Pellegrine : Actually coming back NRT-IAD, you usually are a bit south of ANC because they want the wind benefit. I've flown this before and it was normal. If you
40 ORDflier : What is strange is that UA's flights from Chicago and Washington used Polar routes again today... and yet Continental is routing their flights way sou
41 Flyinryan99 : They may not have the equipment to fly the Polar route. In order to operate they Polar route they need special communication equipment (comms). If th
42 Spacecadet : It was NRT-JFK... I've flown it plenty of times before and we usually fly a bit north of Anchorage, or right over it. This time was *way* south, not
43 DescendVia : Has nothing to do with ETOPS. Polar flights are also conducted under ETOPS rules b/c of the extreme distances to suitable drift down alternates. Gran
44 Alphaomega : Is there some sort of restriction on the CO 772's to not take a polar route? KE and NH out of IAD to ICN and NRT have been on-time or early the last f
45 Pellegrine : Oh ok, never been on the JFK/EWR flights, just IAD-NRT-IAD on UA and ANA, I assumed they'd be the same. Usually going NRT-IAD we'd fly south of Alask
46 DescendVia : Yes but "quite a few" is sort of a misnomer if you think about it. Plus its up to the airlines, not the agencies, to figure if an airport will work.
47 Pellegrine : Why is it up to the airlines? Shouldn't it be a yes or no for everybody? What about: Khatanga (UOHH) Mirny (UERR) Chulman (UELL) Ignatyevo (UHBB) Kad
48 DescendVia : Its the airlines job to evaluate these airports and then get them approved but the FAA (For a US 121 operator) plus the dire emergency ones not appro
49 DescendVia : should read "by" Don't know why editing is not available on this topic
50 Pellegrine : Thanks I like hearing about operations/route planning/whatnot. Maybe I'd be a planner in a different life, I have a thing for maps and how to get to/
51 Crj 900 : Flew on FLt AC 001 YYZ-NRT 16th June ttl flt time was 15h32mins due to major reroute from the volcanic ash we flew yyz-yvr then a very southerly pacif
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