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New Zealand Aviation Thread #58  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12512 times:
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Welcome to the #58th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. In thread #57, New Zealand Aviation #57 - Queens Birthday Edition (by 777ER Jun 2 2009 in Civil Aviation) we learnt and discussed:

- Pacific Blue announce Tasman HLZ-SYD/BNE, DUD-BNE, ZQN-SYD and WLG-SYD flights
- EK confirms no A380s for CHC
- Korumans ideas for NZ long haul
- NZ buying DJ
- NZ buying JQ International (A330 operations)
- ZK-NBS departs AKL for the final time
- EK extends its free domestic connections with PacBlue to WLG and DUD
- JQs star class
- JQ launches domestic services with 2000 free seats
- New Australian airline called Pacific Wings planning on launching Tasman routes with a B733
- Should NZ fly to HND in Japan instead of is current Japanese destinations
- JQ wants Whenuapai opened to commercial traffic
- Should Tiger launch New Zealand operations?
- Is JQ fast becoming the laughing joke of New Zealand aviation?
- PacBlue and JQs schedules
- Hawkes Bay getting ready to build its $9m runway

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12503 times:
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Air NZ passengers down 10pc - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...508132/Air-NZ-passengers-down-10pc

User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12484 times:

All from Thread #57

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 210):
I'm not sure they took any of that into account

No they didn't. But when you spend $14 you don't but you should not expect much in return other than transport and that's it! Nothing more. Be on time don't bring bags etc etc.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 210):
All they saw was $1 or whatever the fare was.

Yeah and ignored all other conditions yet expect to front up whenever they like and still get on. This is just my point.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 210):
The last two points you made were emotive too and I'd question how many Kiwis fly NZ simply because it is the national carrier.

Question away, surveys completed show a vast majority of Kiwi travellers take this into account when booking travel as one of their most important values in a airline.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 210):
How many have quickly ditched NZ for D/JQ/EK or any other airline that goes where they go

Not many, just those looking for the cheapest possible deals.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 210):
Awards too don't mean much. SQ for example, from what I know, don't appear to care much for them.

I love your answer to this, SQ were huge on them until they started loosing some of the bigger awards however you're not going to promote a loss in awards are you?

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 210):
I simply disagree with your point and wonder whether your loyalty to NZ is blinding you just a little

Not at all I've flown all these airlines in question, DJ, JQ, NZ, QF and TR. Plus many others VX, US, FD, UA to name a few. I'm basing my answers on knowledge from what I see working in the industry. I strongly believe in NZ's product and strategy and it's not always been the case.

Ground TG99



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12396 times:
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If you don't have your credit card on you then NZ now lets you pay via POLi if your with ANZ, ASB, BNZ, Kiwibank or TSB Bank

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/manage_bookings/poli/information.htm


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12225 times:
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Jetstar endures rough first week of business - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...dures-rough-first-week-of-business

User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2748 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12196 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Air NZ passengers down 10pc

Whoa, that's a pretty huge plunge. A good time to be shedding 744s then, sadly. I think this puts paid to nay DJ/NZ merger ideas. Everyone has to gett heir own houses in order before pursuing grandiose schemes abroad. I suppose this explains Fyfe's bizarre calls for subsidies and more tourism support over the past few weeks.


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12160 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Air NZ passengers down 10pc



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 5):
Whoa, that's a pretty huge plunge. A good time to be shedding 744s then, sadly. I think this puts paid to nay DJ/NZ merger ideas. Everyone has to gett heir own houses in order before pursuing grandiose schemes abroad

????????

Aerokiwi, I must confess that I don't understand your point at all.

Air New Zealand's passenger numbers may be down 10% but their load factors are up. There is actually nothing to suggest that the airline is actually struggling at the moment.

In aviation demand is cyclical. Sometimes demand drops off and nimble airlines juggle their capacity to match it. This has worked very well for Air NZ: initially they were looking at having the 772, 744 and 763 aircraft operating side by side but the drop in demand coincided with higher oil prices and has allowed the thirsty 744s to be replaced by the 772s.

I know that I'm no supporter of CEO Fyfe but I freely admit that the drop in demand has actually been handled pretty well. My issue now is that a forward-looking airline would next be working on proper future planning, taking into account:

1. Current cheap aircraft purchase prices,
2. Current available early slots for the 788.
3. The fact that the airline has comprehensive traffic rights from an Australia which is not in recession.
4. Dubai is on its last legs economically, which means that Emirates' future looks compromised.
5. Singapore Airlines is struggling, having fully committed itself to ultra-luxury First and Business Class models while neglecting Economy and, crucially, avoiding Premium Economy for fear of cannibalising Business.

I see great opportunities for an Air New Zealand which has weathered the downturn beautifully and which could position itself to take advantage of the above points.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12102 times:

I bet NZ is sorry they extended the lease on 744 SUH now.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12069 times:

I booked a JQ flight to Wellington in February for a couple of weeks and have received my 2nd notice of change in schedule! It's unbelievable how they can screw it up so badly. And also the scheduled timing for AKL-WLG is now 1 hr 15 mins - is that to prevent them from arriving too late - help their OTP? I think people are going to get the perception that they fly slower planes and book NZ or DJ just because it takes 15 mins "less"..


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User currently offlineKnid From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12052 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):

Air New Zealand's passenger numbers may be down 10% but their load factors are up. There is actually nothing to suggest that the airline is actually struggling at the moment.

Yea, loads are up because they've dumped capacity, but don't forget that revenue is down, costs are likely to be down too, but not as much as the drop in revenue. Given the whole swine flu thing coming, and peoples reluctance to fly, I would be holding on to my cash, it might be needed if pax numbers drop dramatically.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
Dubai is on its last legs economically, which means that Emirates' future looks compromised.

I think if anything its future is almost stronger, the city needs revenue, and the airline can deliver, not only in $$, but also with inbound pax, it will be preserved at all costs. Don't forget Dubai is just one of the Emirates, and how they work together is beyond me, but I can't see the others standing by and letting Dubai fail.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
Singapore Airlines is struggling, having fully committed itself to ultra-luxury First and Business Class models while neglecting Economy and, crucially, avoiding Premium Economy for fear of cannibalising Business.

You bet they are, we didn't requalify for their FF programme, in past years, they would have kicked us without a second thought, but now... they said times are tough don't worry about it. However I went away last month, numbers weren't down that much, but some of the conversions that I overheard were very strained, it's not just the airlines struggling.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12044 times:

Returning to the check in deadline from previous thread.... In Europe, some airlines used to have 10 minute check-in, at the gate, when travelling with cabin baggage only. Cynics said this was because, the later they checked you in, there was less time for them to have to look after you if there was a delay. This is important when airlines have to hand out refreshment vouchers or room nights for passengers who have checked-in.

There are famously bad airlines in the USA, who have two counter staff to check-in all the passengers for a 747 flight, and then blame the passengers when they have not made it to the front of the queue. Qantas nearly did that to me at BNE, when I arrived with lots of time for a domestic flight, and the queue was processed at snails pace. When I made it to the front, the agent called to see if I would still be able to travel ( I did). Now, with web check in - you are checked in at home when you print out your boarding card, so the deadline has to be for you to be at the gate by the required time, whether it is 30 or 45 minutes.

The pilots do not need 30 minute to do their departure calculations. If you are travelling with just cabin bags, there is no need to get bags onto the plane, and with buy on board, they are not worried about catering for everyone.

So, is there any reason why Jetstar could not accept passengers at the gate, with cabin bags only, 10 minutes prior to departure?


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12040 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8):
I booked a JQ flight to Wellington in February for a couple of weeks and have received my 2nd notice of change in schedule! It's unbelievable how they can screw it up so badly

Ar the joys! Another reason to use NZ, although NZ does a lot of them as well at least NZ can provide alternatives  Smile

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8):
And also the scheduled timing for AKL-WLG is now 1 hr 15 mins - is that to prevent them from arriving too late

Interesting, my guess is it might be around airport operations, I wonder how much waiting time they spend off the gate waiting for free gate etc? the actual flying time AKLWLG is much less the the 1 hour used by other operators...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8):
help their OTP? I think people are going to get the perception that they fly slower planes and book NZ or DJ just because it takes 15 mins "less"..

I wonder how many people would actually notice? I have a friend who is a travel agent, he has people walk in and ring up wanting to book DJ flights all the time, yes people pay the agent fee's (which are rather high for the work involved) and he just goes online for them and books direct. A lot of people don't know how it all works I tell you.

Ground TG992



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12022 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8):
And also the scheduled timing for AKL-WLG is now 1 hr 15 mins - is that to prevent them from arriving too late - help their OTP?

Are you sure? My reading of the timetable changes was that they've moved to 1h 05m, not 1h 15m. Certainly, my flight AKL-WLG-AKL next week on JQ has been reschedueld on that basis.

A flight AKL-CHC-AKL that I've got in late July is still scheduled at 1h 20m, but departure time has been brought forward by an hour and a half. I have business in HLZ the next day, and had originally planned to fly AKL-CHC-HLZ on NZ, but felt I couldn't pass up the cheap JQ fares ($29 each way plus bags - CHC-HLZ on NZ was showing at $177). The things we do to save money! Now I'll rent a car at AKL and drive to HLZ - but will arrive at a more sensible 9.30pm, instead of the 11.00pm that I would have under the original JQ schedule. Thanks JQ!

On previous threads there's been a suggestion that the baggage cans used by the A320 make loading and unloading a different process compared with the 737. Might this "stretch" in the schedule by 5min be associated with that issue, perhaps?



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User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12010 times:

it seems to me that the idea of jetconnect in New Zealand was to support TT and LAX flights but the idea of JQ on domestic is to undermine NZ's profitability and little else.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12006 times:
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Airport pulls up at compo idea - http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times...085/Airport-pulls-up-at-compo-idea

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11954 times:

NZHerald article on NZ 744s
http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/tri...al-farewell-frequent-flyer/?c_id=7

Overall a pretty good article about the 744, but seriously can't the newspaper PLEASE get someone who knows something about aviation to proof-read first?!!!!
"Reflecting that falling demand, the replacement 777-200s"...ok sure NZ is using the 772ER to replace some 744 flights but the 772ER is not the 744 replacement it was a 763ER replacement for the most part. The 773ER will be the 744 replacement and NZ HAS ordered these.
"Perhaps more importantly, the 777-400s, which over the next three years will become the long-haul mainstay, use 15 per cent less fuel per passenger as well as having superior cargo capabilities." Awesome! looks like NZ will be the first airline to get the 777-400!  Yeah sure lol... well perhaps Boeing may develop it I highly doubt it! NZ has ordered the 777-300ER to replace its 747-400's. Good to mention the improved cargo though... some guy posted a reply to the article talking about cargo on the 777. He says there is reduced space on the 777 which is of course not true especially when talking about the 773ER.
Comments that they have less space for passengers.... well yes less legroom seing that they are 33" insted of 34" seat pitch in Y...but they are wider seats, have the same amount of overhead luggage space yet 1 less pax per row so don't know what people are complaining about... 777 are very nice aircraft to fly in (but I still like my 744 for sure).



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User currently offlineQF45 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11932 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):

They shouldn't be too worried very unlikely they will ever get long haul flights actually I will put money on it they don't!


User currently offlinePewpew320 From New Zealand, joined Mar 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11906 times:

It seems NZ 0939 AKL to OOL is a 733 this Saturday, is this a last minute subtitute for an A320? or a mistake in the booking system and it really is an A320? Any chance someone could find out for me?

Thanks!


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11873 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 12):
Are you sure? My reading of the timetable changes was that they've moved to 1h 05m, not 1h 15m.

Whoops, my bad. Sorry, even A.Net can't relieve my stress at the moment!

What a bummer, missing out on that chance to test JQ out.. And also the CHC-HLZ sector..

Quoting TG992 (Reply 11):

I'm only flying them to test them out this time (other times later this year are for $5 or $0) because I wanted to make a TR comparing the 3 airlines.

Funnily enough after I confirmed over the internet, they decide to ring me and confirm via telephone which would have been much more costly for them to be ringing my cellphone (maybe they'll charge for that in the future too?  Wink)

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 12):
On previous threads there's been a suggestion that the baggage cans used by the A320 make loading and unloading a different process compared with the 737. Might this "stretch" in the schedule by 5min be associated with that issue, perhaps?

If so, I believe it'd be enough of a reason for NZ to not go with the A320 series and stick with the 737s.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):

They are going to redraw the council's noise plans for widebodies. Obviously they'd have to do it but it's rather amusing how they think that they're going to get a lot of widebody services in and out of HLZ unless they attract cargo airlines and offer much cheaper rates..

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):

I saw this and couldn't stop laughing at the 777-400 and the 772ER being a replacement for the 744.



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11866 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):
Perhaps more importantly, the 777-400s, which over the next three years will become the long-haul mainstay, use 15 per cent less fuel per passenger as well as having superior cargo capabilities." Awesome! looks like NZ will be the first airline to get the 777-400!

You never know how this might turn out. Some Asian carriers asked Boeing to look at a 777-400, which would have about 50 extra passengers, while keeping the range of the 77W. This aircraft would have had the capacity of a 744.


Now that Boeing are discussing new ideas at Paris, including a new wing 777 anything is possible. If that is the way Boeing goes, would they give it a stretch, like the 738 compared with the 734? You might have Emirates wanting ever more range out of the plane, though Boeing seem to be talking about an 8000 mile range plane. And AirNZ could be one of the first to operate a new version.


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11855 times:



Quoting Pewpew320 (Reply 17):
It seems NZ 0939 AKL to OOL is a 733 this Saturday, is this a last minute subtitute for an A320? or a mistake in the booking system and it really is an A320? Any chance someone could find out for me?

Theres been several TT flights operated by 733's from CHC lately. This is most probably correct



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11851 times:

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 19):
You never know how this might turn out. Some Asian carriers asked Boeing to look at a 777-400, which would have about 50 extra passengers, while keeping the range of the 77W. This aircraft would have had the capacity of a 744.

But the first customer for such a product doesn't seem that likely IMO as they haven't even received the 77W. And I'm not really sure if they'll find these too small to begin with. How much more efficient over the 748 does it have to be before they'll start ordering them? NZ only goes with fairly small orders too. If the 77Ws are kept for 20 years like the 744s have been, I wouldn't think we'd be a launch customer.

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 20):
Theres been several TT flights operated by 733's from CHC lately. This is most probably correct

The result of having one less 763 which the A320s have to make up for, I'm guessing?

[Edited 2009-06-18 00:37:19]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11831 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 18):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):


They are going to redraw the council's noise plans for widebodies. Obviously they'd have to do it but it's rather amusing how they think that they're going to get a lot of widebody services in and out of HLZ unless they attract cargo airlines and offer much cheaper rates..

Only way for HLZ to receive widebodys IMHO if its used as a diversion airport for when AKL is closed


User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11821 times:



Quoting Pewpew320 (Reply 17):
It seems NZ 0939 AKL to OOL is a 733 this Saturday, is this a last minute subtitute for an A320? or a mistake in the booking system and it really is an A320? Any chance someone could find out for me?

That is very likely a 733. It has been several times recently.


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2277 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11801 times:
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Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 7):
I bet NZ is sorry they extended the lease on 744 SUH now.

You wouldn't be saying that if you knew how much we were paying for it in lease fees. We are laughing.

Quoting Pewpew320 (Reply 17):
It seems NZ 0939 AKL to OOL is a 733 this Saturday, is this a last minute subtitute for an A320? or a mistake in the booking system and it really is an A320? Any chance someone could find out for me?



Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 20):
Theres been several TT flights operated by 733's from CHC lately. This is most probably correct



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
The result of having one less 763 which the A320s have to make up for, I'm guessing?



Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 23):
That is very likely a 733. It has been several times recently.

This is due to OJC and OJD in maintenance at CHC. OJC has over run by a few days for various reasons I won't go into, thus the 733 is substituting.

NZ1


25 Flyjetstar : Let me guess. Something to do with the issues you referred to a while back which make you a fan of the 737 series rather than the A320 series?
26 SunriseValley : What efforts have been made to reduce fixed costs? I note that there was to be a reduction in flight personnel. What about in maintenance, sales, res
27 ETA Unknown : NZ1- I know the lease on SUH is a pittance, but is it not a surplus airframe now?
28 Post contains links Flyjetstar : For those Kiwis living here in Australia and wondering about the Grabaseat from here, check out this website.
29 NZ1 : Not really. Still up around 11 hours a day utilisation. FYI SUJ is the next to go, mid next year. NZ1
30 KiwiRob : Australia may not be in recession right now, all is not rosey, if unemployment figurers hit the expected 8.5% next year it will be. At the moment it'
31 PA515 : My understanding of the A320 series was that baggage cans are optional and conversion from cans to bulk loading is easily achieved by removing the ca
32 NZ107 : It'd seem a bit harder if they were utilising the whole fleet for both domestic and international purposes (interchanging the planes constantly) howe
33 NZ747 : Do you know what may become of it once returned to ILFC? Hopefully this 11 year old frame gets a new home.
34 Pewpew320 : Cheers guys! A little disappointed but oh well, how often do you fly in a 733 for 3+ hours ;D
35 ZKSUJ : I'd buy it and convert it into a holiday home. Thats if I win Big Wednesday next week
36 Post contains links 777ER : Sorry mate, but I'm winning that!! A New Zealander who is a pilot for Medflight in Ann Arbour, Michigan, USA was killed when the glider he was in cra
37 NZ107 : How about MEL-PER? lol. Wouldn't that be fun in a 734! You'd still be able to shout us all a Suites/EK F ticket to the other side of the world and ba
38 Post contains links NZ107 : Pacific Blue Challenges Rivals PB is challenging JQ and NZ to list the company's OTP on their websites. I think NZ should theoretically do 2 if they w
39 NZ1 : No idea sorry. If it can't be re-leased, then scrapping is an option I suppose. NZ1
40 ANstar : Not really if they go by on time departure (push back), which I believe is the standard here in aus.
41 NZ107 : So then the extra 5 min is somewhat unjustified unless they really have gate trouble in AKL and WLG..
42 Flyjetstar : I agree with the DJ guy. I think JQ have been playing hard and fast with OTP figures. I wasn't able to see an OTP for JQ in the 90's since JQ started
43 ANstar : The 5 mins prob does help them downline if they need to catch up time though on a turn I guess... hadnt thought that one through!
44 RichardJF : Opportunity for NZ politically is right now because the next election will be much closer and the govt will be more circumspect. At this point the gov
45 NZ107 : I can't wait to see the JQ one crumble because ZQN is fogged in or just a little bit cloudy. I'd believe if they accept this challenge, it won't be u
46 777ER : I think what PacBlue is challanging is excellent, but for JQ right now, they should be given time to sort out their issues for a more true OTP. Its g
47 Post contains links 777ER : Here is Pacific Blue's on-time record http://www.flypacificblue.com/Person.../Ontimeperformance/OTPPB/index.htm Janurary - 95% on time February - 91%
48 Post contains links 777ER : ZEAL 'cancellation' of annual leave lawful - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2517...ancellation-of-annual-leave-lawful
49 Zkpilot : Whilst Australia recorded positve GDP figures for the previous quarter, almost all financial analysts and government analysts agree that it was proba
50 KiwiRob : Exectly so I don't know why koruman is always harping on about Aussie being the land of milk and honey ripe for NZ to plunder, I know a bucket load o
51 PA515 : This is an illogical comparison. NZ currently has bulk loaded baggage for Domestic 733's and can loaded baggage for International 320's. The aircraft
52 Post contains links 777ER : World's airlines in fight for survival - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ds-airlines-in-fight-for-survival/
53 Nzrich : Mind you remember when Pac Blue started domestic in NZ their on time performance was terrible too until they changed their schedules .. JQ will be ex
54 Cchan : Not often: that is a flight I rather not be on.
55 Nzrich : Mind you its better than the flight being cancelled and the passengers do get some compensation for the down grade in entertainment ..
56 RichardJF : Cabin changes are just not enough for NZ.
57 777ER : What makes you say that? From what I've seen when flying Space+ and the A320s after receiving their upgrades the passengers really enjoy the extra sp
58 VirginFlyer : It used to be a lot more common - before the A320s the 737 filled a similar role on trans-Tasman and Pacific routes. I flew to Rarotonga and back in
59 Post contains links Axio : Jetstar continue to drive passengers to use other airlines... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10579751
60 TG992 : " target=_blank>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...79751 I just read this, Oh how much I love seeing JetStar do this, wonder when people will lea
61 TG992 : This backs up my comments from thread #57, people need to have completed their check in 30 minutes before not just arriving 30 minutes before or parki
62 TravellerPlus : The JQ check-in stories remind me of when NZ went to the Express model. At first there was a flurry of similar stories of strict check-in enforcement.
63 Flyjetstar : You are being very selective in your quoting from the article! Hardly a surprise. The passenger goes on to say "Cole said the response was "a blatant
64 ANstar : And this is the problem... they think because the flgith is still baording and they can hear annoiuncements thaqt they will be accepted to chweck in.
65 Alangirvan : If Jetstar is not providing enough check in staff to manage queues in a timely manner, that is their fault. If people are joining the queue 60 minute
66 777ER : I think WIAL buying a bit of the golf couse for expansion, like put some gates over on that side or use it for car park space would be an excellent i
67 Zkpilot : Yes and no... T's&C's with the ticket purchase says that the passengers need to be checked in 30mins prior to departure time. I don't know any airlin
68 Alangirvan : My problem is that there do seem to be some airlines (not in NZ) where you get in the line well before the 30 minutes, and they do not have enough sta
69 Cchan : If I get to the gate and see a 733 there, then too bad I have to put up with it. But when I have a choice at booking, I would try to avoid a 737 for
70 777ER : But what happens if the passengers are waiting in-line (obviously arrived before the 30mins cut off) and the JQ check-in staff are too slow at checki
71 Post contains links 777ER : The Airport Flyer bus that runs between WLG - CBD - Hutt Valley is from today offering its passengers Wifi internet on a brand new fleet of buses whic
72 Alangirvan : Now the issues with check in times for Jetstar are making it onto Radio NZ news broadcasts, with comments from Consumer organisations. Whether this is
73 SunriseValley : where are the drop-off/pickup points in the CBD?
74 777ER : At all main bus stops in the CBD. Each bus stop that is served by the Airport Flyer has a special orange Airport Flyer sign attached to the bus stop.
75 Post contains links 777ER : Jetstar unrepentant about leaving behind rugby fans - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2522...nt-about-leaving-rugby-fans-behind The article states "Co
76 DavidByrne : There have been strong views expressed on the JQ check-in issue, but I don't think it's at all black and white, but rather a shade of grey: * First, t
77 Alangirvan : Of course the good thing about all these JQ problems is that they will have sorted them all out by the time they start Dunedin service.
78 Airvan00 : I have never had a problem checking in with Jetstar. Most people over here check in on line the day before or use the self service check in machines
79 Nzrich : Hey in the end all this about JQ highlights the importance of being checked in well before the last check in time .. If you turn up last minute there
80 777ER : Why doesn't JQ offer online check-in here if its proven to be effective in Australia? I'm very interested in what the Commerce Comminsion say
81 777ER : The 1,000,000th Australian passenger arrived in CHC today and the less most trusted brand in New Zealand is Korean Air Source: One News
82 Axio : As was well put, Jetstar is a new brand to the New Zealand domestic market and they have to establish themselves an image. So far that image is of a
83 Airvan00 : I smile at some of the comments about JQ. Welcome to the world of LCC's. If you think JQ is being difficiult wait till you see Tiger. The same comment
84 Mariner : I've flown fairly extensively with LCC's in the US and Europe, and I've never had a problem. mariner
85 Airvan00 : No, I don’t think it’s a problem either. You just have to play by their rules. Check in before their deadline because their cheap fares require h
86 DavidByrne : This is exactly the point. There was no empathy, and a willingness to publicly contradict their passengers, even to rather unsubtly suggest they were
87 NZCH : On the 5th of June, I flew NZ39, Auckland-Loondon Heathrow via Hong Kong, In Premium Economy. I heard somewhere, i think on a previous NZ thread, that
88 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ flight suffers cockput window crack - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2524...plane-flew-with-cracked-windshield
89 PA515 : NZ would be able to compare forward bookings from previous years plus economic forecasts. The NZ Timetable has HKG-LHR-HKG on Wed ceasing from 23rd S
90 Axio : Interesting... I am booked DUD -> AKL on Pacific Blue at the end of August and it seems like the flights I'm taking no longer exist. I wonder when Pa
91 TG992 : Oh of course, it's the idea in trying to make a point isn't it? Moving on from that, Its great to see NZ come out and now bail anyone out who is stuf
92 Post contains links Axio : as described here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/252827...es-for-stranded-Jetstar-passengers I couldn't but smile when I saw that. Like them or not,
93 ANstar : And kudos for them being so quick to react to these sorts of things....
94 777ER : Its certainly a further kick in the balls for JQ. I wonder how many more kicks JQ can handle.
95 Flyjetstar : How arrogant are Jetstar to claim "Jetstar executive manager commercial David Koczkar said today it was "ironic" that it was only after Jetstar's entr
96 QF45 : I just wish either Pacific Blue or Jetstar would get serious about New Zealand. INCREASE YOUR FREQUENCIES!!! Personally I don't like to fly NZ, Not a
97 RichardJF : The reality is that JQ could put 2-3 extra 320's on the main trunk and put a ton of pressure on NZ's bottom line.
98 ZKOJH : 787 DELAYED AGAIN; are nz getting fed up with this aircraft, time to get some a330's??
99 Cchan : Or the 763 and 772 can stay longer. IMHO, there is no urgent need for replacement of these 2 types at NZ.
100 Post contains links NZ107 : Definitely one thing I noticed sitting at AKL today. So many NZ 733s coming and going and I think it was 2 JQ and 1 PB landing. It's a telling sign o
101 QF45 : I would love to see either Jetstar or Pacific Blue mirror NZ's timetable..... Oneday maybe.
102 Mariner : Given the rate at which other airlines are ordering the A330 it may be a bit late for Air NZ to jump on that particular bandwagon. Missed the (air)bu
103 DavidByrne : I think that the earlier poster who suggested that the current mix of 77Es and 763s was quite comfortable for NZ hit the nail on the head. The 763s a
104 VirginFlyer : Can the New Zealand domestic market sustain 2 operators flying NZ's type of schedule? I'm not convinced the market exists, no matter how much 'invest
105 777ER : And the New Zealand public who have been screwed over by JQ are thanking NZ for coming to their rescue as JQ clearly doesn't believe in customer serv
106 Mariner : I wasn't thinking of them as interim, particularly. mariner
107 DavidByrne : Sorry, I misunderstood the point then. Was the idea that they might replace 763s or 77Es, or would enable the cancellation of the 789s? I find it har
108 Mariner : To be of any immediate value, yes. But I am intrigued by those airlines, such as Singapore, who see the need for both the A333 and the 789 in their f
109 TG992 : A minor point of interest - the 777 is weight restricted out of HKG, sometimes up to 30 seats have to be left empty depending on the outside temperatu
110 NZ107 : I don't necessarily believe so, but increased competition at peak times will certainly change the face of New Zealand's domestic aviation. Point bein
111 Post contains links NZB : An excellent website has been set up by NZALPA commemorating the 30th anniversary of the loss of TE901. It's an excellent site, very well done. It has
112 SunriseValley : I would say this is more than "minor" ! It would be interesting to know why. I assume this relates to HKG-LHR. It is difficult to sort through this w
113 777ER : Any one know why DJ68 (BNE-WLG) is delayed 7 hours this morning? I hope when DJ announce regional route with Ejets that they also announce increased f
114 Post contains links 777ER : Jetstar is a rush to improve services - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/253281...star-in-a-rush-to-improve-services In a new twist to the rugby fans bei
115 Aerokiwi : I used this service once about 6 months ago and it was utterly useless. Absolutely no space for luggage, served every stop on the route (it's really
116 GarethW : That's my understanding also. Which from my pen & paper calc is max pax (in new 304 pax config) plus around 13-14K pounds surplus for cargo etc. My t
117 Mariner : "Wondrous"? Oh, I'm sure not. I don't think I used the word wondrous, I think I said "useful." mariner[Edited 2009-06-24 17:10:17]
118 TG992 : Sorry guys, you are right. I just looked up the info, and it says quite clearly "In addition, the 777s’ take-off performance is affected by weight
119 SunriseValley : Bang on
120 SunriseValley : Thanks very much for clearing this up. I would not be surprised if HKG-LHR is NZ's best yielding cargo sector.[Edited 2009-06-24 17:16:18]
121 GarethW : Agreed. I bet NZ are licking their lips at the prospect of a strengthening global economy and being able to put a 77W on the route sometime in 2010.
122 DavidByrne : I regularly use this service on my trips to WLG and I have no difficulty with it at all. The idea of having to walk down the road to catch the #11 is
123 Aerokiwi : Sorry to suggest you said "wondrous", but to justify an entirely new aircraft type, engines, parts, training etc, it would have to offer something pr
124 Knid : You know you screwed up when you get your own Tui board, the one on the motorway (Greenlane) says "Jetstar's off to a flyer"
125 DavidByrne : Sorry, but I'm just not attracted to the idea of lugging my bags several hundred metres down the road to the bus stop for the #11. Just not going to
126 Aerokiwi : I'm not saying it isn't legitimate. I'm just saying that for a very substandard service, it's a total rip and Infratil is the ultimate beneficiary of
127 Post contains links NZ107 : Provincial Air Fares 'Stink' Some people are unhappy with the high domestic fares - his argument was that GIS-CHC cost $900 return when a TT fare cost
128 AirbusA322 : It would be great to PB commence a 7am~ AKL-CHC service, otherwise to get there by at least 9am you need to go via Wellington, which is fun and all,
129 MillwallSean : Problem is that the same crowd that are screaming now will still book whoever is cheapest. The "Loyalty to the lowest price" is a strong motivation f
130 Post contains links NZ107 : Mid-Air Resuscitation on Air NZ Flight Always good to have a doctor onboard.. NZ452 WLG-AKL
131 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ - Virgin Blue link touted - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark...924/Air-NZ-Virgin-Blue-link-touted
132 ZK-NBT : With 5 currently on firm order I'd have thought that once they have 3 they would put them on NZ1/2 first since they will have new cabins. Then the re
133 NZ107 : I'm sure they could find a better destination than NRT.. If they can't even fill a 767 that often, there wouldn't be a use for a 77W going to Japan.
134 GarethW : The 5 currently on order (taking into account demand at the time they were ordered) seems to be a perfect fit for both NZ1/2 & NZ38/39 so as to stand
135 Kiwiandrew : being lazy here ... does anyone have an approx timeframe for the delivery of the 5 77W on order , I believe the first one is due late next year but I
136 DavidByrne : . . . except that to run daily on both LHR flights would require 6 aircraft.
137 NZB : OKI - Nov 2010 OKJ - Jan 2011 OKK - Mar 2011 OKL - Nov 2011
138 Kiwiandrew : true , but then I assume the -200ERs will be retrofitted with the new cabin product so they can probably cover a couple of rotations AKL-xxx-LHR per
139 ZK-NBT : FEB 2012 for the 5th one according to NZ1 I'm pretty sure it was. I'm sure it will to. You need 6 to run daily and that with no spare so thats what I
140 NZ107 : I know NZ1 said that they would get rid of a 744 per every 77W they get.. But would it make sense to hold onto a 744 until they sort out the upgrades
141 GarethW : Very true guys, I stand corrected. Thanks. Surely a fleet of 7 minimum will come to fruition in that case. Agree, however it happens with all airline
142 SunriseValley : Yep, AKL-LAX, 25t of freight, double the 744. Makes you wonder if they should continue one of the services onto ORD or JFK just for the freight, whic
143 VirginFlyer : The problem with going to smaller aircraft to increase frequencies is that your per-seat costs go up. So, assuming the market is currently fairly wel
144 Mariner : I think that's a bit harsh on those of us who live in the country. It has taken you several paragraphs to explain why some country airfares can be so
145 777ER : An add on service like that would provide better connections to the Chicago, Michigan, New York, Florida side of the USA (Sorry I forget if its the e
146 NZ107 : Of course they have the option of remaining as it is and just having a few less seats being filled. But I think businesses trust Air New Zealand, the
147 Dddale : With the further delay of the Boeing 787-9 for Air New Zealand, would any compensation from Boeing help Air New Zealand go with a Boeing 737-700/800 r
148 NZ107 : We have been talking about this. It's a big possibility that they receive some hefty discount of some sort. A couple of months ago, NZ sent out a (ca
149 Dddale : Thank you NZ107. Yes, I recall the conversation around the replacement study. As there is some more delay at Boeing regarding the B787, I imagine thi
150 SunriseValley : What effects do you think the delay might have on the evaluation process that is just getting underway? To me, at this time, there is no indication o
151 DavidByrne : That depends entirely on the state of the economy, but I think that NZ is well-placed any which way to address the problem. If you look at my post #1
152 SunriseValley : I thought it was less than 7.
153 GarethW : 5 according to NZ website.
154 DavidByrne : Sorry, typo. The total of 18 WBs was correct, though - 5x77W, 8x77E, 5x763
155 Aerokiwi : I thought it was very well reasoned. Then again, I am a city slicker. But frankly all this comes down to choice. You chose to live in the country to
156 DavidByrne : Reduced to its fundamentals, the question is really whether NZ should cross-subsidise provincial routes with more expensive seat-km costs with money
157 Mariner : Yes, it does come down to choice and mostly we don't complain about the costs associated with it. I accept, for example, that if I buy a plant on Tra
158 Rongotai : All the discussion about this reminds me of a long conversation I had on these topics with a very senior AirNZ manager at a conference we were both a
159 GarethW : Spot on, but I should qualify that I'm a city boy also! Excellent post. While the answer to your question (b) is a straightforward 'yes', question (a
160 Kiwiandrew : if NZ were really gouging people living in the countryside dont you think another airline would have been smart enough to jump on the bandwagon and st
161 Mariner : Hopefully, the rules of the free market kick in and there, yes, I'm lucky in that I have some (limited) choice. I don't usually fly WRE-AKL, but on a
162 Post contains links Jamie86 : http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.ph...12697991678&h=mRK5y&u=gpq5q&ref=nf check this out
163 Mariner : See post #161 - Salt Air. mariner
164 NZ107 : Great find! Now they should go ahead and replace the actual video with that one..
165 Post contains links NZB : This is the new Safety video go's live on 737 a/c on Monday. Jamie86 I'll add a direct link as the face book link comes up with a warning when you cl
166 Post contains links NZB : I'll Try again Bloopers of Bare Essentials of Safety from Air New Zealand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsLy9Y7KsVI
167 Post contains links Rwy21 : Air NZ increases trans-tasman flights to Central Otago. http://nz.biz.yahoo.com/090626/3/d1yl.html
168 KiwiRob : If you are staff and get bumped who pays for your additional nights accommodation?
169 Kiwiandrew : excellent ! so the free market is working exactly as it should , and , presumably , in other markets the same thing has happened or will happen if NZ
170 Alangirvan : Discount fares in regional markets is what they were trying to do in Australia pre deregulation. In Australia, they wanted everyone to benefit nationa
171 PA515 : The staff member pays, or they sleep in the terminal. PA515
172 Post contains images Mariner : If it is allowed to. But I would imagine that if Salt Air ever starts to impinge noticeably on Air NZ, they will either be bought by Air NZ or driven
173 777ER : RFI (request for information) Thanls for the better link. Certainly got a few laughs from it
174 Kiwiandrew : I never said that there was something wrong with complaining , but I do think that they need to be sure that they are comparing like with like , and
175 Mariner : The $900 fare that started all this mat indeed be last minute, but I don't know how unusual it is. What bought me into this was the concept that some
176 Kiwiandrew : fair enough ... on the other hand I have to say that I dont like the implication in the discussion that 'city folk' never get stung with high last mi
177 Mariner : I've think this horse has probably been flogged beyond death, but let me say again, what I found objectionable was the following statement: I don't w
178 ANstar : seems both both DJ and NZ had SYD-AKL flights cancelled due to an inop radar at BNE tonight[Edited 2009-06-26 04:35:55]
179 VirginFlyer : Uh oh, looks like I opened the veritable can of worms here... Sorry, that wasn't my intention at all, and I apologise unreservedly if it came across t
180 NZ107 : Looking at this fog up here in Auckland, I was just wondering if anyone knew if DJ's 738s have RNP or not.. And if it'd make a difference in landing a
181 QF45 : In regards to the Beech 1900D - Is NZ operating the best possible aircraft for New Zealand's regional routes (ie GIS-WLG) in regards to cost of operat
182 Mariner : I did. And to make the point, I was not "offended" by what you said (I have the hide of a rhinoceros), simply that I found the concept objectionable
183 NZ107 : There basically isn't any other suitable aircraft for these small routes. NZ got rid of their EMB-110s and replaced them with the B1900Ds - similar i
184 NZ747 : Not really any other option as good as the B1900. There aren't really any manufacturers making under 19 seater turbo props these days. I can't think
185 Zkpilot : Not to mention increased costs due to larger size and the fact that they need to have a FA onboard! Also the Q200 is no longer in production.
186 NZ107 : I wonder if NZ could get PAC onto a plane suitable for use on those runs. It'd be rather interesting.. They were looking at some sort of passenger pl
187 777ER : Certainly QF and REX in Austalia as well as Air Rarotonga would be interested if the price and techs were right
188 777ER : REALDEAL will be sad with this news, but passenger numbers into ZQN on the direct flights have steadily picked up this winter with more Australians pi
189 ZK-NBT : CX have loaded 744s to return to the CX107/108 HKG-AKL route from October 26th through March 27th 2010. Good news, hopefully they last through the who
190 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Editorial: The lesson Jetstar must learn The services industry mantra that the customer is king seems sometimes to have escaped the notice of the worl
191 NZ107 : Interesting if they keep it like that. Maybe it's due to a drop in sales to other parts of the world and they have some 744s free. Unless they're rev
192 NZA320 : Hey, I may have missed an announcement or something but looking at DJs timetable for August it seems that they have no more direct flights between CH
193 Axio : In reference to reply 192: I was booked to do DUD-CHC-AKL on Pacific Blue late August. I'm still waiting for an email with my revised itinerary given
194 ZKOJH : Pacific Blue cuts back 4:00AM Saturday Jun 27, 2009 Pacific Blue is cutting back on its domestic capacity as it redeploys planes to new transtasman ro
195 TG992 : To return to the 777 HKG issues.. On Friday night HKG had to offload 24 people on staff travel as well as 8 tonnes of cargo due to the weather. This f
196 ZK-NBT : Friday night, was that a HKG-AKL sector then. 24 staff on 1 flight, hmm seems a lot. 45 spare, how are loads doing to HKG in general? As it looks lik
197 TG992 : Sorry, I should have mentioned that, shouldn't I. It was the HKG-LHR sector.
198 NZ107 : Seems like Jetstar have had more problems today - my friend was delayed for at least 7 hours in Auckland waiting for his plane to CHC to come in.. And
199 ZK-NBT : All good, just the HKG-LHR sector leaves HKG in the morning. Thats all. Hehe. My first ever flight was on a CO 747 742 I think or 741 even, from AKL-
200 Post contains links Rongotai : Here are a couple of vanshed 747s at AKL http://www.flickr.com/photos/flissphil/268838153/ And here is a CO 747 I am waiting to board for AKL http://w
201 GarethW : Thanks for this info TG992, I'm very interested in this continuing issue. The mathematics of it doesn't sit very well with me, so I'm off to do some
202 NZ107 : Thanks for the pics! Very interesting lookout area - things have changed a fair bit since those days! I can barely remember the funny layout of AKL i
203 Post contains images VirginFlyer : The problem is, could PAC profitably build something that is sufficiently superior to the 1900? The 1900 is a pretty good aircraft I am told (I'm dea
204 Vfw614 : I don't think it is a pressing issue. Eagle has some of the newest Beech 1900Ds around and they could fly them easily for at least another 20 years,
205 VirginFlyer : For the sake of comparison with DJ and JQ, I don't suppose one of the schedule nerds (to borrow TG992's term) could dig up the old Ansett NZ schedules
206 NZ747 : It is a huge investment to start production of an aircraft like this. I just wouldn't think PAC would have the funds to kick off development. The 19
207 Vfw614 : However, the D228-200 NG and the DHC6-400 (and also the "GAF N24 Nomad NG" by the way) both show what the problem is: They are both brought back into
208 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #59 is here New Zealand Aviation Thread #59 (by 777ER Jun 28 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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