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QF A380 Called "A3-Lately Or The A-180"  
User currently offlineHaYnFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21030 times:

Some flyers are not happy about Qantas's A380. All airplanes have their detractors so nothing new here, just thought this an interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald. By the way, it is written as an opinion/editorial, and not a "factual" news article:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/too-la...when-in-the-air-20090617-chtq.html


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts."
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User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21005 times:

"Another passenger reported an A380 flying to LA earlier last month had a faulty fuel gauge which showed a full tank halfway into the flight."

How would a passenger know that? i doubt that sort of thing gets broadcast by the pilots!


User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2215 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20585 times:

The thing that really hit me hardest in this piece was the part about Russ being bothered by Business Class grunts trying to get to the First Class crapper. That takes a lot of nerve trying to pay for a Business Class crapper and then sneak into the First Calss Chrome Throne, and to prevent the Gladiator from getting some much-needed shut-eye! Appalling that Kwuantas would allow such a thing. I'll stick to Untied, thank you very much.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20519 times:

Bit of a non story IMHO.

The best part of the article is ::

"Technically the A380 has had its teething problems," he said yesterday. But he says 747s had similar teething problems when they were introduced by Boeing.''


As will the B787 and the A350 and so on ......


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20557 times:

another slow news day and a bored writer looking for a new story

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12349 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20479 times:

"The A380 is so quiet first class passengers could hear any clatter nearby"

See, Boeing was right, A380 needs louder engines!



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20293 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
"Technically the A380 has had its teething problems," he said yesterday. But he says 747s had similar teething problems when they were introduced by Boeing.''

Wow...really silly to use THAT comparison. After all, one would hope given the, what, 35 odd years between the two events that Airbus would have made SOME progress. Yikes.  Wink


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20293 times:



Quoting Wingman (Reply 2):
The thing that really hit me hardest in this piece was the part about Russ being bothered by Business Class grunts trying to get to the First Class crapper. That takes a lot of nerve trying to pay for a Business Class crapper and then sneak into the First Calss Chrome Throne, and to prevent the Gladiator from getting some much-needed shut-eye! Appalling that Kwuantas would allow such a thing. I'll stick to Untied, thank you very much.

The QF F crapper is very nice. It's like a powder room in someone's suburban modern home. It had nice toiletries, one of those bowl style sinks, nice floors, etc. When I flew it (744ER), I wouldn't have wanted it crowded up by J class "grunts."

Also, I believe that QF tries to clean the F crappers after each use, which means more work for the F/As in F if J pax keep using it...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20163 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 6):
Airbus would have made SOME progress. Yikes.  

Different technology. You must have missed hundreds of threads.  Wink


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20063 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Different technology. You must have missed hundreds of threads. Wink

The 747 was unique in its time, and most of the teething problems were with its engines.

What's unique about the A380 that's causing the teething problems?


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5316 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20042 times:

This is proof that under-researched, sensationalist "journalism" is not limited to North America.

Quote:
And while pilots who fly the A380 say they are confident in the planes, the Air France A330 crash last month and other recent incidents involving high tech Airbuses have sparked concerns about over-reliance on technology which has essentially "pilot-proofed" aircraft.

Around the world, aviation experts and pilots are debating whether planes are becoming too automated for pilots to control in emergencies, in which computers override pilots.

 banghead   banghead   sarcastic 


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19840 times:

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 10):
This is proof that under-researched, sensationalist "journalism" is not limited to North America.

Oh come on! We all know Airbus pilots have it easy. They sit in the La-Z-Boy and just push a button. The computers do all the rest.  Wink  Wink  Wink

Edit: added smilies just in case

[Edited 2009-06-17 13:18:28]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19823 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 10):
This is proof that under-researched, sensationalist "journalism" is not limited to North America.

True.

Since almost every crash ever is due to pilot error (even if instigated by a mechanical failure of some kind), the pilot proofing of aircraft has saved countless lives, preventing them from making some too common human errors and taking some of the work out of emergencies, giving them the opportunity to focus on getting the plane down safely.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19692 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 11):
Oh come on! We all know Airbus pilots have it easy. They sit in the La-Z-Boy and just push a button. The computers do all the rest

Yep that button on the A320 overhead panel labelled "PUSH TO DITCH IN HUDSON" is a fine piece of automation from the Airbus people

Don't worry Khobar, I can sense your irony, even from 3,500miles away!

Regards, Shankly



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User currently offlineAllegro From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19619 times:

Maybe QF should hire some SQ maitenance personnel  smile  ... which to me is the real story here ... Australian press wants to blame Airbus, but we all know that SQ and EK are doing fine with theirs.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 6):
Wow...really silly to use THAT comparison. After all, one would hope given the, what, 35 odd years between the two events that Airbus would have made SOME progress

IIRC, the 777 had an exceptionally smooth EIS. Cannot remember if the first A330's or A340's had teething problems, but it does not seem like they did ... no memorable stories.

I have to admit I have always held a grain of salt wrt full automation of an airplane. It seems like the designers want to out-pilot a pilot ... but then again I do not own a iPod  eek 



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19573 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 11):
Oh come on! We all know Airbus pilots have it easy. They sit in the La-Z-Boy and just push a button. The computers do all the rest.

I remember seeing an Airbus video for the A320. The video kept referencing to the "Flight Monitors" which I thought was the DU or something, but couldn't have been based on they way they were being referred to. So, I asked the instructor "what do they mean by Flight Monitor?". The response: "Airbus considers pilots Flight Monitors as the plane flys and the pilots just monitor the flight." I nearly fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19472 times:



Quoting the article cited in the (Thread starter):
Another passenger reported an A380 flying to LA earlier last month had a faulty fuel gauge which showed a full tank halfway into the flight

Aha! Airbus did not design an automated finger to periodically tap that "fuel gauge" so that the needle would get unstuck and show the correct fullness of tank. So the pilots do have something to do!
 Silly



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19237 times:



Quoting Wingman (Reply 2):
The thing that really hit me hardest in this piece was the part about Russ being bothered by Business Class grunts trying to get to the First Class crapper. That takes a lot of nerve trying to pay for a Business Class crapper and then sneak into the First Calss Chrome Throne, and to prevent the Gladiator from getting some much-needed shut-eye! Appalling that Kwuantas would allow such a thing. I'll stick to Untied, thank you very much.

ROFL!! 'spect!

Quoting Allegro (Reply 14):
IIRC, the 777 had an exceptionally smooth EIS

I heard UA was very unhappy at first.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18909 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 17):
I heard UA was very unhappy at first.

As was BA, but that was with the GE engines more than anything else



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18734 times:

The only real problem is good paying pax not wanting to be booked on the plane. It's hard to believe that the 744s are preferred by some. QF needs to get over their learning curve.

User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6389 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 18237 times:

And that journalist seems to blame on Airbus when Emirates gets TOW 100 tonnes wrong on a 345 and walks away from that with a tail strike...

Let's get some hard dispatch rates instead. And if QF rates are very inferior to other operators, then there is something to learn.



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17464 times:
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Quoting Brons2 (Reply 17):
I heard UA was very unhappy at first.

I know they had a problem where the back of the plane would "wobble" at a certain frequency, making pax rather sick.



When you have to breaststroke to your connecting flight...it's a crash!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17399 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 21):
I know they had a problem where the back of the plane would "wobble" at a certain frequency, making pax rather sick.

Couldn't have been worse than sitting in the back of a 747SP...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1296 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17118 times:

Don't let Mark see this thread, he'll give you a whole rundown of A380 issues  Silly

And just to be clear... the Boeing 787 is the Dreamliner  Smile

-J.



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User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 16852 times:

I read Miranda's article this morning over breakfast. I normally don't read her as she is IMHO a poor sensationalist journalist for the SMH, but the topic naturally drew my attention.

I would recommend that you ignore this article as lots of us her in Sydney ignore her writings. I agree this is poorly written and shows her lack of knowledge on this (as with many other article).

It is unfortunate that ill informed journos write such topic in an area that can cause people concerns who are naturally nervous flyers.

I look forward to Qantas and Airbus response


25 Jbernie : We flew QF12 on May 13th (LAX-SYD) on an A380. Departure from gate was delayed 25 minutes due to "filing paperwork" & then needing to have other plane
26 Birdbrainz : That's funny. I spoke with an SAA A340 Captain about two years ago who told me that while SAA was happy with their A346's, they also have a "wobble"
27 Allrite : She is the SMH's token nutcase (I think there are two of them now) probably employed to satisfy the rival nutcases in the Daily Tele and on talkback
28 77West : Interesting thing happened to me the other day, my mum emailed me to tell me how nice it was to fly on the QF A380 and that it is so big and spacious
29 Mal787 : I have flown on both also, and I will in future book the 744 before the 380, I just prefer the 744 over the 380. and I find the upper deck on the 744
30 Eghansen : In all fairness, QF did not buy the A380 because they thought it would be more comfortable. They bought it because it uses less fuel. The same reason
31 Kent350787 : Miranda's usually Ann Coulter lite (in an Oz context), so it's nice to see a little change. As usual she undertook extensive research, quoted a range
32 Juliusg : I think Miranda is a very good journo. Read the article, all good.
33 Rushed : I flew in the last row in Y in the A380 from LAX-SYD last week and didnt notice any wobble during the cruise.. During take off yes a little but nothi
34 Ptharris : Oh good God!
35 Eghansen : Did this line come from her "research"? "Just this January, flight engineers were phased out of Qantas flight decks because their functions had been
36 Zkpilot : Are they really? Or are they just better at keeping things quiet? Considering SQ was cheerleading the A380 being the first to fly it etc etc it would
37 Ikramerica : Well yeah, some of the 744 cabin crew are 20 years older! Seriously, Airbus doesn't include crew with their aircraft. I found flying the 744 both way
38 Allrite : I had a QF A380 SYD-SIN and 744 SIN-LHR (TR's coming soon) and I have to say that both aircraft had their strengths and weaknesses. I thought the sea
39 Kent350787 : Yep, a typical example of her excellent research!
40 Burkhard : Using of different versions of the design software we know... That is the worst bashing I can imagine. I don't see so many similarities so, it remind
41 Scouseflyer : There was a story that, within BA, they were known as the "Cripple 7" for a while but now they're very happy with them so opinions can change.
42 Jetfuel : I am glad somebody else agrees me about QF's sybed being hard.
43 Zeke : That comment may well be factual, they have only recently retired their 747 classics, which did have professional flight engineers.
44 Kent350787 : True, it is factual in that there were flight engineers until the 6 743s were retired, the last two during 2008. But is an example of her extremely s
45 0NEWAIR0 : ...I thought they only had time to press Ctrl + Alt + Delete? Remember, they said they didn't have time to press the ditch button! lol
46 Rbgso : I think it is extremely early to claim the A380 has problems. There are not that many frames flying yet. Every new design has some minor issues that c
47 SQ321 : Its amazing how much better my LHR-HGK-LHR flights were on the NZ 747 compared with their current 777. The 747 feel more spacious, are less noisy and
48 Braybuddy : Given that 35 years ago airliners used to fly and be delivered more-or-less on schedule, it would seem Airbus and Boeing are actually retrogressing,
49 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : Wasn't quite that long ago. VH-EBS left the fleet in 2003: VH-EBQ was retired to Longreach in 2002 - I was there to see that one myself - Qantas 747-
50 Khobar : Yes they did - but it's not automated. You have to press a button. And you have to make sure you press the right button - you don't want to deploy th
51 Allegro : Good points ... after writing this I remembered the 40+ page powerpoint show that EK sent to Airbus regarding issues. Seems like Airbus handled it, s
52 Shankly : Not really; those drawing boards had a few glitches: Comet 1 - metal fatigue early 707 - flight control issues prototype 1-11 & Trident - deep stall
53 Zeke : FLEX increases fuel burn and environmental noise. It does not stress the engine with such high EGTs as a TOGA takeoff, and this should improve overal
54 Baroque : As Basil F would say, don't worry about her (Miranda) she is from Barcelona.
55 Jbernie : On my QF A380 flight, I felt the vertical space was quite good but that was voided by the horizontal space being cramped. That being because you look
56 Allegro : Thanks for the clarification! I suspected that this too was a non-story. Must have been a slow news day for Der Spiegel (the source IIRC).
57 Post contains links Khobar : Different issue entirely. "Flex Thrust%u201D normal operating procedure %u2013Reduces noise %u2013Reduces overall sector fuel consumption %u2013Reduc
58 Zeke : " target=_blank>http://www.icao.int/env/workshop/ott...b.pdf You should be able to find a copy of an Airbus document called "getting to grips with fu
59 Prebennorholm : Dear Zeke, what Khobar means, I think, is that when using TOGA every time, then you may not get cought even when you get the TOW 100 tonnes wrong, AN
60 Kent350787 : V/F - thanks for the correction. I stupidly (or sould that be Mirandaly?) used my memory on that one. But it's surely more than 10 years since there w
61 Jetfuel : When the Boeing 247 first flew on February 8, 1933 the head engineer said "We will never be able to build an airplane larger than this..........."
62 Astuteman : My take on this though is that you probably get 40+ page powerpoint presentations of issues being produced after the EIS of any aircraft type. It a m
63 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : Going through the 747 production list from Airlinerlist.com, at the turn of the century Qantas had 12 747-200s/-300s/SPs, the earlier 747s having bee
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