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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26028 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

SYD-SIN-LHR 3x to 5x weekly end of July

SYD-LAX from 3x to 4x end of July, Daily in November
MEL-LAX 2x to 3x weekly in November

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Qantas...ncrease-A380-bw-15550718.html?.v=1


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

I assume they are getting additional A380s delivered to handle this. One in July, one in November...  Smile


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User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

which begs a question. Where will the 747's go?

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5764 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8054 times:



Quoting Heathrow (Reply 2):
which begs a question. Where will the 747's go?

By my rough calculation (very rough) come November they will need, at least 23 B744ER/B744s to cover the schedule. lets be conservative and say 25. That leaves 5 B744 without work, presumably from the 1980s batch, as these are approaching 20 years of age and there are no obvious new routes at the moment, sale/scrap seems likely.

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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7936 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
SYD-SIN-LHR 3x to 5x weekly end of July

SYD-LAX from 3x to 4x end of July, Daily in November
MEL-LAX 2x to 3x weekly in November

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Qantas...?.v=1

What that article didn't say was that the SYD-SIN-LHR will also increase to daily in November.

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2009/jun09/3927

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
That leaves 5 B744 without work, presumably from the 1980s batch, as these are approaching 20 years of age and there are no obvious new routes at the moment, sale/scrap seems likely.

Yes but those aircraft are the "2 class" aircraft used on the "secondary" B744 routes. Presumably those routes will see an upgrade to the recently refurbished 4 class aircraft.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7921 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 4):
Yes but those aircraft are the "2 class" aircraft used on the "secondary" B744 routes. Presumably those routes will see an upgrade to the recently refurbished 4 class aircraft.

Or the newer aircraft will be outfitted 2.5 class.

Ultimately, the A380 will replace all 3-class 744s (except for possibly the 744ERs), and whatever 744s remain will be used as the 743s were in the past.



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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7847 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Or the newer aircraft will be outfitted 2.5 class

Their problem is that they have already converted almost all the 3 class 744's to 4 class (only 2 remain unconverted). So take out the 5 B744's that Gemuser suggested would be sold and you are left with almost all aircraft being 4 class. Do you rip out the First class section after only 6 to 12 months of use?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7823 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 6):
Do you rip out the First class section after only 6 to 12 months of use?

Yes. Yes you do. If your market can't support the premium traffic (and in this time period, it probably can't) you certainly rip out the F when you get replacement aircraft.

Alternately, if your plan is retire even more aircraft in the next 1-2 years as more A380s arrive, you can retire the slightly newer 744s with 4 class and keep the 3 classers on for a couple more years, and then cross that bridge in a couple years.

Either way, you are ripping out and storing F pods for later replacement use.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3138 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7791 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
I assume they are getting additional A380s delivered to handle this. One in July, one in November...

3 more A380's are joining the fleet this year. Number 4 in July and then 2 more by November. That's why LAX & LHR from SYD are going daily from the end of November.  Smile

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
That leaves 5 B744 without work, presumably from the 1980s batch, as these are approaching 20 years of age and there are no obvious new routes at the moment, sale/scrap seems likely.

I don't think they'll be scrapping them although it has been reported that at least 1 QF 744 is for sale. It's funny though because the VH-OJA to OJE which were all delivered in 1989-1990 are still in 2 class config and are probably the ideal one's to keep on using in the current climate given their 56J/356Y configuration. (and thier planned conversion to 3 class with the addition of W seats) Conversely it's the 744ER's and the 747-4H6's from MAS that are congifured 14F/66J/40W/187Y which are the worst one's to keep flying considering their heavier balance of premium seats. An interesting dilemna for QF certainly!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Ultimately, the A380 will replace all 3-class 744s (except for possibly the 744ERs), and whatever 744s remain will be used as the 743s were in the past.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. QF have 21 744's which were built between 1989 and 1993. Of those 7 are 2 class config, 1 is 3 class config and the rest are 4 class. As I said above, it's an interesting dilemna for QF as to what to do with their 744 fleet in the current environment.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7736 times:

Could we maybe see QF deploy any 744's on the intercontinental runs between SYD/MEL-PER? The 743's were very successful [almost every flight I went on between SYD-PER on a jumbo was full] so I can't see why this wouldn't work.

User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7722 times:

You don't rip out the first class seats- you sell them as business class or block off the cabin.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5304 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7702 times:



Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 10):
You don't rip out the first class seats- you sell them as business class or block off the cabin

But if the long term plan is to only have F on the A380, surely it makes more sense to have your 747's flying in a J/W/Y config to places like JNB/EZE/FRA that likely can't support F


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7547 times:



Quoting Ben175 (Reply 9):
Could we maybe see QF deploy any 744's on the intercontinental runs between SYD/MEL-PER? The 743's were very successful [almost every flight I went on between SYD-PER on a jumbo was full] so I can't see why this wouldn't work.

I would have thought it makes sense, but their announced plans are not to do so, but to service the route with A330/B767 aircraft. The only other suggestions I can make is that a 744 could take over the second daily SYD-HKG flight, PER-SIN, and SYD-AKL as an outside chance. Otherwise I'm not really sure where the extra 744s could possibly be used, unless they're going to open up new routes. Perhaps they'll scrap all 21.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6452 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7421 times:



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 12):
SYD-AKL as an outside chance

I wish.. But I think someone said QF's next move was to get rid of the 763s on this route and use something like 4x738s daily.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7159 times:



Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 6):
Do you rip out the First class section after only 6 to 12 months of use?

They haven't been newly installed. The First Class seats have been in these aircraft for many years and are in need of replacement very soon.
On the Pacific configured 4-class aircraft it would be easy enough to remove the C-zone J class skybeds and move them to A-zone, replacing them by moving Y+ forward and chucking more Y seats in. Not hard or expensive.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 9):
Could we maybe see QF deploy any 744's on the intercontinental runs between SYD/MEL-PER? The 743's were very successful [almost every flight I went on between SYD-PER on a jumbo was full] so I can't see why this wouldn't work.

This was an ok use of the 743 as QF didn't have the spare aircraft at the time. The A330 that they now use is much better suited than a 743/744 to operate the service. From a passenger point of view they are quite comfortable, new and are a widebody.

QF will likely dispose of the older aircraft (2-class) but reconfigure some of the 4-class aircraft back to 3 class (J,W,Y no F). Eventually only the 6x744ER aircraft will remain probably within 5 years unless QF doesn't take all its 20x A388.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3138 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6719 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
But if the long term plan is to only have F on the A380, surely it makes more sense to have your 747's flying in a J/W/Y config to places like JNB/EZE/FRA that likely can't support F

Actually I'd have thought both JNB and FRA could support a first class cabin? If anything the routes that could do without first would be;

- SYD-SFO;
- AKL-LAX;
- BNE-LAX;
- MEL-HKG-LHR;
- SYD-EZE
- SYD-HKG

SYD-LAX, MEL-LAX, SYD-JNB, SIN-LHR, SIN-FRA and BKK-LHR should all be able to hold their own with a first class cabin.

I think it's inevitable that the A380 fleet will end up with at least two different configurations to cater for different long haul market requirements.

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 12):
The only other suggestions I can make is that a 744 could take over the second daily SYD-HKG flight, PER-SIN, and SYD-AKL as an outside chance.

The 2nd SYD-HKG flight doesn't operate daily and on many occassions has been an A332. So I think a 2nd 744 would be overkill in the market. PER-SIN is served by both JQ and QF so I doubt you'll see more mainline service and SYD-AKL I'm sure will be handed over to Jetconnect as soon as their are sufficient 738's configured with the new IFE supplemented by QF 763's. There really isn't anywhere for the 744's to go other than to be parked for the duration of the recession.

Now if we had Open Skies with Europe come forward I could definitely see QF deploy 744's on SIN-CDG. That would be about the extent of it though.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
But I think someone said QF's next move was to get rid of the 763s on this route and use something like 4x738s daily.

Eventually it'll be a Jetconnect route but it'll have to operate more than 4 times a day to make up the capacity lost on the 763's. In Melbourne QF are using Jetconnect to increase capacity on MEL-AKL so I would imagine that if the were to use 738's only on SYD-AKL it would have to run at least 5 to 6 dailies to keep capacity constant.


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6715 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 6):
Do you rip out the First class section after only 6 to 12 months of use?

They haven't been newly installed. The First Class seats have been in these aircraft for many years and are in need of replacement very soon.

I probably miswrote that. I was trying to say do you rip out the First class seats, 6 to 12 months after the aircraft had been off line for a month or two to allow a freshen up and the installation of the Economy plus cabin.
At the time, this caused a shortage of aircraft and a lot of problems, but now I suppose it wouldn’t matter if the aircraft were taken out of service. How times have changed in such a short period.


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6591 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
This was an ok use of the 743 as QF didn't have the spare aircraft at the time. The A330 that they now use is much better suited than a 743/744 to operate the service. From a passenger point of view they are quite comfortable, new and are a widebody.

The 743 was well deployed on that route, not least because the red eye flights demanded that kind of capacity. Last I heard, you had a JQ A320 and a QF A330/B767 leaving PER for MEL at almost the same time for roughly the same capacity as the 747. I'm not completely sure what is happening with PER-SYD, maybe they're just getting high loads.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
QF will likely dispose of the older aircraft (2-class) but reconfigure some of the 4-class aircraft back to 3 class (J,W,Y no F). Eventually only the 6x744ER aircraft will remain probably within 5 years unless QF doesn't take all its 20x A388.

What about the 3 744 non-ER that were built 1998-2000? There's still use for them, in fact, QF would struggle to maintain it's current route network without them until the 787 arrives in numbers.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 15):
The 2nd SYD-HKG flight doesn't operate daily

Thought it used to. I guess you'd then have to reduce the frequency.


Didn't mean to suggest that any of the scenarios in my previous post were likely except for the removal from service of the older birds.


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5783 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Either way, you are ripping out and storing F pods for later replacement use.

Having spent some time in them, I think you are being generous calling them pods.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5732 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
it makes more sense to have your 747's flying in a J/W/Y config to places like JNB

SYD-JNB-SYD has been 4-class for quite a while now. F-class is sold on both QF and SA stock.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4889 times:



Quoting Heathrow (Reply 2):
Where will the 747's go?

4 SALE...

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 3):
5 B744 without work, presumably from the 1980s batch, as these are approaching 20 years of age and there are no obvious new routes at the moment, sale/scrap seems likely.

The board have clearly stated they have plans on selling approximately 5 B744 aircraft...

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 4):
"2 class" aircraft used on the "secondary" B744 routes.

Lately QF have been operating 4 Class aircraft cosmetic configure on the SYD-SIN routes... Probably the 2 Class will be phased out?

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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4242 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):
cosmetic configure on the SYD-SIN routes

Cosmetic configuration? Good one EK413!  Wink



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26028 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

I dont think there is any question that the 744 fleet will start to be reduced.

At the LAX QF A380 inaugural it was mentioned that eventually QF would offer all newest technology generation planes at LAX (hinting at 787). So I could see in a few years SYD/MEL-LAX being all A380s while BNE/AKL get 787s. The importance and need of the 744 fleet will decline as Qantas takes delivery of these newer planes in ever larger numbers.



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User currently offlineAirNewZealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3397 times:

Its been reported 2 744 have been sold (they are 4-class OJN i think was one) to Garuda Indonesia. This was from check captains at Qantas.

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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3370 times:

I just read that VH-OJF, OJK, OEC and OED are for sale coming avaliable by March 2010. OEC and OED are ex MH and were aquired in 1998 by QF.

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 17):
What about the 3 744 non-ER that were built 1998-2000?

OJS, OJT and OJU yes I'd imagine they will hang onto these 3 for a while with the ERs.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 15):
Actually I'd have thought both JNB and FRA could support a first class cabin? If anything the routes that could do without first would be;

- SYD-SFO;
- AKL-LAX;
- BNE-LAX;
- MEL-HKG-LHR;
- SYD-EZE
- SYD-HKG

FRA hasn't had F since 2003 when they first converted some 744s to 2 class, AKL and BNE-LAX are the same and SFO, EZE and HKG-LHR will lose F atleast from July till October 2009, weather its reinstated come late October is another thing, if its not then I think QF will likely remove F from some more 744s. Though EZE will likely continue to get the ERs due to range but say another 5 aircraft without F to cover MEL-HKG-LHR and SYD-SFO. I'd even have my doubt on QF1/2 SYD-BKK-LHR keeping F myself.


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