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The Delta DC-9 Rear Galleys  
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11287 times:

Hello Everyone,

I was just looking at some old Delta seat maps from 1985 and was amazed to see that Delta had rear galley's on their DC-9-32's.

To see the seat map click here... http://www.pbase.com/jseiple2/image/23461398.

This brought several questions to mind.

1. Did Delta get these aircraft delivered with galley's or were they installed later?

2. Did any other airline have galley's in their DC-9's?

3. Why did Delta choose to install galley's in the DC-9 when, from what I know, most airlines did not?

4. Were the rear galley's "full service" galley's with ovens?

5. Did the airlines that used these aircraft after Delta keep the galley's or ditch them?

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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11181 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
2. Did any other airline have galley's in their DC-9's?

Many airlines around the world chose to install galley's in their DC-9's, however most were installed in the forward cabin, hence the galley service door on the starboard side of the DC-9. NWA's DC-9's still have the forward galley, although without ovens.


User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

some of the NW DC9s had "galleys" in the aft of the aircraft prior to getting a complete refurb on the inside in the late 90s 2000s. If I remember right, there was just an area for a few carts to be parked back there forward of the lavs.

The 9s still have ovens, for first class, and there are one or two -30s flying round with coach ovens still.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11047 times:



Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 1):
Many airlines around the world chose to install galley's in their DC-9's, however most were installed in the forward cabin, hence the galley service door on the starboard side of the DC-9. NWA's DC-9's still have the forward galley, although without ovens.

OOPS.... I meant to mention the word "rear" galley here. I know that all the airlines had forward galley's on the DC-9  Smile


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11036 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
4. Were the rear galley's "full service" galley's with ovens?


The galley took the place of the aft left lavatory and had ovens (three total). It was an odd setup, with one oven mounted next to the floor.

Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
5. Did the airlines that used these aircraft after Delta keep the galley's or ditch them?


I flew on Valujet one time, and the galley was still in place. Only the Delta widget (which was printed on the faceplate of the oven) was removed.

Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
2. Did any other airline have galley's in their DC-9's?

TWA installed forward galleys (with ovens) in the ex-Ozark DC-9's (next to 1L door).

[Edited 2009-06-18 18:58:20]


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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5274 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11015 times:

Keep in mind the fact that when DL ordered the DC9's, US domestic meal service was commonplace and was offered on many routes that now only receive an abbreviated beverage service.


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User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10915 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
2. Did any other airline have galley's in their DC-9's?

Ansett and TAA in Australia both had aft galleys (including bev makers and ovens) in their DC-9s in a similar layout to DL.

QantasLink has cart and Atlas unit stowages behind the last row of seats (and in front of the lavs) on their 717s. This obviously is not a 'galley' by definition, but worthy of a mention.

HA has a cold galley in place of the aft left lav on their 717s.


User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

The caterers serviced the aft galley on the DC-9 through the ventral stairway.

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

I know that NW took delivery of some ex-DL aircraft. Did NW decide to remove the rear galley's or were these particular aircraft not equipped with them?

Thanks


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10424 times:
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That pbase.com site is cool. Cabin configs in the 1980s were quite eclectic at times and they had galleys everywhere - and lots of galleys too. Love seeing the DC-8-63 configs.

Are there any websites devoted to aircraft galley equipment and logistics with pics and such? I was always amazed by how much can be crammed into aircraft galleys, and how different they look on US carriers compared to elsewhere.



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User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10292 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
That pbase.com site is cool. Cabin configs in the 1980s were quite eclectic at times and they had galleys everywhere - and lots of galleys too. Love seeing the DC-8-63 configs.

Yes ... that pbase site is fascinating ... seat charts for 747SP, DC-8, DC9-10, BAC111, etc

Note the Pan Am L-1011 with the 3x4x3 seating in coach.

These L10's eventually made their way to Delta.
Delta identified these as L16's
Delta kept the 3x4x3 and flew them PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK and LAX-ANC-HKG ...
Imagine being in a middle seat on either of those routes!!


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10180 times:



Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 4):
I flew on Valujet one time, and the galley was still in place. Only the Delta widget (which was printed on the faceplate of the oven) was removed.

I worked for FL about 10 years back, and many of the trash cans in the rear galleys still had the Delta widget on them (Not much you could do about it since widget was physically part of the can, as the design was stamped onto it when the can was produced.). There were a few that had a generic trash can with a Valujet sticker on the can.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9989 times:



Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 1):
NWA's DC-9's still have the forward galley, although without ovens.

Are you sure they're without ovens? As of March 2008, I had a hot meal in first class.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9609 times:



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 12):
Are you sure they're without ovens? As of March 2008, I had a hot meal in first class.



Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 2):
The 9s still have ovens, for first class, and there are one or two -30s flying round with coach ovens still.

They still have ovens. There's not much of a need for them since the merger, as the DC-9 isn't going to be flying any flights that meet DL's length requirements for hot meals in F.



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User currently offlineXdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9113 times:

Just think about it for a moment..... Delta use to serve a full hot breakfast on the L1011 MCO-ATL
.53min flt. Many Many MANY times you had to go aaround on final because the cabin was not yet secured...... Scrambled eggs and sausage or pankakes coach choice...??? WTF


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Or Northwest Orient serving a full hot breakfast on the 747 MSP-ORD, a 50 minute flight.

User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

TW had some ex-DL DC-9-30's, but those all had the dual rear lav setup (instead of one forward,one rear).

[Edited 2009-06-20 15:19:49]


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User currently offlineRenfnl From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8189 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
I worked for FL about 10 years back, and many of the trash cans in the rear galleys still had the Delta widget on them (Not much you could do about it since widget was physically part of the can, as the design was stamped onto it when the can was produced.). There were a few that had a generic trash can with a Valujet sticker on the can.

Very off topic, but how was Valujet to work for? As far as wages and benefits etc, or just the same as FL these days?


User currently offlinePRINAIR From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

Does anyone have a picture of the DL DC9 galley?


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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

I just came across this photo of an Allegient Air DC-9-51 with a rear galley area. Is this similar to the Delta DC-9 rear galley?

Also, was this an ex-Eastern aircraft? I know EA had rear galley's in their DC-9-51's.


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User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1061 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 7824 times:

I talked to a retired DL employee who had worked on the East coast back in the 1970s. Yes, they did serve full hot meals from those ovens, and on competetive routes like DCA-ATL, this could be filet mignon (in coach).

Also, they got a bunch of DC-9-30s from NE in the 1972 merger, and they did not have the rear galleys, which made compatibility an issue.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Just curious... When did DL retire there DC-9's?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 7708 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 19):
Also, was this an ex-Eastern aircraft? I know EA had rear galley's in their DC-9-51's.


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Went to Allegiant:


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Last known operator is Hewa Bora:


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User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 7634 times:



Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 21):
Just curious... When did DL retire there DC-9's?

January 1993


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 7578 times:



Quoting SWABrian (Reply 7):
The caterers serviced the aft galley on the DC-9 through the ventral stairway.

Usually while 10-12 of the ground folks from Delta Cabin Service were simultaneously trying to do their own thing during the aircraft's turnaround time while we (Dobbs House) were, I might add.. Between the two groups, the ventral stairs looked like a freeway during rush hour...  Wink


25 Type-Rated : I was on a DL flight STL-ORD and the F/A handed out special beverage cards. They offered frozen drinks on that flight. Frozen Dacuri's and Margaritas
26 Post contains images DL_Mech : No. The DL galley was located in the space occupied by the left aft lavatory and the space where the galley is located in your picture. There was als
27 TWA1985 : Thanks for the photos "DL_Mech!" When were they taken?
28 JFKPurser : AA DC10-10 ORD-YYZ full dinner in the 1980s. The lower lobe galley was a very busy place to be.
29 DL_Mech : IIRC, Jan.1993 or so, just after this planes' retirement.
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