DCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22448 times:
Hawaii is one of the few markets that has seen year-over-year fare increases largely due to decreased capacity from the west coast, but a 762 may not be the right equipment especially with the steadily increasing fuel costs.
A cheaper one for sure. Really, a 762 is not a great plane to be flying to Hawaii, especially a flight as long as this one. An A330 might have a shot, but those are too scare to use on a low yield, long haul route like CLT-HNL.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Thestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22319 times:
At first look, this seemed like a really odd flight, but then I realised that of course DL already has a 744 to HNL and CLT is actually, geographically wise, a pretty good connecting point for travel to Hawaii from the Eastearn seabord. This will be only the third non-stop flight from the eastern US to Hawaii, with the above mentioned DL service as well as CO from EWR on a 767-400.
The fact that DL recently upgraded to a 747-400 must mean there's a lot of demand for this kind of a route, but that also may mean that this market is already over-saturated. Likewise, the fact that only CO and DL currently operate flights to HNL from the east coast might mean that there just isn't that much demand to Hawaii, or it might mean that the market is very much underserved . . .
Like their upcoming 762 flight to GIG, this flight will have to be rely entirely on connections, but they will of course be able to pull passengers from every city on the East Coast that they serve. CLT is becoming more and more like a mini-ATL, so if DL can fill a 744 on the route, then technically US should be able to fill a 762 . . . but whether they'll be able to do it as profitably (or make any profit at all) is another question . . .
TheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 22320 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
A cheaper one for sure. Really, a 762 is not a great plane to be flying to Hawaii, especially a flight as long as this one. An A330 might have a shot, but those are too scare to use on a low yield, long haul route like CLT-HNL
TheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22250 times:
Quoting Thestooges (Reply 17):
Like their upcoming 762 flight to GIG, this flight will have to be relying almost entirely on connections, but then again they will be able to pull passengers from every city on the East Coast the US serves. CLT is becoming more and more like a mini-ATL, so if DL can fill a 744 on the route, then technically US should be able to fill a 762 . . . but whether they'll be able to do it as profitably is another question . . .
Not sure how many double connections US does, but CLT-PHX flights both ways are constantly full, 100%. I am sure some of these pax are going to Hawaii.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6297 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22197 times:
To the above question, water and soft drinks are free on domestic flights now.
And there will be IFE on the flight, the PHX - Hawaii flights on the 757 currently have IFE.
I wonder if this will be a BOB flight?
Good luck to US on this one.
VikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22202 times:
Wow, Doug has really solidified himself as the worst CEO ever to run an "airline". US Airways is an absolute joke and continues to make bonehead moves. I don't see how they continue to run an operation.
...you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you shall return
Quoting MIASkies (Reply 10): I wouldn't take it that far! I think US should concentrate on other routes out of CLT... Honolulu sounds like a stretch...
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11): If CLT can get one, maybe therer's hope-someday, that we'll see one in CLE from CO.
I wouldn't exactly say CLT and CLE are equals. CLT is the fourth largest single-airline hub in the USA, in terms of flights and passengers carried through. That puts it ahead of NW at DTW/MSP and UA at ORD, and behind only ATL, DFW, and IAH.
Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 5): Why? Leisure travel is way off due to the horrible economic conditions? Hello, Dougie - are you there????
While leisure travel is certainly down, it's not doing nearly as poorly as the business sector because it can be stimulated with low fares. In fact, Dougie and Co. just said this past week that they've seen a nice "uptick in leisure bookings." US should have no problem filling 200 seats to HNL in the winter, I guess the question will be can they do so at a reasonable price
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11869 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 22117 times:
Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 22): Wow, Doug has really solidified himself as the worst CEO ever to run an "airline". US Airways is an absolute joke and continues to make bonehead moves. I don't see how they continue to run an operation.
how does this step make him a "joke?"
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: I'm sure that there would be at least a few double connecting passengers going to Hawaii from the East coast that originate in cities that only have
: How so? I can think of several CEO's who would qualify for that title before Mr. Parker. I don't this is a bonehead move. mariner
: It's a tough call: Hawai'i yields are up, because capacity is way down, but things are only getting worse for the domestic travel market, especially f
: It is a strange move. As mentioned, Hawaii yields are way down the not many people are willing to fly form the U.S. East Coast to Hawaii for vacation
: I was wondering the same thing..probably..It is from ORD
: Actually, Hawai'i yields, YOY, are up a fair amount. However, Hawai'i travel from the eastern U.S. is going nowhere but down, down and down.
: Well, I'm sure if it performs amazingly for them, they'll definitely make sure another plane is available for this route next winter and who knows it
: And yet we have at least two posters saying that Hawaii yields are up. Are you saying those posters are wrong? That's a sweeping statement. I can thi
: With the connecting options out west, you would think Doug would have used the 767 to open up maybe a 2nd Latin America destination from CLT. If GIG i
: Whats next, CLT-ANC? (Hey ya never know!!) Wish them success and when will this be online?
35 DL Widget Head
: I think this is an excellent decision by US and I believe the route will be successful. The 762 is perfect for this route for US; not too big not too
: GRU is slot controlled and I don't know about EZE. It's a really hard route. Please have complementary meal service and maybe FREE MAI-TAI's?!!
: There a lot of people on A.net that think the new CLT-GIG route is destined to fail, others think it has a pretty good chance, and I would have to sp
: No, actually it is the complete opposite of perfect. It is high-CASM and too small. This route need a high-density widebody with lower CASM, like a 7
: I think CO does profit/lose analysis before adding routes and a 762 won't do it CLE-HNL with low yields. CLE-HNL's best shot is a one-stop via LAX, S
: I wonder what it was for ALB-CLE mainline
: With no plans announced to retire the 762s, US should have YoY widebody capacity increases for the next couple of years. There are only so many place
42 DL Widget Head
: Since US does not own any 764's it's not relevant to US starting service from CLT to HNL. Apparently, US can not spare any A333's from their European
: CLT based crew (for those in the know) or a PHL crew after a deadhead?
: CLE will need to grow quite a bit before it gets close to CLT in size. Last I heard, CLT is the biggest hub for US in number of departures. CLE isn't
: Hi Everyone. Interesting! This is indeed a thought-provoking development. And, from the standpoint of the carrier's relationship with UA, this is all-
: I think this is a good move for US. It adds an east coast option, It gives more lift to HNL for it's Frequent Flyer base. FF like to be able to dream
47 USFlyer MSP
: I would venture to say that US's 767's are pretty high density for a 762. They have 25 more seats than CO's 762's and only 20 less than AA's 763's wh
: AC has inaugurated at least 5 new routes in the past month: YYZ-YUL-GVA YYC-PDX YYC-SAN YYC-YXU (London, Ontario) YYC-YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon)
: As are some US airlines. Southwest is adding routes faster than a French sailor on shore leave downing drinks in a Marseilles waterfront bar. Airtran
: This is about what I think. They are a bit behind the 8 ball because they are flying a more expensive plane than DL and most others. This doesn't by
: It continued on to NGO, which was the only authority that HP could secure.
: That doesn't change the fact that they are still low-density. If AA had a choice, they would not be flying the low-density 763s to Hawai'i. But they
: Yeah, that's right. It was Aloha Pacific that went to TPE. That was an epic failure too.
: I don't see this lasting long. IMO, they should add a stop in SFO or somewhere on the east coast and then continue to HNL.
: Cool! I don't care if it's a good move or a poor move. Just that it is a move it a plus to me. IMO, the eastern US is underserved to Hawaii. But when
: I recall seeing an article in one the Honolulu newspapers in the late 1980s that US Air was considering flying the 767-200s from PHL/PIT/CLT to Honolu
: I think so too. I bet that will change when HA gets their A330s.
58 USFlyer MSP
: I will concede this point to you. I would also like to add that US's 762's are not ER versions so a 762 with more seats would not have enough range t
: Got the feeling that if it performs well a 332 will be on the route?
: Yet, they also continue to fly PHL-ATH (albeit summer only) which is more than 350 miles longer than CLT-HNL will be. Flying a 762 from PHX-HNL reall
: Doesn't PHL have a larger O&D market over CLT? If so wouldn't that make PHL a better choice? Or am I "smoking something"?
62 USFlyer MSP
: PHL has more O&D, but CLT is better in terms of geography, # of flights, and overall system connectivity. The same reason why GIG was started out of
63 USFlyer MSP
: ATH-PHL is usually severely weight restricted westbound. Interestingly, US originally planned to put an 333 on PHL-ATH an that was going to be have t
: Just like with CLT-GRU, CLT-HNL will affect Delta the most since they are going for the same connecting feed. As to flight length, CLT-HNL is only abo
: Nope that honer still goes to Glenn. From an outsider looking in at US, I think CLT has more of a chance then PHL would since you got "nicer" CO serv
: You forgot one more route, AC started YUL-FCO with the 763
: I think you are right...the first one will be christened "The City of Newark"...you watch