Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
US Airways To Start Charlotte-Honolulu  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21823 times:

Just loaded in OAG. Seasonal, thanks to a free 762 from reduced Europe flying starting in November.

US 807 CLT 0945-1459 HNL 762
US 808 HNL 1745-0742+1 CLT 762


a.
160 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21806 times:

Is US still charging for water? I'd hate to be on such a long flight w.out free water lol

Also do the US 762's have IFE? this would be one of those flights that IFE would be a must IMO; I recently flew US SJU-PHL on their A333 and no IFE.

MAH...how do you think this route will do? sounds a bit risky to me...seems to me like DL has this market covered from the southeast from ATL and much nicer product.



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21798 times:

Very interesting move. Don't think many people saw this one coming.


My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1435 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21764 times:

How long of a flight is this? I'm too lazy to do the time-zone calculations.


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21778 times:

Let me get this straight:

$70+ fuel
180 passengers
Historically poor yields into Hawaii
11 hours of flying time

Yeah...this would certainly work better than using this a/c for Latin America.


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21781 times:

Why? Leisure travel is way off due to the horrible economic conditions? Hello, Dougie - are you there????

Big version: Width: 449 Height: 328 File size: 14kb



"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21765 times:

Wow! This certainly came out of left field. Charlotte is really becoming quite a major hub.


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21738 times:

Well ATL is just under 10 hrs westbound so CLT prob just over 10 hrs on.....US!


Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8396 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21735 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 1):
seems to me like DL has this market covered from the southeast from ATL and much nicer product.

A NW 744 is a nicer product?  scratchchin 


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21743 times:

Wow, thats kind of out of no where.

Nonetheless this flight will probably lose less money than a flight from CLT to Europe in low season.



Stewed...Lewd...Crude...Irreverent...Belligerent
User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21702 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Charlotte is really becoming quite a major hub.

I wouldn't take it that far! I think US should concentrate on other routes out of CLT... Honolulu sounds like a stretch...



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21668 times:

If CLT can get one, maybe therer's hope-someday, that we'll see one in CLE from CO.  Smile

User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21671 times:

Hawaii is one of the few markets that has seen year-over-year fare increases largely due to decreased capacity from the west coast, but a 762 may not be the right equipment especially with the steadily increasing fuel costs.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21672 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
A NW 744 is a nicer product?

Last time I flew it in January it was a DL 764....nice product IMO....nice inflight service. Never flown NW so can't comment on them or their 744's.



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15713 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21674 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
A NW 744 is a nicer product?

A cheaper one for sure. Really, a 762 is not a great plane to be flying to Hawaii, especially a flight as long as this one. An A330 might have a shot, but those are too scare to use on a low yield, long haul route like CLT-HNL.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3121 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21578 times:

Perfect, came across this thread just as the Hawaii 5-0 theme was next up in my Media Player....

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Wow! This certainly came out of left field. Charlotte is really becoming quite a major hub.

Its been one for 2 1/2 decades; However I'm surprised this isn't being done from PHL.



FLYi
User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21541 times:

Wow! That was a shock! Great job keeping us on our toes lol.


Roar, lion, roar
User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21542 times:

At first look, this seemed like a really odd flight, but then I realised that of course DL already has a 744 to HNL and CLT is actually, geographically wise, a pretty good connecting point for travel to Hawaii from the Eastearn seabord. This will be only the third non-stop flight from the eastern US to Hawaii, with the above mentioned DL service as well as CO from EWR on a 767-400.

The fact that DL recently upgraded to a 747-400 must mean there's a lot of demand for this kind of a route, but that also may mean that this market is already over-saturated. Likewise, the fact that only CO and DL currently operate flights to HNL from the east coast might mean that there just isn't that much demand to Hawaii, or it might mean that the market is very much underserved . . .

Like their upcoming 762 flight to GIG, this flight will have to be rely entirely on connections, but they will of course be able to pull passengers from every city on the East Coast that they serve. CLT is becoming more and more like a mini-ATL, so if DL can fill a 744 on the route, then technically US should be able to fill a 762 . . . but whether they'll be able to do it as profitably (or make any profit at all) is another question . . .

[Edited 2009-06-18 18:04:31]

User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21543 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):

A cheaper one for sure. Really, a 762 is not a great plane to be flying to Hawaii, especially a flight as long as this one. An A330 might have a shot, but those are too scare to use on a low yield, long haul route like CLT-HNL

US has 10 762 and 9 333.

5 332s will be delivered this year.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21473 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 17):

Like their upcoming 762 flight to GIG, this flight will have to be relying almost entirely on connections, but then again they will be able to pull passengers from every city on the East Coast the US serves. CLT is becoming more and more like a mini-ATL, so if DL can fill a 744 on the route, then technically US should be able to fill a 762 . . . but whether they'll be able to do it as profitably is another question . . .

Not sure how many double connections US does, but CLT-PHX flights both ways are constantly full, 100%. I am sure some of these pax are going to Hawaii.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6202 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21420 times:

To the above question, water and soft drinks are free on domestic flights now.
And there will be IFE on the flight, the PHX - Hawaii flights on the 757 currently have IFE.
I wonder if this will be a BOB flight?
Good luck to US on this one.

Reagrds,

Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21420 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR



Quoting LambertMan (Reply 4):
$70+ fuel
180 passengers
Historically poor yields into Hawaii
11 hours of flying time

Yeah...this would certainly work better than using this a/c for Latin America.

So you think that Latin America just provide the worst yields ?



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21425 times:

Wow, Doug has really solidified himself as the worst CEO ever to run an "airline". US Airways is an absolute joke and continues to make bonehead moves. I don't see how they continue to run an operation.


...you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you shall return
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21368 times:



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 1):
Is US still charging for water? I'd hate to be on such a long flight w.out free water lol

Also do the US 762's have IFE? this would be one of those flights that IFE would be a must IMO; I recently flew US SJU-PHL on their A333 and no IFE.

The 762s don't have PTVs like the A332/333; it's just the standard center-wall mount. Your A333 flight from SJU-PHL should have had IFE - perhaps it just wasn't turned on.

And no, US stopped charging for water thank goodness. I do wonder if they will try to go cheap and make it BOB service in Y, I sure hope not.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 6):
Charlotte is really becoming quite a major hub.



Quoting MIASkies (Reply 10):
I wouldn't take it that far! I think US should concentrate on other routes out of CLT... Honolulu sounds like a stretch...



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
If CLT can get one, maybe therer's hope-someday, that we'll see one in CLE from CO.

I wouldn't exactly say CLT and CLE are equals. CLT is the fourth largest single-airline hub in the USA, in terms of flights and passengers carried through. That puts it ahead of NW at DTW/MSP and UA at ORD, and behind only ATL, DFW, and IAH.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 5):
Why? Leisure travel is way off due to the horrible economic conditions? Hello, Dougie - are you there????

While leisure travel is certainly down, it's not doing nearly as poorly as the business sector because it can be stimulated with low fares. In fact, Dougie and Co. just said this past week that they've seen a nice "uptick in leisure bookings." US should have no problem filling 200 seats to HNL in the winter, I guess the question will be can they do so at a reasonable price


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11183 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21340 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 22):
Wow, Doug has really solidified himself as the worst CEO ever to run an "airline". US Airways is an absolute joke and continues to make bonehead moves. I don't see how they continue to run an operation.

how does this step make him a "joke?"



Send me a PM at http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/sendmessage.main?from_username=NULL
25 Thestooges : I'm sure that there would be at least a few double connecting passengers going to Hawaii from the East coast that originate in cities that only have
26 Mariner : How so? I can think of several CEO's who would qualify for that title before Mr. Parker. I don't this is a bonehead move. mariner
27 MAH4546 : It's a tough call: Hawai'i yields are up, because capacity is way down, but things are only getting worse for the domestic travel market, especially f
28 VikingA346 : It is a strange move. As mentioned, Hawaii yields are way down the not many people are willing to fly form the U.S. East Coast to Hawaii for vacation
29 USAirALB : I was wondering the same thing..probably..It is from ORD
30 MAH4546 : Actually, Hawai'i yields, YOY, are up a fair amount. However, Hawai'i travel from the eastern U.S. is going nowhere but down, down and down.
31 Thestooges : Well, I'm sure if it performs amazingly for them, they'll definitely make sure another plane is available for this route next winter and who knows it
32 Mariner : And yet we have at least two posters saying that Hawaii yields are up. Are you saying those posters are wrong? That's a sweeping statement. I can thi
33 L1011buff : With the connecting options out west, you would think Doug would have used the 767 to open up maybe a 2nd Latin America destination from CLT. If GIG i
34 USAirALB : Whats next, CLT-ANC? (Hey ya never know!!) Wish them success and when will this be online?
35 DL Widget Head : I think this is an excellent decision by US and I believe the route will be successful. The 762 is perfect for this route for US; not too big not too
36 USAirALB : GRU is slot controlled and I don't know about EZE. It's a really hard route. Please have complementary meal service and maybe FREE MAI-TAI's?!!
37 Thestooges : There a lot of people on A.net that think the new CLT-GIG route is destined to fail, others think it has a pretty good chance, and I would have to sp
38 MAH4546 : No, actually it is the complete opposite of perfect. It is high-CASM and too small. This route need a high-density widebody with lower CASM, like a 7
39 CALPSAFltSkeds : I think CO does profit/lose analysis before adding routes and a 762 won't do it CLE-HNL with low yields. CLE-HNL's best shot is a one-stop via LAX, S
40 USAirALB : I wonder what it was for ALB-CLE mainline
41 Cubsrule : With no plans announced to retire the 762s, US should have YoY widebody capacity increases for the next couple of years. There are only so many place
42 DL Widget Head : Since US does not own any 764's it's not relevant to US starting service from CLT to HNL. Apparently, US can not spare any A333's from their European
43 Whappeh : CLT based crew (for those in the know) or a PHL crew after a deadhead?
44 Toltommy : CLE will need to grow quite a bit before it gets close to CLT in size. Last I heard, CLT is the biggest hub for US in number of departures. CLE isn't
45 N31029 : Hi Everyone. Interesting! This is indeed a thought-provoking development. And, from the standpoint of the carrier's relationship with UA, this is all-
46 ADXMatt : I think this is a good move for US. It adds an east coast option, It gives more lift to HNL for it's Frequent Flyer base. FF like to be able to dream
47 USFlyer MSP : I would venture to say that US's 767's are pretty high density for a 762. They have 25 more seats than CO's 762's and only 20 less than AA's 763's wh
48 Viscount724 : AC has inaugurated at least 5 new routes in the past month: YYZ-YUL-GVA YYC-PDX YYC-SAN YYC-YXU (London, Ontario) YYC-YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon)
49 Mariner : As are some US airlines. Southwest is adding routes faster than a French sailor on shore leave downing drinks in a Marseilles waterfront bar. Airtran
50 BMI727 : This is about what I think. They are a bit behind the 8 ball because they are flying a more expensive plane than DL and most others. This doesn't by
51 Wn676 : It continued on to NGO, which was the only authority that HP could secure.
52 MAH4546 : That doesn't change the fact that they are still low-density. If AA had a choice, they would not be flying the low-density 763s to Hawai'i. But they
53 BMI727 : Yeah, that's right. It was Aloha Pacific that went to TPE. That was an epic failure too.
54 M11Stephen : I don't see this lasting long. IMO, they should add a stop in SFO or somewhere on the east coast and then continue to HNL.
55 MSPNWA : Cool! I don't care if it's a good move or a poor move. Just that it is a move it a plus to me. IMO, the eastern US is underserved to Hawaii. But when
56 TR1 : I recall seeing an article in one the Honolulu newspapers in the late 1980s that US Air was considering flying the 767-200s from PHL/PIT/CLT to Honolu
57 BMI727 : I think so too. I bet that will change when HA gets their A330s.
58 USFlyer MSP : I will concede this point to you. I would also like to add that US's 762's are not ER versions so a 762 with more seats would not have enough range t
59 Whappeh : Got the feeling that if it performs well a 332 will be on the route?
60 FutureUScapt : Yet, they also continue to fly PHL-ATH (albeit summer only) which is more than 350 miles longer than CLT-HNL will be. Flying a 762 from PHX-HNL reall
61 Jlbmedia : Doesn't PHL have a larger O&D market over CLT? If so wouldn't that make PHL a better choice? Or am I "smoking something"?
62 USFlyer MSP : PHL has more O&D, but CLT is better in terms of geography, # of flights, and overall system connectivity. The same reason why GIG was started out of
63 USFlyer MSP : ATH-PHL is usually severely weight restricted westbound. Interestingly, US originally planned to put an 333 on PHL-ATH an that was going to be have t
64 Kinglobjaw : Just like with CLT-GRU, CLT-HNL will affect Delta the most since they are going for the same connecting feed. As to flight length, CLT-HNL is only abo
65 DescendVia : Nope that honer still goes to Glenn. From an outsider looking in at US, I think CLT has more of a chance then PHL would since you got "nicer" CO serv
66 EwRkId : You forgot one more route, AC started YUL-FCO with the 763
67 ItalianFlyer : I think you are right...the first one will be christened "The City of Newark"...you watch
68 EwRkId : Huh....?
69 Post contains links N670UW : Actually, they are. All ten are either 767-201ER's or 767-2B7ER's. http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/US%20Airways-active-b767.htm
70 MSYPI7185 : I worked for Piedmont when the 767's were ordered and delivered, though most of them arrived after the merger with US. These 767's are the same ones
71 PlanesNTrains : People continue to fly them, so they must be doing something right. They may be the low end of good, but I don't see how Doug Parker has been the wor
72 LACA773 : It would only make sense that yields to Hawaii have improved since there's far fewer seats than there was two years ago. Think about AA and the 763s t
73 Slcdeltarumd11 : Shock! I am really surprised by this addition. Good luck to them but I think this flight is fighting an uphill battle to be profitable. I really do ho
74 EASTERN : Interesting. Can't wait to see how the route does. I really like connecting in CLT. I also prefer connecting in an Eastern or Mid-Western hub when goi
75 Cubsrule : The problem with upgrading PHX-HNL is that you have to get the 762 from the east coast to PHX, so you actually wind up with CLT-PHX-HNL (or PHL-PHX-H
76 USFlyer MSP : Ok, maybe technically they are. However, US's 762's have derated engines which provide a little bit more range than an non-ER 762 but nothing close t
77 USAirALB : Haha..or I like this one better..the Spirit of JFK. HA could say they are just naming it for a famous president, but really JFK Airport!!!
78 Contrails : WHOA!!!! CLT to HNL, non-stop? I am VERY impressed. Way to go US!!!! I wonder how long it will last. . .
79 United_Fan : That is a strange one,IMHO . To tie up a plane that long doesn't make sense. Seems that they could use it to the Carribean or something closer. That f
80 Airbazar : CLT has been US's biggest hub and one of N.America's major hubs for a very long time. A 9:45am departure is not that connection friendly. In my case,
81 Thestooges : Wow, I didn't realise that DL flew 2 764's per day from ATL to HNL. That definitely means that the move to a single daily 747-400 was in fact quite a
82 TheGMan : Anything that far south would require 2 planes to operate daily. PHL for sure. All 767 and 333/332 crews are there.
83 Gilesdavies : Well I am not here to discuss the economics of the route and if Parker has made the right decision in that area... US must however consider this route
84 DiscoverCSG : I'm curious about the early-in-the-day timing of this flight. How will the 762 be rotated to other routes in the system? No, people don't "enjoy" it.
85 MaverickM11 : Probably comes off of GIGCLT Maybe, but people much prefer to arrive at their vacation destination as early as possible without having to overnight,
86 Gilesdavies : I don't think the aircraft will be rotated and will simply dedicate a single 762 to the route... No other 762's as far as I am aware are based at CLT
87 Thestooges : I didn't even look at departure time from CLT actually, and yes that is pretty early, but it will still allow connections from most major Eastern US
88 Qantas777 : to all the jackasses out there who mention that this route is a mistake, think again. Where else are you going to utilize the 762? Makes sense to keep
89 MaverickM11 : The return flight GIG-CLT-PHL is operated by a narrowbody on the CLTPHL leg, which means the 762 goes somewhere else, like HNL. I don't think anyone
90 United_Fan : If nothing else,it will make for something 'new' for HNL spotters. I doubt HNL sees many 762's much,anymore.
91 PlanesNTrains : I understand and agree. But again, if the point being made is CLT-PHX is full and PHX-HNL is full (are they?), then putting a 762 on the route could
92 Airbazar : You can't compare charters with network carriers. Charters typically have a significant price advantage that makes up for the lack of service or inco
93 Flighty : Why would they do CLT-PHX-HNL again when they have already served that for years? The whole point is to connect the Southeast to Hawaii fast. Not crea
94 MaverickM11 : Plus the 762 doesn't give you much extra capacity over the 757 (4-7 seats), but it does increase costs quite a bit, before you even consider ownershi
95 Thestooges : Well in this situation I have no other choice, because as far as I know there are no American charter carriers that fly to Hawaii, or at least there
96 PlanesNTrains : I forget that the 762 isn't that big relative to the 752. I guess that kills the "capacity" argument for CLT-PHX-HNL. -Dave
97 Gigneil : That would be an awful speculation. These people, despite the 15 year old average opinions here, are professionals, with process and procedure in pla
98 MaverickM11 : Considering US' and DL's latest adds, it would behoove both of them to park at least a handful of 767s
99 Bobnwa :
100 USAirALB : When will this be online?
101 CV880 : Probably better off with a 332/333 after US takes more deliveries of the 332. Agreed the 762 is too small. DL's reduction more than likely to increas
102 Thestooges : Oh no, I definitely agree with you that the route planners at US didn't just pull this out of their asses and that a decent amount of time and though
103 Willyj : It's not in Sabre as of yet... and I just booked a family for Xmas via PHX. They'd much rather be on a nonstop.
104 Slcdeltarumd11 : CLT-PHX-HNL could have also made sense. I guess that the PHX-HNL flights are pretty full at this time to warrant additional capacity to HNL. CLT does
105 AWACSooner : And this airline has the corporate mindset of low yield tourist traffic...which is why they're bleeding $$ and coming up with stupid new ideas to nic
106 MaverickM11 : Yeah but airline history is riddled with examples of professionals making mistakes, as well as successes that have been nothing more than "wild ass g
107 DeltaL1011man : CLT is MUCH larger than CLE as a hub. IIRC its US's largest hub. Can a 333 make it? or would it have to be a 332? Not even close.....not even in the
108 Mariner : I'd put Mr. Seawell and then Mr. Acker - both at Pan Am - in the mix as well. mariner
109 MaverickM11 : Why is Doug so bad? Hasn't he done a pretty good job with two carriers that were walking toward the light very recently?
110 AWACSooner : Doug was the one who pretty much started this legacy carrier nickel and diming crap that the other majors have now jumped on.
111 MaverickM11 : And it's generated hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue; would you have preferred they cut hundreds of millions of cost?
112 Whappeh : They all could of gone out of business. I know I personally look forward to the days of 1 airline for all of us to photography.
113 Frontierflyer : This route will never make money, maybe its just a perk for east coast customers. There are probably not to many routes at the moment that a 767-200 c
114 Gigneil : I think you're right. I agree there are far worse and Carl and Frank are in the top, but not Glenn. He may be unpopular, but he saved that airline an
115 USAirALB : Thats why theres IFE
116 IADLHR : I was really hoping that someday UA would start IAD-HNL. Now I dont think that day will ever come.
117 TheGMan : Last winter there were 2 daily 762s that did CLT-SJU and now there will be an early morning arrival from GIG. Not to mention rotating an aircraft in
118 BMI727 : Exactly. They have the free plane, and so why not give HNL a shot? The worst that will happen is they will lose money and cut the route. That is exac
119 Hawaiian717 : The flight is now showing in the schedules on usairways.com. Start date is December 17.
120 Clipper136 : I guess I'll add my 1) US will have a spare aircraft sitting around because of the European pull down this winter. An aircraft does not make money whe
121 IliriBDL : They'll have 5 A332s by year end, word is they'll be using one for LHR, we know 2 will be for TLV so that leaves another 2 to be used elsewhere, eith
122 USAirALB : ATH
123 IliriBDL : Yeah, that should be the other A332. Anyone know how many we have coming next year (2010)?
124 Clipper136 : US is getting 5 more in 2010.
125 USFlyer MSP : ATH is seasonal, last I checked, one of the 332's is going to be flying to MUC for the winter
126 Wn676 : I think they made some changes, a 767 will stay on MUC and a 332 will operate LHR.
127 DeltaL1011man : they are ERs but do not have (IIIIRC) the same MTOW s say COs 762ERs. I dont think a non-ER could even make PHL-FCO-PHL at all alot of fees and such
128 DeltaCTO : While I may be off-topic ... since some posts are comparing US and DL ... 10 years ago DL offered the following to HNL: ATL-1 DFW-1 SAN-1 SFO-1 LAX-5
129 DeltaCTO : DL had service CVG/HNL briefly ... long after SAN and SFO were cut
130 USAirALB : I wouldn't say briefly, it was like 6 years. Didn't they also fly to OGG from CVG?
131 Asuflyer05 : The flight reduces pressure on the PHX to HNL flights and opens seats on those flights for more O&D and higher revenue conx pax. It also opens up seat
132 MaverickM11 : DL shareholders would have had a lot more money right now
133 COERJ145 : Looks like US isn't taking DL's lead in terms of food service to hawaii. DL has free food on ATL-HNL; a shorter flight while US has BOB. Come on US!
134 United_Fan : I just wonder how they will make any $ on this one? The fuel alone for a 762 spread out over however many pax doesn't make sense. Especially for an ol
135 Clipper136 : This seems to happen every time US adds a new longhaul flight to their system. It's like a place holder and shows no food service. The same thing hap
136 USAirALB : Maybe its temperorary, it said BOB from PHL-LHR when it first came out.
137 GentFromAlaska : This service will give the military folks and government civil service on Oahu another option to travel to southern central east coast. Other non-stop
138 United_Fan : Isn't that at the edge of US' old 762's range?
139 IliriBDL : Thank you Clipper.
140 Chepos : I am sure the new CLT to GIG flight will replicate CLT to LGW,FRA (meal service wiose). Envoy meal service and coach meal service (for free). Regars,
141 SHUPirate1 : FYI, I just got a press release that CLT-HNL will be year-round.[Edited 2009-06-21 10:43:12]
142 Cubsrule : US has done all kinds of things over the years to rotate 762s through the system over the years including, but certainly not limited to, flying PHL-C
143 TheGMan : Just earlier this year I hopped on a 762 that went CLT-MCO. It is very likely that plane went back to PHL. In the past, like 6 or so years ago 762 wa
144 Wn676 : I saw that too. Guess that means we'll have enough A330-200s by next spring to keep a 767 on this route.
145 USAirALB : Where?
146 Post contains links IliriBDL : From the US Airways website. US Airways Adds More "Aloha" with New Service to Hawaii from Charlotte
147 USAirALB : Now, hopefully they'll add meals to this flight. There should be some type of law making them.
148 Whappeh : They will. I don't know why everyone here is even suggesting otherwise, as the reasoning has been explained further up. Unless you all like just igno
149 Wn676 : You suggest we put a stop to a timeless Anet tradition? Now now, let's be reasonable...
150 USAirALB : Still showing in flight cafe
151 Gigneil : This is a free market. There are airlines that do. Consumers can choose one of them, if they so choose. Its an airline, not a restaurant. NS
152 Viscount724 : US uses the 762 PHL-ATH which is almost 300nm further than CLT-HNL. PHL-ATH 4375nm CLT-HNL 4085nm
153 LAXintl : For those that might be interested here are local daily one-way O&D counts from the Southeast to Honolulu. Atlanta-Honolulu 144.7 Orlando-Honolulu 70.
154 Cubsrule : Given that n/s service will likely stimulate the CLT market a little bit (to 50 PDEW, say), the ratio of local to connecting that US will have at CLT
155 B752OS : What about the northeast cities? Surely they will help feed into the flights.
156 Jdairceo : Unless in the past they have loaded F meal service first and then waited a couple days before adding coach, the meals are loaded. CLT-HNL shows Meal(F
157 MSYtristar : Wow. And I thought UA was pretty stingy in offering BOB only in Y on its ORD-HNL flight. CLT-HNL is approx. 400 miles longer in distance, and no free
158 COFanNYC : In what way, exactly has US or Parker led this? IMO, the two largest fees that have popped up over the years were the fees for the first and second c
159 MAH4546 : Actually, it was Spirit Airlines. UA and AA just made it mainstream. Though US surely did "lead" the way in charging for water and ending elite benef
160 COFanNYC : 100% agreed. Worth remembering too that UA actually attempted to make transatlantic flights BOB but no one went along with them and there was mass pu
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
US Airways To Start ATL-DCA posted Thu Oct 7 2004 23:46:49 by MAH4546
US Airways To Start PHL-TYS posted Thu Sep 9 2004 07:03:12 by MAH4546
US Airways To Start MIA-BWI, FLL-BWI, And FLL-BDL posted Sun Aug 15 2004 07:54:06 by MAH4546
US Airways To Start A321 Service To MSY posted Thu Dec 13 2001 01:58:46 by MSYtristar
US Airways To Hawaii Having A Rocky Start posted Wed Jan 25 2006 16:52:26 by Ballsdeep
US Airways To Launch Cirrus Business Class Seat posted Mon Jun 15 2009 12:38:40 by IliriBDL
Cayman Airways To Start MIA-CYB; IAD-GCM; ORD-GCM posted Thu Oct 9 2008 19:31:29 by MAH4546
Qatar Airways To Start Doha-Glasgow In March 09'? posted Wed Sep 24 2008 08:06:30 by 8herveg
Qatar Airways To Start DOH-EWR Nonstop? posted Tue Aug 12 2008 09:18:48 by Iluv747400
US Airways To Hamilton, Part 2: VA And On posted Mon Aug 11 2008 08:41:46 by Cactus742