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User currently offlineDALCE From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2007, 2019 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 30698 times:

Hi All,

With thread # 20 already well above 200 replies, I thought of opening # 21.

As LX has just recieved their 2nd 333 and the opening of OSL as new destination, there is already some nice subjects to chat about. I'm sure there is more to discuss!

The old thread can still be found here : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4346513/

Joost (D-ALCE)

flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,788,319,320,321,333,AB6.
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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30538 times:

Quoting DALCE (Thread starter):
As LX has just recieved their 2nd 333 and the opening of OSL as new destination, there is already some nice subjects to chat about. I'm sure there is more to discuss!

That's right, since yesterday MCT/DXB is the 2nd destination benefiting of the new SWISS inflight product. It looks like that the A343 will be used now quite frequently to JFK on the LX016 flights in addition ot the LX014 flight whcih is operated with the A333's.

User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 30499 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 1):

Sorry,...I came in late on this thread...having just flown to JFK on Swiss 332, are they doing away with all 332's? All the 332's I had seen on my trip did not appear to be high time birds...Whats up with the transition?...j

User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 30488 times:

All Swiss A332 are to be replaced by brand-new A333s until the end of 2010. LX has so far taken delivery of two new Airbus frames (HB-JHA and -JHB). The new 330-300s have a superior cabin product especially due to the new F and J seats.

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 30372 times:

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 3):
All Swiss A332 are to be replaced by brand-new A333s until the end of 2010. LX has so far taken delivery of two new Airbus frames (HB-JHA and -JHB). The new 330-300s have a superior cabin product especially due to the new F and J seats.

Additionally 2 more A333's will be delivered in the first quarter of 2011 which would make the total fleet of A333's 11 aircraft. Depending on the economic situation those deliveries might be delayed although currently there are no indications for that.

User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 30064 times:

News from Welschland airport GVA :
Baboo (F7) to start code-sharing all flights from GVA to france with AF from the 1st of July.
Flight concerned : GVA-BOD, GVA-NCE, GVA-TLS, GVA-BIQ, GVA-LTT and returns of course.
Great news, go on Baboo

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 29990 times:

Did a DL B752 go tech at ZRH on tuesday or so, because I saw one sitting at the SRTechnics area on wednesday morning?

Quoting HBJZA (Reply 5):
Baboo (F7) to start code-sharing all flights from GVA to france with AF from the 1st of July.
Flight concerned : GVA-BOD, GVA-NCE, GVA-TLS, GVA-BIQ, GVA-LTT and returns of course.
Great news, go on Baboo

That's good news for Baboo especially during times like that it will be easier to fill the planes

User currently offlineLX8626 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2007, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 29871 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 6):
Did a DL B752 go tech at ZRH on tuesday or so, because I saw one sitting at the SRTechnics area on wednesday morning?

It was N718TW. On wednesday there was no incomming flight from JFK, only the depature from DL207 (N718TW) and on tuesday depature was cancelled.

Does anybody know what happend to HB-ISE.
Yesterday (Friday) she made ZRH-PMI-CGN-PMI. She didn't come back yesterday night.
AB9749 was cancelled at about 20:30 (German Time) and is planned for today, but still delayed.
Flight AB4984 ZRH-LPA-ZRH is operated by CS-TEJ today.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 29677 times:

The 3 Class equiped A332 (HB-IQI) of SWISS had it's last flight on the 21st of June and didn't fly since then looks like that this plane is the A332 is the anounced aircraft that will be taken out of service until the end of the end of october. Will it ever enter into service again though with SWISS, probably yes as HB-IQJ and K will leave later in the year?

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4138 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 29375 times:

Ryanair starts new flights between Basel and Porto on September 4. The flights will be operated 3 times weekly.

Unfortunately the twice weekly flight to Dublin has been cancelled.

User currently offlineLX8626 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2007, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 29190 times:

HB-JMJ is back in the sky.
After some weeks stored at ZRH she did a check flight on 02 JUL and yesterday she flew to JFK (LX014). Today she will serve LAX as LX040.

Nice to see all 15 A340 in the sky.

User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2083 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months ago) and read 29083 times:

Quoting LX8626 (Reply 10):
HB-JMJ is back in the sky

They planed to store the plane untill October 2009. So, I'm surprised that HB-JMJ is back in the sky.

Did LX put another A332 in storage along with HB-IQI?

When I'm right eight A332 are in operations:


Can someone confirm this?

User currently offlineKa From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 29030 times:

-IQG is also out of service and parked at ZRH in VN-c/s.


[Edited 2009-07-04 10:32:10]

Keep smiling - you might be on Radar!
User currently offlineDALCE From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2007, 2019 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 28988 times:

Quoting LX8626 (Reply 10):

Does this also mean that LX is not using an LH 340-300 on some BOS flights?
I have seen LH 343's at ZRH E-concourses regularly ( although it was some months ago I was in ZRH ).

Joost (D-ALCE)

flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,788,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineKa From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 28955 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 11):
Did LX put another A332 in storage along with HB-IQI

Don´t think -IQI is in storage.

E.g. on 05th July she operates the ZRH-DXB-MCT flight.


Keep smiling - you might be on Radar!
User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 2083 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 28880 times:

One more long range plane on ground soon... http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/sto...n-Flieger-bleibt-am-Boden-16383631

At the moment LX has the following LR fleet:

A330-200 (8 planes, HB-IQA, -C, -H, -I, -J, -K, -O and -Q)
A330-300 (2 planes, HB-JHA and -B)
A340-300 (15 planes, HB-JMA to O)

They only has phase-out three A330-200 (HB-IQG, -P and -R).

If I count that, it makes only MINUS ONE. I always think, that HB-IQI also is stored in Zurich, but KA says it is in operation. Also HB-JMJ is back in service.

Has LX now a storage day by day?

User currently offlineSr176 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 28871 times:

Would it not make sense to keep always a plane as a backup. I remember when the LR fleet was completely utilized, there was always a problem when a plane went tech.

Or is it from insurance (and other) point of view totally uneconomical ?

User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 28820 times:

Hi there, I'm back from my two week holiday! I was expecting a whole bunch of fresh, hot news, but it seems like I'm not the only one taken a few days off  Wink
Now, has anyone already been on the new OSL route? How was its start, how's it performing (yeah I know, difficult to analyse after just two weeks or so, but nevertheless)?
There is also an attractive LX C-class longhaul campaign, advertising upgrades for 300.- to 700.- (depending on destination) until the end of August. I will try and catch one Big grin

Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.
User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 446 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 28537 times:

Flew to OSL 27th June and 28th June. To OSL the was empty. It looked like that every passanger had a row for himself but on the way back the plane was full. Saw only two free seats.

Simle at the world and the world smiles back :)
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2881 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28459 times:

As we all know Swiss operates almost an all Airbus fleet. During my spare time I create fantasy liveries for the airlines as well as modifications as well. Just recently I came up with a Swiss Boeing 737-800. Pretty soon I will be designing a fantasy livery for Swiss also that I will post here.

Here is the "737-857":


What do you think?

ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28444 times:

You got the proportions of the cross wrong.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2881 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 28403 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 20):
You got the proportions of the cross wrong.

What exactly are the right proportions of the cross? This way I can fix it.

ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5601 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 28390 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 21):
What exactly are the right proportions of the cross? This way I can fix it

Wikipedia: "The coat of arms of the federation is, within a red field, an upright white cross, whose [four] arms of equal length are a sixth longer than their width."

This is the official Flag of Switzerland but I am not sure if SWISS has the official dimensions.

User currently offlineBMIE70 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 28286 times:

Hi, has anyone seen the helicopter in the background of this picture? http://twitpic.com/9mp7k

It is due to lift the new Alinghi catamaran from Villeneuve to the Med on Wednesday, weather permitting.

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28122 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 15):

At the moment LX has the following LR fleet:

A330-200 (8 planes, HB-IQA, -C, -H, -I, -J, -K, -O and -Q)
A330-300 (2 planes, HB-JHA and -B)
A340-300 (15 planes, HB-JMA to O)

They only has phase-out three A330-200 (HB-IQG, -P and -R).

If I count that, it makes only MINUS ONE. I always think, that HB-IQI also is stored in Zurich, but KA says it is in operation. Also HB-JMJ is back in service.

Has LX now a storage day by day?

HB-IQI was out of service for a week or so but since last saturday it's back in service. Possibly LX decided for the time being to use all A332's and always rotate the plane that is out of service.

Regarding the A343's they are still operating 14/15, however as HB-JMA went in for it's D Check HB-JMJ is back in services. As of now each month another A343 will go in for it's D Check.

On anitger note, I was on the new A333 to JFk a few days in C and must say that the seat is outstanding. On top of that passengers in C class on the A333 are served Nespresso Espresso. The only complaint is the IFE system it has only 25 or so movies to choose from like the A343. The system has potential of many more movies so I hope the selection will be increased.

25 LX8626 : Hey together, does anybody know what happened to EC-HDP today at ZRH? She did IB 3478 (MAD-ZRH) but IB 4449 (ZRH-SCQ) now is delayed and will be opera
26 HBJZA : For those enjoying Nespresso Espresso, Baboo (F7) serves them for the Economy full flex pax on the E190 !!!!
27 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : AB is going to start 10 weekly flight operations between PRN and ZRH. Here's the link http://www.eciks.org/english/lajme.php?action=total_news&main_id
28 LX8626 : AB is still serving PRN on Saturdays since two weeks.
29 FatmirJusufi : Yeah. They've had operated one of their flights with Belair 767-300. A rare A/C over here.
30 HAM : quote from the ECIKS.org article: "After the signing ceremony in the Prishtina Airport, representatives of Kosova Airlines said that thousands of othe
31 FatmirJusufi : After I've read an article only on my own language and didn't have much time to check this English source, I really do believe it's just author's fau
32 SandroZRH : So i just got a call from SWISS: I'm hired, typerating starts on monday, Airbus A32S!
33 ZRH : Congrats, congrats! I am looking forward flying with you. Cheers Philipp
34 FatmirJusufi : Congratulations, Sandro. Wish you all the best. Fatmir
35 Jambo293 : Congrats Sandro... wish you many happy takeoffs and landings. Good to see an airline hiring in this era of pay cuts, retrenchments, reduced working ho
36 Post contains images SandroZRH : Probably off to landing training somewhere in Europe with a dozen of new A330 trainees. PS: Thanks for the nice replies everyone [Edited 2009-07-14 1
37 LXA340 : Congratulations! How many months before you will have your first scheduled flight?
38 SandroZRH : Thanks! About two months, so should be in mid-september.
39 DALCE : Gruezi Sandro, Congrats on your employment with LX. I wish you a lot of fun, many safe flights and happy landings! Whenever you come to AMS, you know
40 FatmirJusufi : Cool. I hope we will see you out here at PRN someday.
41 SandroZRH : Thanks Joost, appreciate it! And you make sure to come up to the gate to say hello I'll let you know
42 Post contains links LXA340 : Hi guys, feel free too look at my trip report of my JFK-ZRH flight on the Brand New A330-343E of LX cheers First Swiss A330-300 Trip Report On Airline
43 SandroZRH : Good job Besides, I'm starting my typerating training tomorrow. I'll try to write a "training report" towards the end if i have the time.
44 LXA340 : That would be awsome...Good luck
45 Knightsofmalta : It appears that LX is suspending its BSL to BEG flight at the end of the summer schedule. Does anybody know if they're canceling just that route or ar
46 RJ100 : Probably the route just works in summer. The flight went out with 94 pax yesterday and today with almost 80. The other flights are still bookable, eve
47 AviationMaster : A late congrats from my part, well done!
48 Humberside : Cant see BSL-BRU going anywhere with the LH/Brussels Airlines deal
49 Pellegrine : I cant wait for the new 333 on JFK-GVA. This is my route!
50 ZRH : I read a short message on Swiss TV SF 1 Teletext page 722 that SQ postponed the plans flying the A 380 to Zurich. The problems are not taxiways or the
51 Helvknight : Congrats Sandro. Many happy takeoffs - and the same number of landings
52 FatmirJusufi : So A380 will not land at ZRH this September?
53 ZRH : It looks like . But when SQ really wants to come with her regularly, I am sure that Unique will either way do the necessary adaptions at the gates. T
54 LXA340 : True, well a shame that we will need to wait a bit longer than a few months for the first A380 to land at ZRH. As far as I know SQ originally planed
55 CX288 : That's exactly what they did with the CDG route. So the big bus is now going there instead of ZRH, but with Star Alliance hubs at both end more frequ
56 A333X : Is HB-IQH (332) AOG in GVA? It seems that yesterday's (21.07) both GVA-JFK (LX022) and LX 017 JFK-ZRH were cancelled. Since LX023 landed on time this
57 330lover : AFAIK LX always swaps aircraft in JFK. Aircraft flies ZRH-JFK-GVA-JFK-ZRH.
58 Post contains links FelixZRH : I don't know the latest. But there is a report in 20Min which is not very serious all the time: http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/20039238 (Germ
59 A333X : It explains everything! Thanks for the link!
60 LXA340 : Typical, once somethign goes wrong one dilema is followed by the next....
61 LX138 : I was keen to know how LX does on their flights to FLR? Does anybody know what the current frequency is and whether they send anything other than the
62 MAH4546 : Winter North America schedule was updated. Boston, Miami and LAX are daily, as is JFK-GVA. JFK-ZRH reduced to 12w, ORD reduced to 6w, EWR and YUL to 5
63 LXA340 : Nothing too dramatic, are there any plans btw to upgrade the EWR BBJ with new seats etc? Any news on the A340 (HB-JMN) that went tech at GVA 2 days a
64 Post contains links LX8626 : According to this site HB-JMN did MUC-ZRH today http://www.libhomeradar.org/database...hp?qid=1608219&sid=12304498&page=0
65 FatmirJusufi : " target=_blank>http://www.libhomeradar.org/database...age=0 Quite impressing.
66 DALCE : We operate 3x daily with AR1 equipment and no 32S planned for the coming days. Loads seem to be quite ok, have done some random checks, but all above
67 Vegas005 : Unique is really dropping the ball lately. First the B terminal is late getting updated forcing Schegen passengers to be bussed to planes out of the
68 ZRH : You are partly right but exaggerate a little bit . For a certain time they did not need much of the B-Dock (after 9/11) therefore they did nothing th
69 LX138 : Thanks for that, do you know what percentage is generally connecting traffic, and what flights they are generally coming from? It seems LX do pretty
70 PhilInBRN : I'm wondering though how much Unique actually wants SQ to bring in the A380. When you consider that the revenue of two 77W are most likely higher of o
71 LXA340 : HB-JMA is back from it's heavy maintenance check after just 20 days it will fly tonight to HKG. I'd assume that as of today HB-JMB is in for heavy mai
72 RJ100 : Ryanair increases Basel-Marseille from 2 weekly flights to 5 weekly and Basel-Stansted from 3 weekly flights to daily as per winter schedule.
73 DALCE : nope, sorry can't look into this kind of data.
74 SandroZRH : And even if you could, you probably shouldn't publish such data
75 Dens : Afterr MyAir bankrupt in Italy, Darwin Airline, the Lugano based airline, started flights in Italy. New route opened yesterday are: - Foggia - Milano
76 PhilInBRN : Nice. Especially the daily connection to Stansted gives one much better opportunities to connect on another FR flight everywhere in Europe. Now I'm j
77 DALCE : Don't worry Sandro. I know what I can and can't publish.
78 LXA340 : SWISS operated for the first time one of it's 2 brand new A333's (HB-JMA) to ORD today. Where is HB-JHC shouldn't the plane be already in the fleet?
79 LACA773 : Thanks for the great illustration. It looks great. I would like to do things like this myself. How do you do it? How's LX's LAX flight doing? I hope
80 Someone83 : What are Swiss' plan with the interior of their A-340s? Will they also get the new business and first class?
81 ZRH : A question came up: SWISS has different block-times for the "same" route from JFK to ZRH. Example from SWISS page: Departure JFK on July 29th: LX 17 A
82 LXA340 : The scheduled time definetly has nothing to do with aircraft type....outbound flight times ZRH-JFK for instance are for both flights the same. The bl
83 Trvlr : Does anyone know if one of the new A330-300s will operate ORD-ZRH on Friday July 31? I am scheduled to fly on that day but want to make sure I'll get
84 Knightsofmalta : I returned from LGW to BSL with Easyjet yesterday evening. I've never been much of a fan of their's but I have to hand it to them, they take safety on
85 ChrisZRH : @LXA340: HBJHC had a small accident on the right hand side fuselage during inboard slat change. Delivery is postponed until further notice by Airbus.
86 LXA340 : Thanks Chris for the info. Doesn't LX have the right to claim for compensation or at least further price reductions? I gues HB-JHD will be delivered
87 PhilInBRN : According to skyliner-aviation.de, HB-JHC was delivered yesterday. According to a flightforum.ch HB-JHC landed yesterday on rwy14 in ZRH. Is this the
88 ZRH : It could be that an other 333 is now at ZRH (JHC or JHD). When I drove by on the highway I saw partly a SWISS wide-body plane sitting at the stands b
89 Asiaflyer : Yes thats correct. It was c/n 1029, which originally was designated as HB-JHD, that was delivered as HB-JHC.
90 Post contains links and images ChrisZRH : Here's what's happened. Just above the static ports
91 LXA340 : HB-JHC had it's first flight today as LX014 to JFK. Airbus has time till some point towards the end of the month to deliver HB-JHC (originally to be
92 ZRH : Thanks. You are absolutely right. I have just now checked the arrivals of ZRH today (Aug 1st). LX 17 HB-JHC !
93 LXA340 : I gues now there are really only 7 A332's left in the LX fleet and HB-IQK will not return back to service? It didn't fly since July 3rd. HB-IQJ will
94 LX8626 : On my daily flight tracking at ZRH I discovered that there is something wrong with HB-IHS. Does anybody know what happened to HB-IHS today in AYT ? Sh
95 LXA340 : The flight had to return to AYT shortly after departure due to a bird strike. All the 206 Passengers and 7 crew members are safe. The plane will rema
96 Post contains links SandroZRH : http://avherald.com/h?article=41da180e&opt=0
97 LX8626 : Thanks very much, Sandro. XQ's flight back to ZRH is cancelled now. Perhaps they booked the passengers on the other 3 flight AYT-ZRH by FHE, XQ and LX
98 Post contains links ZRH : For all German reading people, an interesting magazine. The new NZZ Folio from August 3rd (monthly publication by Neue Zürcher Zeitung, always on fir
99 777way : Which company deisgned the fantastic new LX First class cabin.
100 Post contains links SandroZRH : Thanks for the link Phil! You don't even need to buy the newspaper, it's all online: http://www.nzzfolio.ch/www/d80bd71b-...0-81cc-4c98-9491-c9ce5164
101 ZRH : Thanks, Sandro. I did not realize that it is online because I have the magazine in hard-copy.
102 SandroZRH : Does anybody know what a USAF BBJ is doing at ZRH? It's parked on the remote stands across RWY16 by the heligrill. Is there a state visit that I haven
103 Dtswi : does anyone know if the new 333 will disserve as well Asia, like Bangkok? And also: any more precise idea when the 1st 343 will be refitted like the 3
104 ZRH : No, SWISS will not fly the 333 to BKK. They use their 15 A 343 for long long-haul (like BKK, PVG, HKG, NRT, JNB, GRU, LAX etc.) and the 333 for short
105 Dtswi : Thank you ZRH for your info. One more comment: I feel like swiss is not updating their "news" section on their website. Last info was end of June. No
106 ZRH : I agree. Some parts of the home-page is updated slowly, for example "fleet". BTW I think this is not Mr Hohmeister's business as CEO .
107 ZRH : I don't know either. You can speculate: was Hillary Clinton here to speak to Calmy-Rey?
108 Dtswi : Dear Zrh, if I may comment : of course it is not his direct responsability, but still at the end of the day he is responsible at all levels. I cannot
109 ZRH : I agree
110 Dtswi : LXA340 or SandroZRH: any update on the refitting of 343 similar to 333? Any idea when it will start? Thanks guys
111 Standby87 : BIG THANKS! It's in English and French as well - excellent article!
112 LXA340 : Over the summer months things are relatively quiet, however they will not make a release after evry A333 will be delivered only once all frames will
113 Dtswi : thank you lxa340 for those explanations waiting for sandro to enlighten me further...
114 Knightsofmalta : Hi Dtswi The A. 340s will receive the new cabin in C and Y but not in F. In Economy they will have the seats LH originally ordered for its A. 380. Ho
115 Dtswi : thank you kinghtsofmalta. It does not make sense to me to upgrade comfort in C and Y, but not in first... Hopefully this is provisory, and eventually
116 PhilInBRN : Some short news: Easyjet will beginn twice daily service on BSL-DUS route starting November 2. Easyjet has also added new destinations from Geneva for
117 LXA340 : I fully agree that this doesn't make any sense, especially considering that the A340's are used on the longest routes in the LX network. Why has LX d
118 RJ100 : Also, easyJet will go daily (up from 2 weekly) on the Basel to Bordeaux route in winter.
119 Dtswi : Quoting LXA340 (reply 117): exactly. Would be nice if Sandro had more piece of information !
120 Knightsofmalta : The official reason is that the first class product currently installed on the A. 340s is still good enough and does not need changing, whereas the C
121 Post contains images LXA340 : At the end of the day the long haul fleet of LX will consist of 26 Planes 11 A333's and 15 A343's by 2011, hence it would be nice to have on the whol
122 RJ100 : Basel to Düsseldorf is now on sale with the following schedule: BSL-DUS: Mon-Fri = 0700-0815 Mon-Fri = 1935-2050 Sat = 1115-1230 Sun = 1935-2050 DUS-
123 LXA340 : The A320's are ex BA MED planes right?
124 Viasa : easyJet has five A320-232s in it's fleet, all of them are former GB Airways planes and are destinated for British Airways soon. But easyJet has also
125 LXA340 : HB-JMB is currently undergoing a D check (Heavy Maintenance) and HB-IQK was taken out of service and is currenty stored at ZRH but should leave the f
126 Post contains images Dtswi : well... we are August 11 tomorrow and besides the factual info about traffic & finances, still no news (press releases) on swiss' website since June 2
127 LXA340 : honestly as said....it's summer and there really aren't any spectacular news. As mentioned the financial results for Jan-Jun which are published and
128 LX8626 : According to my ZRH-FlightTracking HB-JMN did her last "tracked" fligh on 03/AUG/2009 as LX289 JNB-ZRH. Perhaps she is next for D-Check or she is sti
129 Standby87 : LOL! You mean "pedantic" not subjective But you're quite right: attention to detail is part of the swiss (and the Swiss!) ethos and they make a diffe
130 Standby87 : Deleted double post due to waiting for Adverts that never appeared...[Edited 2009-08-10 23:34:48]
131 Ka : No. It is aviation crisis! -JMN has been taken out of service until mid-october due to overcapacity. -IQK has been taken out of service due to overca
132 Dtswi : Thank you KA for your input. How reliable is your information? May I ask if you work for Swiss? Thanks. Best regards Standby87: lol exactly! LXa340 th
133 LXA340 : This is a long term investment. If the A343's will get now a coplete refit they will not need a new cabin until they will get retired. Wow....I didn'
134 Post contains links Knightsofmalta : In view of Ka's revelations that the new First may not be here to last, you might want to check out LXfans excellent trip report in First class on the
135 Dtswi : Thank you Knightsofmalta for your input. Yes and again: it does not make sense at all to have different product on different airplanes, and worse: to
136 LXA340 : True, once again I fully agree with you. SWISS is a great airline and esepcially because of that they need to offer a consistent product to be even g
137 SandroZRH : I think we all need to relax and start thinking rationally. Yes, i too think it's unfortnate that LX is not going to retrofit their A340 F class, but
138 ZRH : Great. Is this your first flight in the right seat? Congrats.
139 LXA340 : Altough I critizised the move by LX a lot I do agree with you in retrospect that at those times it is better to wait with the upgrade of the F and Y
140 SandroZRH : That's what they have in mind right now. Well, actually it's just my first observer flight. I have to do 4 days as an observer on the jumpseat before
141 ZRH : Sounds good. A lot of CDG incl night stop . Before your first flight do you train on a real aircraft or only in the simulator?
142 Ka : -JMB is just now doing a test-flight after the D-check as SWR5220. KA.
143 Dtswi : replying to SandroZRH and lxa340: Thank you both for your input. Sorry but if I may: 1) swissness and premium airline is swiss' aim; you cannot have o
144 ZRH : I agree with you in the most aspects but the new 333 has nothing to do at all with the refurbishing of the 343. They needed the 333 because the 332 i
145 Ka : Re: A332/333: All but two A332 are leased. As LH historically tries to keep the number of owned a/c high, LX tried to buy their A332 and then refurbis
146 SandroZRH : Was that the A340 that performed a rather unsusual departure to the north around mid-morning?
147 LXA340 : As long as LX will upgrade the planes eventually that is perfectly fine and obviously understandable that they decide to wait with this investment a
148 Dtswi : Good morning everyone, 2 questions (sorry if I missed something): 1) do JMA and JMB now have new C cabin? 2) anybody has reliable info on how is F cla
149 LXA340 : No JMA and JMB did not receive any news seats, I guess they werent available or LX ordered them too late. The first iarcraft to receive the new C and
150 Dtswi : thank you LXA340 for your info - a pity there is no official info from swiss yet on this important topic. I guess my point b) will remain unanswered
151 SandroZRH : What do you expect? A press release saying: "Two of our A340-300 aircraft have now just undergone maintenance but due inavailability of our new busin
152 LXA340 : I haven't seen any airline that is making a post about every little issue or movement therefore I don't see any need for such press releases as Sandr
153 Sr176 : The topic on which aircraft has which seats is not really relevant. We are not careing about it when doing a reservation on any of those flights. And
154 Dtswi : I do care, thank you, when you have a 12 hours flight BKK-Zrh and you are 188cm tall, you would know that the current business class seats are not th
155 LXA340 : See it this way compared to the A332 Business Class seats the current C Class on the A340's are "First Class Suites"
156 Dtswi : Haha. Yes, true !
157 RJ100 : Pegasus Airlines starts a 4 times weekly route Basel-Istanbul Sabiha Gökcen effective winter schedule. That makes 3 airlines to Istanbul (6 weekly ea
158 PhilInBRN : They better rename themselves RhineWings then Is the service to Poprad launched due to the car industry there (service for PSA)?
159 SandroZRH : and 5 x weekly from ZRH.
160 RJ100 : If Im not mistaken, the Peugeot factory is in Trnava (about 55kms from Bratislava). Poprad might be more interesting for tourists. Its a beautiful re
161 Vegas005 : I love Swiss too (although I am a critical rater) and prices to the USA are consistently 1.5 to 2 times higher than other airlines. Additionally the
162 Dtswi : I was being egoistic From Portugal it is the case... It really depends on the land of origin.
163 RJ100 : MASKargo is arriving back to Basel as per 16/9/2009 with two weekly flights: Wednesday: MH 6123 ex SPL 20.20 / to TAS and KUL 22.50 B747-200F Saturday
164 LXA340 : SWISS operated LX052 to BOS today for he first time with the A333 I guess this was due to maintenance reasons as the plane was out of service yesterda
165 Viscount724 : It may have been related to the following engine-related LX incident on a BOS-ZRH A343 reported in yesterday's Transport Canada daily occurrence repo
166 LXA340 : The aircraft in question departed on time to PVG today so proably a minor problem that could be fixed quickly in ZRH.
167 PhilInBRN : Swiss has taken delivery of its fourth Airbus 330-300 HB-JHD on August 26. It is planned to enter scheduled service within a few days.
168 LXA340 : It has it's first scheduled flight today as LX014 to JFK
169 RJ100 : After a few years without any services Basel receives back some winter longhauls this season: Monday BIE 5334 arr.: 12.45 from Paris-Orly dep.: 14.15
170 SandroZRH : It actually seems that ZRH and BSL have both weathered the storm without major cutbacks. A few frequency cuts here and there, but nothing drastic, an
171 ZRH : I absolutely agree with you, Sandro. This "Initiative" is ridiculous and dangerous. In the majority these are people who came to live in the last few
172 AGRflyer : I will vote ¨"NO" for sure. It is a no brainer for me.
173 SandroZRH : And/or cheap rents, not wondering why exactly they are cheaper than someplace else.
174 LXA340 : For sure we will vote No....Making a fool out of our country by negotiating with terrorists like Gadafi and coming up with non sense anti airport inn
175 Knightsofmalta : Just to start the A. 330-300 seat debate again: I am currently in Oman, I flew with LX on the new A. 330-300 in First Class. Seeing as my travel compa
176 LXA340 : Nothing is perfect in life I was flying in C on the A333 but I did notice that there really isn't any seperation between the cabin and the Galley in
177 Vegas005 : Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the vote was more about getting the people in the south to take their fair share of flights..which they certa
178 SandroZRH : The Initiative is about distributing all traffic equally, which would certainly mean more noise for the south. It's really not the distribution of no
179 SandroZRH : A couple of LX timetable adjustements, I hope this ain't old news: ZRH-BKK goes daily eff 27OCT A343 ZRH-JFK goes to 13 x weekly eff 01DEC A332/A333/A
180 LXA340 : I would assume LX will have 14 / 15 A343's again flying by December the 15th will be out of service due to Heavy maintenance? This is a first good si
181 SandroZRH : Actually, LX is evaluating two VERY exotic destinations as we speak, on the request of a tour operator. But the negotiations/evaluation are/is still i
182 Sr176 : But those two exotic destination you mention, would be charter flights, maybe once a week?
183 PhilInBRN : Talking about charter operations: Does LX still plan to operate some flights for Edelweiss with their own A332 during the winter season? I heard about
184 HECA : A couple of years ago LX closed AUH since it is so close to DXB (150 km drive). Perhaps BEY?
185 Dtswi : Hey dear Swiss avation friends, just wanted to inform you that I posted my 1st trip on airliners - comparison in business class between LX, LH & TP on
186 SandroZRH : Exactly, "scheduled" charter flights. The deal is far from becoming reality though, a lot of security and OPS issues need to be looked into and resol
187 Helvknight : But what is the point of such an initiative? I'm assuming it is a ZH Kanton initiative (I've heard nothing about it here in AG) but avaiation is regu
188 ZRH : Actually you are right. All these "initiative" in the Canton regarding aviation are nonsense because in the end its the Federation (Bund) which decid
189 PhilInBRN : What do you guys think about THR as a new Swiss destination? Is there enough O&D demand to justify such a route? I think that BEY would be a very nice
190 LXA340 : With those plans I guess LX will still receive 11 A333's by 2011 and not 9? We might see a 3rd destination in India or possibly Osaka a destination o
191 SandroZRH : Possibly yes, but I think our security departement wouldn't allow this. Among many other security problems, just think of flying into todays Iran wit
192 CX288 : SEL was once served by SR as well, and nowadays ICN is a Star hub thanks to Asiana.
193 Sr176 : What is the problem in flying into THR ? LH600 out of FRA is always packed. Even during the protests in Tehran recently my company did not interrupt t
194 HECA : SR and later on LX served THR (with the MD11!) but axed the route during the restructuring of the network a couple of years ago. As I recall, many tr
195 PhilInBRN : Well if LX can operate flights to Saudi Arabia with the cross in its livery then Teheran shouldn't be a problem. I do wonder though if LX will expand
196 Sr176 : I remember that not too long ago Harry Hohmeister mentioned SFO, PEK, AUH and Africa as potential candidates for new destinations.
197 Knightsofmalta : I doubt if LX will expand in Africa any time soon, not with Brussels Airlines joining the STAR Alliance.
198 FLYYUL : Im surprised Swiss doesnt build up Geneva a bit more. Especially when we consider the progress FlyBaboo has made. One would think Swiss would link Gen
199 SandroZRH : HH specifically mentioned Africa in his latest letter to the employees. I don't think SN joining *A has any impact on LX's potential expansion plans
200 ZRH : This is absolutely unrealistic. SWISS as a medium sized airline can not sustain more than one hub. Even bigger airlines, like AF for example, do only
201 Flyyul : We are talking about having more presence in GVA, not a full fledged hub. Not sure if your watching, but LX has been marginalized in GVA. Airlines ar
202 PhilInBRN : Why would they want resume flights just to feed one trans atlantic flight? LX made a decision years ago to dehub GVA. This will not change all of sud
203 Knightsofmalta : So? Harry Hohmeister was already talking about starting AUH and SFO three years ago. And when LX started PVG it was touted as the next SWISS success
204 Flyyul : That's not the intention. But T-ATL cnx minimizes the risk for LX to expand their local presence.
205 Viscount724 : It would weaken their ZRH hub as the aircraft for the additional GVA flights would have to come from ZRH, meaning reduced ZRH frequencies and fewer c
206 Knightsofmalta : Does anybody know if LX is about to start BLQ some time soon? I'm asking because there's a promotion on the SWISS homepage for a flight to BLQ with LX
207 LXA340 : lol...true. Nevertheless maybe really worth a consideration for LX? I am still asking myself if SFO will do well, I guess as LX is in Star Alliance a
208 SandroZRH : Whatever, time will tell, and i'll remember your words. Have I ever said that PVG would be a success? I have actually said quite the opposite. Why do
209 PhilInBRN : I just read that LX will add a fourth daily flight on the ZRH-TXL route with A320.
210 Viscount724 : LX already has 5 daily flights ZRH-TXL.
211 PhilInBRN : Sorry my mistake, they will add a sixth flight with timing like this: LX 976 ZRH-TXL 8:50 - 10:15 LX 977 TXL-ZRH 10:45 - 12:15
212 LXA340 : 30 Mins turnaround time are a bit tight if flights are operated with A32S considering arrival delays etc
213 PhilInBRN : Yeah but flight time ZRH-TXL isn't really 1:25 or 1:30 either. I think that is actually good scheduling by LX, way to maximize aircraft utilization.
214 LXA340 : I have noticed that LX is trying to utilize it's A332's at a minimum. For instance HB-IQH didn't fly since the 31.08. Over the past week at least 2 ou
215 LXA340 : SWISS has canceleld this afternoon it's LX1805 service Airbus A321 (HB-IOK) from IST to ZRH due to technical reasons. The 190 Passengers were first ke
216 HBJZA : Baboo F7 has announced it's winter schedule. Adding 3 new destinations from GVA. London City LCY 11 times weekly, MXP 12 times weekly and MRS 12 times
217 Dens : I don't really understand Baboo strategy... Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope to be wrong), but I don't think the new routes will last long. LCY : Swiss fl
218 HBJZA : I also really hope that you're wrong and that all these new routes will be a success. I just forgot to mention above that all routes to France and LC
219 AntonovA330 : There's a (few days old) news concerning the A333 cabin (taken from LX website): "NEW SWISS CABIN PRODUCT A HIT WITH CUSTOMERS SWISS travellers are de
220 LIPZ : Looks like easyJet will suspend its Basel-Rome Ciampino route next month (25 Oct).
221 LXA340 : Just to clarify my previous post. Aproximately 6 hours after scheduled departure time passengers were given hotel accomadation to good 4 / 5 Star hot
222 Post contains links ZRH : SWISS buys the brand "Swissair". But at the moment they don't want to use it, only prevent that others are able to fly under this formerly famous bran
223 RJ100 : That happens if you load a schedule that needs 5 aircraft but only have 4 aircraft available. Other rumour for the moment is that the flights will be
224 Saab2000 : I wonder why it took so long for someone to buy this!
225 ZRH : It is said in the article. First the executor of Swissair wanted to have CHF 500mi which of course was way too much. Now SWISS has only to renounce a
226 RJ100 : The flights are back in the system. Still to Ciampino though. Seems like easyJet still works on the final schedule.
227 LXA340 : I think SWISS should stay with the "Swiss International Air Lines" brand as people start to get used to it and another switch might be a bit confusin
228 Knightsofmalta : I don't think they should change to Swissair either after all the effort and money that was put into branding SWISS. However perhaps now they could fi
229 SandroZRH : I couldn't agree more, but I fear that's not going to happen anytime soon
230 ZRH : In many countries for a lot of people it doesn't matter if "SWISS" or "Swissair" as they even don't know the difference. I like the idea to omit the "
231 ZRH : Helvetic Airways and SWISS prolonged their contract that three of the four Helvetic aircrafts fly for SWISS till spring 2014. I found this in the prin
232 AntonovA330 : Hmm... is this "good" or "bad"? For 2L its a good thing for sure.. What do you guys think of this?
233 Post contains links DALCE : Please continue the discussions in the new Swiss Aviation Thread # 22 It can be found here : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/re
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