Krasof From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9056 times:
I've read several posts questioning AA's future in ORD. I will be moving to Miami soon and as a AA fan I wouldn't like them to abandon this gateway. I was wondering how important and strategic is Miami for AA'a future. Thanks
Directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1626 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9019 times:
I don't know much, but I know this:
-MIA, alongside DFW and ORD are crucial to AA, and no matter how much they are downsized, they will never be abandoned
-MIA is a large market unto itself, and lucrative to any carrier
-MIA is gateway to an extremely large Latin American network. AA's penetration of Latin American markets is unparalleled by any other airline, and is extremely valuable to American.
-There is no other airline with a significant hub at MIA. It's very much a fortress hub for AA.
-MIA is a big oneworld hub
Internationally, I could see:
Asuncion (as discussed in a separate thread)
Barcelona and Milan are pretty much givens before its all said and done. AA wont fly MIA-FRA. I think BSB, ASU, and COR would be great additions. NRT will happen someday and I would love to see JNB come online, though Im not holding my breath on that last one.
DFW Fan Boy: Im crude, irreverent, and blunt, but Im not clueless. I offer no apologies.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 6569 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8213 times:
I'd see stations like BOS or LAX cut down way before I see MIA go. It is (or maybe I don't know I'm not an AA professional) the reason why they are #1 in the Caribbean and have been unchallenged for years.
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't any American 777 be immediately confiscated upon arrival into Tel Aviv, thus preventing AA from starting service there?
Can someone please explain to me why this would be?
Because of TWA, TWA owes pension and severance to its former Tel Aviv emplyees. I have never heard of AA trying to make amends with that group. With Delta and Continental, Israel is wel represented by airlines from teh USA, USairways is flying from PHL to TLV soon.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19): Because of TWA, TWA owes pension and severance to its former Tel Aviv emplyees. I have never heard of AA trying to make amends with that group
TWA had about 100 employees working at TLV for a single daily 767 JFK-TLV-JFK flight. AA was affraid that if the flight didn't work out or became unprofitable and they had to suspend operations' then AA would have had to pay severance to those 100 employees' which would have been around $9mil to $18mil.
Laxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7665 times:
MIA is a hub of AA, and they will NOT leave. Also, they have invested a lot of money into that hub over the past few years. Eg. they bought the gates of Pan-Am and Eastern. AA also uses MIA as a cargo hub because when they carry cargo in from Latin and South America it also goes to MIA, then to its destination. Hope that that helps.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31750 posts, RR: 73 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7503 times:
Quoting Aces727 (Reply 22): To a lesser economic extent, but I believe similar to what happened in TLV, AA would not return to BAQ.
AA did return to BAQ, but it re-entered the market just as fuel was peaking and pulled out quickly. I think they'll return again. AA did pay off millions owed to ex-BAQ employees to return. Similarly, if AA sees a case to return to TLV, they will pay the millions owed. $9-$18M is not a lot of money.
25 American 767: With AA phasing out the A300 soon, we will see only four types of equipment at MIA, until the 787 comes: B737-800, B757-200, B767-300ER (don't know ho
26 MAH4546: A 762 has operated on the route for 10+ years, and there are currently 2x 762 on the route. No reason to assume that will change soon. The MIA-JFK 76
27 RCS763AV: They had to, or they would have had to quit the whole Colombia operation, as the country is not federal so the law was applied, wether they served BA
28 PRINAIR: AA did not purchase any gates. They purchased the routes from Eastern. Gates at Miami are owned by the airport and believe it or not are still assign
29 Jetdeltamsy: What??????????? Remember Pan Am? Pan Am 2? Remember Air Florida? Remember Piedmont Intra-Florida service? They all hubbed at MIA and went bust. i thi
30 MAH4546: So what? MIA was not why they went bust. And Pan Am 2 did not hub at MIA. It's not. It's a strong market, and the only large U.S. airport with a YOY
31 SlcDeltaRUmd11: MIA-SLC but not until the economy turns around. If AA dosnt add it i think DL will restart but AA would be more profitable on the route
32 MAH4546: Well, here's the short term future starting 19NOV09 (some seasonal; changes in bold are new compared to last winter): Bermuda: 5w --> 1x Curacao: 1x -
33 OB1504: Correlation does not imply causation. Pan Am went bust because of the debt incurred after the National acquisition, coupled with an aging fleet, a pu
34 David_itl: I believe it was EA (have vague memories of EA444 having diverted to MAN once)
35 Directorguy: Others have given reasons why these airlines didn't make it, but the fact remains that MIA is extremely lucrative. It's the 3rd busiest US gateway, b
36 DFWEagle: It’s excellent to see AA keep growing in Miami!! Their MIA-Caribbean schedule is looking particularly impressive this winter – AA will be operatin
37 BigGSFO: MIA-SFO sees two 763s/one 757 this winter, upping the yield and capacity.
38 Qantas744ER: Smells like the old AZ who had a nice office with 15 employees in HKG even though PAX ops. ended years ago and this up to a month ago. And a nice ban
39 Jfk777: TWA was famous for having embassies in European cities to support only one or 2 flights daily. Rome was such a place, such a level of personnel was a
40 FuturePilot16: That would actually be equal to AA leaving DFW or DL leaving ATL
41 DFWEagle: Similar situation for ORD-MIA, which will be increased to 4x 763 + 5x 757 (it is currently 9x 757).
42 LipeGIG: Something new... AA downgraded AA950/951 (New York-Sao Paulo-Rio) to B763 for the upcoming winter season ! Seems that the 772 pair will be used on a
43 MAH4546: And Dallas sees the return of a daily 772. Miami is really benefiting from AA reallocating excess aircraft capacity.
44 MIASkies: WOW...seems to me like AA is really focusing a lot on MIA...good to see. Although I still don't see SFO a 4x daily it is nice to see 2 763 and 1 752!
45 MAH4546: Any day (or even hour) now. I'm hearing AA will also announce the return of American Eagle to Gainesville, Florida. We'll have to wait and see, they'
46 AJMIA: No new European service. I thought we might see MXP, BCN or a daylight LHR. AJMIA
47 LAXdude1023: WOW! Did not see that coming for the most profitable flight to Brazil on AA. DFW and MIA to GRU will still be all 777 it seems. I was hoping for MIA-
48 AJMIA: I am not surprised MIA-MAD was downgraded from a 777 to a 767. We were not filling the F cabin. Basically they were just overbooking the J cabin and
49 C010T3: It seems that AA are not liking JJ's GRU-MCO. It doesn't matter if GRU-MCO doesn't make money, it did make AA lose money and they're pissed. 3 daily
50 LAXdude1023: Although not being able to fill an F cabin doesnt stop AA on some routes. DFW-EZE actually does seem to fill up the F cabin with paying passengers in
51 MAH4546: The route was doing quite well on a 772 regardless, so I'm quite surprised. The premium capacity was very much needed, but there has been a drop in p
52 Irishayes: Uhh...you're forgetting yours truly here! I am a loyal DFW fan. We've had some healthy debates on the forums here which I have enjoyed! Does AA have
53 LAXdude1023: HAHA, my bad bro! Yes indeed we have! Its slated for Dec. 17 as of now. However it was already pushed back in the last few days since initially it wa
54 MAH4546: Yes. VVI is even 12w during peak times. MIA-MAD can definitley hack a 772. It will be back, IMO, but premium traffic to Europe is falling everywhere.
55 LAXdude1023: DFW-CDG would see a 777 before DFW-MAD. Theres alot more premium demand to Paris from Dallas than Madrid. I think both are unlikely anytime soon. DFW
56 LAXdude1023: Well, it looks like that 777 is going to JFK-EZE. EZE is going to be an all 777 station for AA.
57 MIASkies: Did I read this correctly? 1 Daily 763 to BDL from MIA? Any chance RDU will get an increase in service? maybe throw in ERJ145 flight?
58 LipeGIG: 772 service to DFW continues so far. But if we look into cargo numbers, 1 772 to DFW carries almost the same as 3 772 to MIA. I don't think cargo is
59 JJ8080: I don't understand why AA is downgrading JGK-GRU-GIG to B763... Even considering they will have 3 red-eyes on MIA-GRU, business travelers (the ones w
60 LAXdude1023: Something thats not likely to change anytime soon. If AA were at all iffy on having a 777 on DFW-GRU, they would have changed it this round. Theyre o
61 MAH4546: They have probably seen a good decline in F traffic on the route this year. U.S.-Brazil yields are nosediving. Even at $2,500, there is zero demand.