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AA Future In Miami  
User currently offlineKrasof From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9565 times:

I've read several posts questioning AA's future in ORD. I will be moving to Miami soon and as a AA fan I wouldn't like them to abandon this gateway. I was wondering how important and strategic is Miami for AA'a future. Thanks

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1672 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9528 times:

I don't know much, but I know this:

-MIA, alongside DFW and ORD are crucial to AA, and no matter how much they are downsized, they will never be abandoned
-MIA is a large market unto itself, and lucrative to any carrier
-MIA is gateway to an extremely large Latin American network. AA's penetration of Latin American markets is unparalleled by any other airline, and is extremely valuable to American.
-There is no other airline with a significant hub at MIA. It's very much a fortress hub for AA.
-MIA is a big oneworld hub


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5069 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9371 times:

AA will abandon MIA:

1. The day AA shuts down.
2. When global warming causes ocean levels to rise enough to devour South Florida.
3. When the world runs out of biofuels without a cost effective replacement.



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Would love to see AA start MIA - TLV or ORD - TLV.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

I think the chances of AA abandoning MIA are equal to CO abandoning EWR.

User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

Anyone care to wager what the next round of Miami expansion might bring?

My guesses (domestically anyways)

Mainline:
Austin
San Antonio
Kansas City

Eagle (ERJs):
Birmingham
Charleston, SC
Greenville/Spartanburg
Pensacola or Mobile

Eagle (AT7s-these are a pair of wild guesses):
Gainesville
Melbourne


User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Over the past few years it seems MIA is the only AA hub that actually is expanding, albiet there has been some reduction in freqs.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25148 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

I cant wait for the construction to finally finish and it becomes easier to navigate the terminal and connect on AA.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9172 times:

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't any American 777 be immediately confiscated upon arrival into Tel Aviv, thus preventing AA from starting service there?


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7569 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9098 times:

MIA will never be abandoned. There might be frequncy cuts here and there, but there will always be a sizable hub. DFW, MIA, and ORD are AA's backbone. Those hubs will NEVER be abandoned.

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
Mainline:
Austin
San Antonio
Kansas City

Ive heard AUS mentioned several times. I think that might be AA's next logical destination from MIA.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9059 times:



Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 5):
Mainline:
Austin
San Antonio
Kansas City

Add:
Seattle
San Diego
Orange County

All doable with the 738s coming online.

Internationally, I could see:
Barcelona
Milan
Frankfurt
Cordoba
Asuncion (as discussed in a separate thread)
Brasilia
Johannesburg (787)
Tokyo (787)

All of these in a better economy of course. But speculating is fun.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7569 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8998 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
All doable with the 738s coming online.

Internationally, I could see:
Barcelona
Milan
Frankfurt
Cordoba
Asuncion (as discussed in a separate thread)
Brasilia
Johannesburg (787)
Tokyo (787)

Barcelona and Milan are pretty much givens before its all said and done. AA wont fly MIA-FRA. I think BSB, ASU, and COR would be great additions. NRT will happen someday and I would love to see JNB come online, though Im not holding my breath on that last one.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

Why are we getting all these "AA's future in XXX" threads all of a sudden?

User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8875 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12):
Why are we getting all these "AA's future in XXX" threads all of a sudden?

because they are fun, and we all like to make believe we are CEO's of some airline.
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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7569 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8838 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12):
Why are we getting all these "AA's future in XXX" threads all of a sudden?

HAHA, the only thread missing is "AA's future at DFW". But since theres only two or three DFW fans this forum, it would pretty much be a 2 way conversation with me and Commavia.  Silly

Another reason is that AA's future at DFW will never be in question so theres no real reason to talk about it.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11434 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8816 times:
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MIA has some of the most profitable international flights for AA and competition in general is minimal which also means good yields. MIA is also an important cargo station for AA.

So... AA future in MIA is to increase it's presence there.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7886 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

I'd see stations like BOS or LAX cut down way before I see MIA go. It is (or maybe I don't know I'm not an AA professional) the reason why they are #1 in the Caribbean and have been unchallenged for years.


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User currently offlineCalramper From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8690 times:



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't any American 777 be immediately confiscated upon arrival into Tel Aviv, thus preventing AA from starting service there?

Can someone please explain to me why this would be?



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8661 times:



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't any American 777 be immediately confiscated upon arrival into Tel Aviv, thus preventing AA from starting service there?

I believe so. Does anyone know why they simply don't honour their financial obligation and draw a line under it?


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8340 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8651 times:
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Quoting Calramper (Reply 17):


Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't any American 777 be immediately confiscated upon arrival into Tel Aviv, thus preventing AA from starting service there?

Can someone please explain to me why this would be?

Because of TWA, TWA owes pension and severance to its former Tel Aviv emplyees. I have never heard of AA trying to make amends with that group. With Delta and Continental, Israel is wel represented by airlines from teh USA, USairways is flying from PHL to TLV soon.


User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8501 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
Because of TWA



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
Because of TWA



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
Because of TWA, TWA owes pension and severance to its former Tel Aviv emplyees. I have never heard of AA trying to make amends with that group

TWA had about 100 employees working at TLV for a single daily 767 JFK-TLV-JFK flight. AA was affraid that if the flight didn't work out or became unprofitable and they had to suspend operations' then AA would have had to pay severance to those 100 employees' which would have been around $9mil to $18mil.


User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8174 times:

MIA is a hub of AA, and they will NOT leave. Also, they have invested a lot of money into that hub over the past few years. Eg. they bought the gates of Pan-Am and Eastern. AA also uses MIA as a cargo hub because when they carry cargo in from Latin and South America it also goes to MIA, then to its destination. Hope that that helps.

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User currently offlineAces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

To a lesser economic extent, but I believe similar to what happened in TLV, AA would not return to BAQ.

User currently offlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8025 times:
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AA finally did return to BAQ...... they just abandoned the route because oif economic reasons....

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8012 times:



Quoting Aces727 (Reply 22):
To a lesser economic extent, but I believe similar to what happened in TLV, AA would not return to BAQ.

AA did return to BAQ, but it re-entered the market just as fuel was peaking and pulled out quickly. I think they'll return again. AA did pay off millions owed to ex-BAQ employees to return. Similarly, if AA sees a case to return to TLV, they will pay the millions owed. $9-$18M is not a lot of money.



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25 American 767 : With AA phasing out the A300 soon, we will see only four types of equipment at MIA, until the 787 comes: B737-800, B757-200, B767-300ER (don't know ho
26 MAH4546 : A 762 has operated on the route for 10+ years, and there are currently 2x 762 on the route. No reason to assume that will change soon. The MIA-JFK 76
27 RCS763AV : They had to, or they would have had to quit the whole Colombia operation, as the country is not federal so the law was applied, wether they served BA
28 PRINAIR : AA did not purchase any gates. They purchased the routes from Eastern. Gates at Miami are owned by the airport and believe it or not are still assign
29 Jetdeltamsy : What??????????? Remember Pan Am? Pan Am 2? Remember Air Florida? Remember Piedmont Intra-Florida service? They all hubbed at MIA and went bust. i thi
30 MAH4546 : So what? MIA was not why they went bust. And Pan Am 2 did not hub at MIA. It's not. It's a strong market, and the only large U.S. airport with a YOY
31 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : MIA-SLC but not until the economy turns around. If AA dosnt add it i think DL will restart but AA would be more profitable on the route
32 MAH4546 : Well, here's the short term future starting 19NOV09 (some seasonal; changes in bold are new compared to last winter): Bermuda: 5w --> 1x Curacao: 1x -
33 OB1504 : Correlation does not imply causation. Pan Am went bust because of the debt incurred after the National acquisition, coupled with an aging fleet, a pu
34 David_itl : I believe it was EA (have vague memories of EA444 having diverted to MAN once)
35 Directorguy : Others have given reasons why these airlines didn't make it, but the fact remains that MIA is extremely lucrative. It's the 3rd busiest US gateway, b
36 DFWEagle : It’s excellent to see AA keep growing in Miami!! Their MIA-Caribbean schedule is looking particularly impressive this winter – AA will be operatin
37 BigGSFO : MIA-SFO sees two 763s/one 757 this winter, upping the yield and capacity.
38 Qantas744ER : Smells like the old AZ who had a nice office with 15 employees in HKG even though PAX ops. ended years ago and this up to a month ago. And a nice ban
39 Jfk777 : TWA was famous for having embassies in European cities to support only one or 2 flights daily. Rome was such a place, such a level of personnel was a
40 FuturePilot16 : That would actually be equal to AA leaving DFW or DL leaving ATL
41 DFWEagle : Similar situation for ORD-MIA, which will be increased to 4x 763 + 5x 757 (it is currently 9x 757).
42 LipeGIG : Something new... AA downgraded AA950/951 (New York-Sao Paulo-Rio) to B763 for the upcoming winter season ! Seems that the 772 pair will be used on a
43 MAH4546 : And Dallas sees the return of a daily 772. Miami is really benefiting from AA reallocating excess aircraft capacity.
44 MIASkies : WOW...seems to me like AA is really focusing a lot on MIA...good to see. Although I still don't see SFO a 4x daily it is nice to see 2 763 and 1 752!
45 MAH4546 : Any day (or even hour) now. I'm hearing AA will also announce the return of American Eagle to Gainesville, Florida. We'll have to wait and see, they'
46 AJMIA : No new European service. I thought we might see MXP, BCN or a daylight LHR. AJMIA
47 LAXdude1023 : WOW! Did not see that coming for the most profitable flight to Brazil on AA. DFW and MIA to GRU will still be all 777 it seems. I was hoping for MIA-
48 AJMIA : I am not surprised MIA-MAD was downgraded from a 777 to a 767. We were not filling the F cabin. Basically they were just overbooking the J cabin and
49 C010T3 : It seems that AA are not liking JJ's GRU-MCO. It doesn't matter if GRU-MCO doesn't make money, it did make AA lose money and they're pissed. 3 daily
50 LAXdude1023 : Although not being able to fill an F cabin doesnt stop AA on some routes. DFW-EZE actually does seem to fill up the F cabin with paying passengers in
51 MAH4546 : The route was doing quite well on a 772 regardless, so I'm quite surprised. The premium capacity was very much needed, but there has been a drop in p
52 Irishayes : Uhh...you're forgetting yours truly here! I am a loyal DFW fan. We've had some healthy debates on the forums here which I have enjoyed! Does AA have
53 LAXdude1023 : HAHA, my bad bro! Yes indeed we have! Its slated for Dec. 17 as of now. However it was already pushed back in the last few days since initially it wa
54 MAH4546 : Yes. VVI is even 12w during peak times. MIA-MAD can definitley hack a 772. It will be back, IMO, but premium traffic to Europe is falling everywhere.
55 LAXdude1023 : DFW-CDG would see a 777 before DFW-MAD. Theres alot more premium demand to Paris from Dallas than Madrid. I think both are unlikely anytime soon. DFW
56 LAXdude1023 : Well, it looks like that 777 is going to JFK-EZE. EZE is going to be an all 777 station for AA.
57 MIASkies : Did I read this correctly? 1 Daily 763 to BDL from MIA? Any chance RDU will get an increase in service? maybe throw in ERJ145 flight?
58 LipeGIG : 772 service to DFW continues so far. But if we look into cargo numbers, 1 772 to DFW carries almost the same as 3 772 to MIA. I don't think cargo is
59 JJ8080 : I don't understand why AA is downgrading JGK-GRU-GIG to B763... Even considering they will have 3 red-eyes on MIA-GRU, business travelers (the ones w
60 LAXdude1023 : Something thats not likely to change anytime soon. If AA were at all iffy on having a 777 on DFW-GRU, they would have changed it this round. Theyre o
61 MAH4546 : They have probably seen a good decline in F traffic on the route this year. U.S.-Brazil yields are nosediving. Even at $2,500, there is zero demand.
62 Airliner777 : Thanks for the list MAH4546!
63 OB1504 : This reminded me: What is AA's last A300 flight currently scheduled to be?
64 LipeGIG : LAXdude, be in mind that CO in fact increase the offer. They use to offer 35C for both GRU and GIG from IAH, with mostly passengers going to GIG. Now
65 Enilria : Good to meet another sane person.
66 Caleeiii : I'll believe it when I see it. This has to be one of the most referenced NON-existant future routes I've read about on this board. AA added then aban
67 LAXdude1023 : Yes of course. From a passenger perspective, this is indeed true. However I was refering to it from a Cargo perspective. On a per flight basis and wi
68 Doug : It looks like about 225 daily flights on November 19
69 LipeGIG : I got you, but as per DOT reports the mostly cargo from IAH goes to GIG (for oil reasons...) and the way back is stronger from Sao Paulo, but it's le
70 Yellowtail : People don't realize this but TPA -MIA is huge for AA....all of it is transfer traffic going to the Caribbean and Latam.....NK has tried to tap this
71 JJ8080 : This really is a surprise for me considering what I saw on the 4 Brazil-USA-Brazil flights I took this year... I wonder why. This could work... They
72 LAXdude1023 : I was just speaking more to the fact of the choice of aircraft since it will limit them to how much cargo they can carry. However from a passenger pe
73 Incitatus : As a consequence of that MVD will see 777 service on American.
74 JJ8080 : Good news for MVD, which also received a couple of days ago JJ's second daily non-stop GRU service...
75 ElmoTheHobo : Seattle yes, but Alaska already operates this route. A second frequency with a late afternoon arrival in Miami and mid afternoon Miami departure woul
76 WA707atMSP : The route went to EA. EA's L-1011-1s did not have the range to fly MIA-LGW. Rather than buy L-1011-500s for the route, EA bought three used DC-10-30s
77 B752OS : People have been saying for quite some time that MIA-SAN is long over due. If this is the case, then why did AA re start BOS-SAN instead of starting
78 LipeGIG : As i mentioned they could use on MIA-GIG The A321 can't fly BSB-MCO non-stop. I doubt even MAO-MCO ! But even changing 1 B764 with 2 B762 you think t
79 MAH4546 : Because Boston-San Diego was re-started to fight Virgin America. As you might know, AA's poor performing Boston-San Diego route is being discontinued
80 C010T3 : Of course not, capacity was created all over the place, MAO, SSA; REC, FOR, CNF...
81 AA777223 : Anyone care to explain all this business a little further? Hey, hey, now! Don't forget me, thank you very much! You knew better than that...
82 LAXdude1023 : Haha, So sorry about that! My bad! I should have known better. Im so sorry that I wasnt clear, I was refering to GRU only. Sorry I keep having to exp
83 AA777223 : It's OK. I forgive you.
84 Jfk777 : United never flew to LGW from Miami or any where else they flew only to LHR, from Miami. when PA resumed London service they had to Gatwick the fligh
85 B752OS : Interesting, so essentially AA used a free 752 to re start a poor performing route only to cancel it again thus not achieving anything. Makes you won
86 Incitatus : Yes it will. Albeit briefly in 2009. Possibly to return in 2010.
87 MoMan : I thought MIA-EZE was the most profitable long haul route in the AA network, with MIA-PLS being the most profitable overall...someone else can cofirm
88 DFWEagle : It won’t stick on JFK-EZE – the 777 is a temporary upgrade for the very high South America travel season. After 10th February, the 777 will go ba
89 MAH4546 : They achieved something by dumping excess capacity in the Boston-California market, which allowed them offer a bulk of lowfares that would be more di
90 MoMan : I'm hoping for a MIA-ELP route, but I'm not holding my breath.
91 BigGSFO : Is there any traffic between the two? I suspect we'd see SAT and AUS well before ELP.
92 JJ8080 : You are right.... So than maybe A320.... However I still think they can do somthing to improve premium demand on GRU-MCO before considering an all-Y
93 MAH4546 : A320 won't work to Orlando. Orlando is very poor yielding and needs a large widebody with a very high-density configuration. Something like 250Y/10C,
94 LAXdude1023 : Yes indeed, but is the market 3 times larger?
95 MAH4546 : The local market, no. But including connections - and GRU is one of the less O&D reliant routes from MIA - maybe so. Though in the end the truth is t
96 JJ8080 : I wonder why, since there must be more F business flyers (financial market) in GRU-JFK than in GRU-MIA. I won't... I'll surely change to JJ or JL. An
97 MAH4546 : No. There is more F demand on MIA-GRU. Not sure why that would come as a surprise to anybody. There might be more finance-industry F demand on JFK-GR
98 LipeGIG : Not so big like that. JFK is for sure the largest O&D F market for AA. To do that even with less demand, sounds a very wrong decision in my view and
99 MAH4546 : You're entitled to your opinion on AA's choice to end F service on JFK-Brazil through at least February. You are wrong, however, that JFK-GRU is a la
100 Aviators99 : That codeshare deal is really weird. If you go to AS to book the flight, it's one price, and it's often twice the price if you book it on AA.
101 Ckfred : Here are two questions about AA in Miami. First, when will the work on the North Terminal/Concourse A be done? Second, when will Concourse E undergo t
102 MAH4546 : May 2011, hopefully. Of course it was supposed to be done by 2003. AA will no longer occupy Concourse E when D is complete.
103 JDAirCEO : Well sorda... EZE-MVD will be a 777 on 19 November - 15 December. Not sure if this is temporary until schedules are changed or hopefully! something t
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