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Rumor Back Again - EL AL 787  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Last year El Al announced the order of 4 77E for delivery between 2012 - 2013. They also mentioned at the press release that they will have an option by December 2008 to convert to 77W.

On Boeing's website, there is still no specification for the engine orderd for the a/c's. El Al currently has RR engines on their 77E, so if the order was finalized with 77E, then the engine of chose would be RR.

Now I am hearing from a few sources that El Al's contact in Boeing was in Israel, and they are possibly discussing a 787 order.
Does anyone know of this?
Will these 77E be converted to 787? or mix 77W/787
or is this a new order?
ANY INFO?

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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5133 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Would the 787 make it nonstop to the US with all cargo and pax? It hasn't flown yet, so we don't know any numbers/ details yet relating to speed, range, fuel consumption

User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5434 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Would the 787 make it nonstop to the US with all cargo and pax? It hasn't flown yet, so we don't know any numbers/ details yet relating to speed, range, fuel consumption

We do know the specification sheets, and according to those, yes the 787 would be able to make it non-stop to the USA with a full load. In fact, the range of the 787-800 exceeds the range of the 777-200ER.

Here are your 787 specs:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-8prod.html


User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

I wonder if the Boeing 787-900 would be able to do a TLV-SYD routing. That would be excellent for improving the LY network as I believe that the demand is there.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

I hope they will order the 787 soon...Their 767s are getting old.
A mix of 77W/787s would be ideal for a 767s/744s replacement



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4795 times:



Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Will these 77E be converted to 787? or mix 77W/787
or is this a new order?
ANY INFO?

There is no question about it that the B767's need to leave the LY fleet as they are very very old. Hence the B787's need to be the replacement for B767's and the possible B77W's the relacement for B744's which could thereadter be converted to Freighters and be used as replacement for the B742's.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4781 times:



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
Hence the B787's need to be the replacement for B767's

If they are as old as you say (I have no idea of their age) can they last in the fleet until 787's would be available for delivery to LY though?


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4650 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
If they are as old as you say (I have no idea of their age) can they last in the fleet until 787's would be available for delivery to LY though?

When looking at LY's fleet philosophy then yes....In case LY would've had a good management they would've gone for Airbus A332's that were offered to them some years ago to replace the B767's with delivery in 2008. As we know this deal never happened so now it's time to wait for the B787 and when looking at the long term LY's fleet policy is not smart as maintenance costs for planes such as the B787 that are over 20 years old are relatively high....Not to forget the B742 Frighters in the LY fleet. Also there they should've replaced them by the latest in 2010 by moving theirs B744's to the fighter fleet and replacing that fleet with B77W's. Unfortunately LY belongs to one of the worst managed airlines in the industy therefore we will never see desisions based on edonomic factors.


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4527 times:



Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 3):
I wonder if the Boeing 787-900 would be able to do a TLV-SYD routing. That would be excellent for improving the LY network as I believe that the demand is there.

El Al had considered flying to Australia but political reasons have thus far prevented this to materialize (or at least to be seriously studied) as Israeli armed guards would not be allowed there.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
by moving theirs B744's to the fighter fleet

I never noticed El Al had a fighter fleet  Big grin ; seems better than Concorde.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
Unfortunately LY belongs to one of the worst managed airlines in the industy therefore we will never see desisions based on edonomic factors.

For once it's not me who will be "attacked" here for daring to criticize the decision making process at El Al.......



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4399 times:



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 8):
For once it's not me who will be "attacked" here for daring to criticize the decision making process at El Al.......

They may not be the best managed airline, but they are not the worst either IMO.
Their fleet isn't so bad: their 737NG fleet is young, like the 777s. The 757s will be phased out soon. The only minus is their 767s, but I am sure they will leave the fleet soonner than what we think...
And I am glad that they didn't order new A330s in 2008, otherwise, the 787 order would be postponed to at least 2020...so, no new nextgen twin for years...



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4194 times:



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 8):

For once it's not me who will be "attacked" here for daring to criticize the decision making process at El Al.......

I stand to my comments and to the fact that Haim Romano and the entire management of LY present and past are a failiure...therefore one of the worst managed airlines in the industry. Nevertheless the only thing LY can really be proud of is the fact that flying with them is almost as safe if not even safer from a terrorism point of view as with Air Force One. Regarding maintenance it looks like LY is not anymore as great as they were but still not bad either.

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 8):

I never noticed El Al had a fighter fleet Big grin ; seems better than Concorde.

Cargo planes I was refering too!


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