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DL 2 EGLL-KJFK Diverted To Kbos  
User currently offlineRefmannc From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 6 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6743 times:
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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Reason: recrew. Musta timed out.

User currently offlineSPDTech64 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6612 times:

This crew did NOTHING that day before operating that flight. Why would they have timed out on such a short flight? So what if they left late? That is NO excuse on a 7hr flight.

Good way to piss off passengers, too.

This could be incorporated under the other going thread entitled "Everything Stupid With The Airlines" in this forum.

[Edited 2009-06-20 20:18:41]

User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6586 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 1):
Reason: recrew. Musta timed out.

Are you sure about that? A crew (or Crew Scheduling) knows whether or not they will time out BEFORE the flight pushes back. Even if headwinds caused the flight time to exceed what they were legally scheduled for, if you are legal to start your trip, you are legal to finish it.

My guess is that it was either a mechanical problem or a sick/intoxicated/unruly passenger that caused the diversion.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1568 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6551 times:

Probably nothing to do with the crew, weather's been messy here in the NY area and JFK's backed up.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6534 times:

Guys. It's crew. Trust me. Why would I just throw some random reason out there for the hell of it? And yes, it was planned.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6497 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 9):
Guys. It's crew. Trust me. Why would I just throw some random reason out there for the hell of it? And yes, it was planned.

Did the plane leave LHR late due to WX at JFK? If that's the case, DL probably figured it was better to run the A/C to BOS then CXL it due to crew rest. Or was it due to a crew disruption, i.e., sick crewmember?

It always amazes me that those without any information think they're more informed than System Ops of the airline.


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6496 times:



Quoting Mav75 (Reply 5):
Even if headwinds caused the flight time to exceed what they were legally scheduled for, if you are legal to start your trip, you are legal to finish it.

You are correct, the crew would not have pushed if not legal to complete the flight.

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 3):
They were late leaving LHR,

Take 2 minutes to check delta.com before flapping your gums. The plane pushed of the gate 12 minutes late. Not nearly a reason to blame crew legality for the diversion.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6465 times:



Quoting Toltommy (Reply 12):
Not nearly a reason to blame crew legality for the diversion.

Which is why I'm leaning, simply from experience as an agent, and working in Ops for 14 months in CLE, that it's some kind of crew disruption.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6378 times:

My curiosity is why they diverted to BOS due to timing out. I know nothing about the landing patterns but you'd think since the distance is so small that it wouldn't take much longer to land in BOS than it would JFK. Flying time is less than half an hour between the two cities not counting takeoff and landing.


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6369 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Which is why I'm leaning, simply from experience as an agent, and working in Ops for 14 months in CLE, that it's some kind of crew disruption.

That is a plausible scenario. If one of the three crew called in sick, they had to fly a route under 8 hours. So they go to BOS, where a second crew meets them to continue to JFK. If this is the case (I really don't know) then kudos to the airline for doing a good job when thrown a curveball.



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User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6318 times:

HAHA - wow some of you guys need to chill out.

Anyone ever find out the real reason? I would usually care less but this seems interesting. JFK is what...30min from BOS?

I doubt a crew time issue would have caused this. It looks like the flight was an hour late from its original departure along with an aircraft change from the planned 767-400 to a 767-300 - this may be due to a mechanical problem with the planned 764 and a 763 was subbed from another route, and the crew may have operated another leg before the LHR-JFK trip, and caused them to time out - I would bet good money this isn't the case but this would have made for a better argument than citing your limited experience in CLE ops or as a VS pax agent like it means anything here.

I still agree with some other issue other than crew timeout - even if you have stronger headwinds than expected, fuel would be more of an issue than crew. Crew have discretion, fuel doesn't.

All that being said, I would say its a weather related diversion and you guys can keep on going about who thinks they know more about something they know nothing about.  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6315 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 16):
wouldn't take much longer to land in BOS than it would JFK.

I'm sorry, I meant it wouldn't take much longer landing in JFK as opposed to BOS.



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6281 times:

Some more info...

This recrew was planned very early today. Long before they left or even filed. Also, this flight had four ship swaps. From 1811, 1817, 1813, to finally 1702.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6181 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
It always amazes me that those without any information think they're more informed than System Ops of the airline.

I concur. Holiday Inn Express must be making money hand-over-fist...  Yeah sure


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9103 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6084 times:
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