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DL Widebody Ground Equipment @ Non Wbdy Aprts  
User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

With stations like FLL, MCO and JAX losing DL widebody service to ATL, something that all the airports saw a lot of....What happens to all the ground loading equiment. Each destination had sometimes 3 or 4 or maybe even more widebodies at a time on the ground. So does Delta leave the pallets and other items at each airport or do they move them to other destinations?


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User currently offlineKristiaanD From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4998 times:
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Normally, airlines distribute the equipment through-out their remaining HUBs. Sometimes as expansion (Because the WB's will be repositioned to another HUB or destination), or as replacement. Or they sell them to other airlines/ground handling company's.

It would be useless and expensive to let them stay behind..



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User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Whatever didn't fit on the last planes out probably gets trucked back to ATL for storage or to whichever other airport might need them.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23225 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4944 times:



Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 2):
Whatever didn't fit on the last planes out probably gets trucked back to ATL for storage or to whichever other airport might need them.

Does it? ORD definitely still has some cans sitting around, and they haven't had widebodies since before the 762s were retired.



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

I know here in FLL Continental keeps a few pallets and containers just sitting around.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4672 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
MCO

A) We already got a daily 763 back! :P DL177 inbound, RONs, DL91 out in the morning. Tonight it was a 764!

B) Since MCO has so many 757s, often times 767s are subbed in. So they need them for backup.

C) At MCO, Delta has ramp contracts for VS, LH, and BA - all widebodies. They've got to have over 15 k-loaders here.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23225 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4427 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 5):
B) Since MCO has so many 757s, often times 767s are subbed in. So they need them for backup.

I think this is a compelling reason to keep widebody equipment around any station that sees several daily 75s (JAX and FLL included). When a 75 flight cancels, putting something larger on the next one is frequently the best way to deal with the throng of passengers. Given that DL's cost to do this is next to nothing, it seems like the potential savings outweighs the cost even if it only happens a few times a year.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Some airlines keep spare equipment at non-widebody airports in case a widebody is diverted there, or for charters.

I've seen UA and AA widebody equipment at the airlines' MSP cargo areas, even though neither airline has scheduled widebodies into MSP in many years, if ever. Both airlines will bring widebodies into MSP occasionally as weather diversions from ORD, or for sports charters.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

When flying CO out of SFO, I notice they do have a few loaders parked between two gates, but CO doesnt fly widebodies into SFO currently, they should truck them back to IAH or LAX Big grin


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User currently offlineN160lh From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

I remember when Delta started downsizing DFW we sent all widebodies out with no voids... God knows for Delta's sake all equipment not being used should find its way to ATL... Back in the day at DFW it was very easy to find equipment... just head to the bone yard and pickup what you needed... However, in ATL... MUCH MUCH MUCH different story... I remember times in ATL I considered selling my soul (no not really) for a string of 4 transporters...

Makes me wonder if DL at DFW even has a container loaders anymore...? Well at least on July 1st it will go back to the way it should always have been... with a Delta controlled ramp!

By the way I have been on airliners.net forums in about a year... Hows it been going...? All the US flagged people still hate Airbus' and everyone else still hate Boeing's..? US carriers still suck compared to European carriers...?

Well its good to be back... -0LH-



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User currently offlineN160lh From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Well to prove its been a while the above post should have the word "not" in it in the last paragraph... Couldn't you use to edit your posts on here...?


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3148 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

BDL comes to mind, they had 763 and 762


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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Can the cargo airlines lend out K-loaders for charters, diversions and what not if there aren't any anywhere else?

User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Within the USA, CO used to have k-loaders at EWR/CLE/IAH/HNL/DEN/LAX/SFO/MSY/MCO/FLL/ORD. Not sure who has what now, but I would wager that, outside of the hubs, HNL, and LAX, there is still WB servicing equipment at SFO/MSY/FLL/MCO. Those stations see the heavies on a slightly more frequent basis (all equipment subs, generally), and I can tell you from experience that a bulk-loaded 767 does not make for a happy ground crew...

User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

I should also note that most airports large enough to handle more than the occasional widebody aircraft have at least one k-loader somewhere on the property, belonging either to a handling agent or an airline. On diversions and irrops, the equipment can be rented or (in the old days) 'borrowed' by the ground crew receiving the aircraft. I've also seen containers offloaded with scissor jacks and forklifts, but that was long ago and far away.

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

What about EWR? They have a 763 operating from EWR-ATL/AMS...


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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

At LAS, there are still a couple of AA 747F Maindeck ULDs lying in the boneyard.
They stopped flying freighters probably 25years ago!



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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

The ATL to TPA, FLL, MCO, JAX 763 service will likely return for the Winter tourist season so I would imagine the equipment will stay. A 764 or two returning during that time wouldn't be completely out of the question.


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

It's expensive to load and transport loaders and equipment, unless they are in good shape the hubs don't want them, it's better just to keep them in the boneyards

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