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Virgin Atlantic Orders 10x A330-300s  
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30934 times:

From the article:

Five of the wide-body aircraft would be delivered in 2011, the other five in 2012, Virgin Atlantic said.

Worth $2.1 billion at list.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...UtilitiesNews/idUSLM71154620090622

edit: official announcement coming...

[Edited 2009-06-22 03:37:45]


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7442 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30867 times:
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When are the 787s due for them? Seems odd for them to have ordered A330 in addtion to the 787.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30841 times:

Finally - this announcement has been on the cards for yrs.

I would guess, although no mention in the announcement, that the deposit on some of the A346's that were deferred went towards these .

They'll suit the airline's medium-haul ops to the East Coast US and Africa (Kenya/Lagos etc)

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30780 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 1):
When are the 787s due for them? Seems odd for them to have ordered A330 in addtion to the 787.

Those are 787-9s and the way Boeing is going they will not be ready for a while.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30687 times:

Any chance they'll back out of the A-380 and additional to the A-346 payments used these deposits for the 330s?


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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30544 times:

Strange timing, the day after Paris closes...perhaps SRB is getting shy and didn't want the publicity Big grin


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7002 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30433 times:

That's so typical of Airbus. Saving up big orders to announce the week after an air show.  Wink

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30430 times:

4 engines 4 long haul

Those A330s are bound to look sharp!


User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30430 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 5):
Strange timing, the day after Paris closes...perhaps SRB is getting shy and didn't want the publicity Big grin

Its today because its Virgin Atlantic's 25th year of service, and having a big party in NYC... probably seemed a cool time to do it.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30399 times:
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Will the A333 replace the A343 or will they be for growth?


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30356 times:

I sure love being right.  Wink How many times did I say that Virgin would opt for the A333? I'm sure that Singapore Airlines also gave Virgin Atlantic a good deal of information regarding the performance of the A333 since its introduction a few months ago.

Congratulation to Airbus and in particular the A333, my personal favorite A330.  Smile

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30318 times:

Airbus press release



Virgin Atlantic Airways commits to ten new Airbus A330 aircraft
A330 adds efficiency and flexibility to fleet

British based Virgin Atlantic Airways, has signed a firm contract to buy six Airbus A330-300 long-range aircraft, and is leasing a further four from AerCap. Fleet renewal with the A330 reflects Virgin’s commitment to replace older aircraft and to invest in the worlds’ most environmentally efficient fleet.

Virgin’s A330-300s can seat up to 270 in Upper Class, Premium Economy and Economy, and introduce revolutionary onboard cabin products and innovations for every passenger. The aircraft will allow Virgin to offer enhanced services between the United Kingdom and the United States and the Caribbean, for the business as well as the leisure traveller.

“The A330s will be a great addition to our modern and fuel efficient fleet and will also add immense operational flexibility as well as offer revolutionary new cabin products. At the same time, the A330s fits with Virgin’s commitment to invest in the worlds’ most environmentally efficient aircraft.” said Steve Ridgway, CEO Virgin Atlantic Airways.

“We are delighted with this very significant commitment to the A330 from one of Airbus’ most valued customers,” said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer Customers. “As well as offering unparalleled reliability, the A330 has the lowest fuel burn per seat making it the most eco-efficient aircraft in its class. We are honoured that a world class carrier like Virgin has chosen a world-class aircraft for its fleet.”

Virgin Atlantic Airways became an Airbus operator in November 1993 with its first A340-300. To date, Virgin operates six A340-300s and 19 A340-600 aircraft. Virgin is also a customer for six A380s.

The twin engine A330 is one of the most widely used wide body aircraft in service today. To date, Airbus has won more than 1,000 orders for the various versions of the aircraft. More than 600 A330s have already been delivered and the aircraft is currently flying with over 70 airlines worldwide.


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30200 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 9):
Will the A333 replace the A343 or will they be for growth?

Maybe a mix, the original plan was to replace A343s with B789s.

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 11):
Airbus press release

Thank u.

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 11):
Virgin’s A330-300s can seat up to 270

!?!? Sounds like a lot for a long-haul A333 eh?



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30137 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 5):
Strange timing, the day after Paris closes...perhaps SRB is getting shy and didn't want the publicity Big grin



Quoting PM (Reply 6):
That's so typical of Airbus. Saving up big orders to announce the week after an air show. Wink

I was also thinking of the same, however, until I read this one....

Quoting NQYGuy (Reply 8):
Its today because its Virgin Atlantic's 25th year of service, and having a big party in NYC... probably seemed a cool time to do it.

Congrats to VS and Airbus.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30099 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 11):
Virgin’s A330-300s can seat up to 270

!?!? Sounds like a lot for a long-haul A333 eh?

Not really. NW seats 298 in their A333s...



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30058 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):
Any chance they'll back out of the A-380 and additional to the A-346 payments used these deposits for the 330s?

The fact that it's 6 new planes from Airbus (and 4 leased from AerCap) screams at me that they're going to quietly cancel the 6 outstanding A346s that they have. No bad thing though as they were never very likely to take these planes so the order has become something that AB will actually get some money for.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):

!?!? Sounds like a lot for a long-haul A333 eh?

Oh it's not that bad - try a Thomas Cook A330 with 375 pax on!


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 30028 times:



Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 11):
Virgin’s A330-300s can seat up to 270 in Upper Class, Premium Economy and Economy,



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
!?!? Sounds like a lot for a long-haul A333 eh?

According to Airbus the A333 seats 295 in a typical layout.
Lufthansa has 221 on theirs, but I think VS will take less space for their P+ and UC then LH does for First and Business.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29971 times:
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so will it be RR or GE engines??? pratt seems a long shot given VS' history.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 6535 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29885 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 6):
That's so typical of Airbus. Saving up big orders to announce the week after an air show.

When has Airbus done this before?


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29703 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 17):
so will it be RR or GE engines??? pratt seems a long shot given VS' history.

Come now, RR of course.  Wink



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29653 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 15):
The fact that it's 6 new planes from Airbus (and 4 leased from AerCap) screams at me that they're going to quietly cancel the 6 outstanding A346s that they have.

Thats what I thought too. Otherwise its odd, why should VS want A330s when they have ordered its nearest rival (which is not yet flying)? Maybe they are even cancelling the 787? If they order 748Is instead Boeing wont be sad.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29599 times:



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 2):
I would guess, although no mention in the announcement, that the deposit on some of the A346's that were deferred went towards these .



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 15):
The fact that it's 6 new planes from Airbus (and 4 leased from AerCap) screams at me that they're going to quietly cancel the 6 outstanding A346s that they have. No bad thing though as they were never very likely to take these planes so the order has become something that AB will actually get some money for.

Then they sell the 6 new A333s to Aercap and lease them back, so essentially get their cash deposit back from Airbus, and have flexibility to retain or get rid of the A333s as B789s arrive and A340s are retired. A clever deal!

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rgin-atlantic-orders-10-a330s.html


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29510 times:

Can't wait to see these in VS colours. PLus a nice little birthday treat for VS as well after SRB was interrogated on BBC breakfast this morning. (If I can find a clip I'll upload ASAP)

User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29425 times:
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Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 5):
Strange timing, the day after Paris closes...perhaps SRB is getting shy and didn't want the publicity 

Also interesting it comes a day after the BA vs VS press that was going around this weekend.

A statement like 'We've just invested $2.1 billion in state of the art aircraft, showing our commitment to our UK business" would have worked well against Willy Walshs' "We've just asked our staff to work for free because we can't afford their salaries".

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1630 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 29423 times:

I'm wondering where these A333's will be based, from the LHR base or LGW/MAN, or a mixture?

MCO, LAS and Carribean flights operate from LGW, so it is possible, reading the press release, that they could all be based there, in which case, is it possible they will be replacing or supplementing the 747's based out of LGW/MAN?

In which case, what happens to the LGW/MAN 747 fleet?


25 Post contains links Sandyb123 : BBC breakfast news article
26 Zeke : Suspect that upper class will finish at door 2 on these aircraft, unlike the 343. Feb 30.
27 Kappel : Does this imply that the a333 were ordered by swapping the remaining a346 orders with the a333 and the a380's are still on order? There is no mention
28 Pellegrine : SRB and some of his crock... 1st class isn't going anywhere, save those carriers who do not want to upgrade to standard and decide to just eliminate
29 Zeke : I suspect that is the case. For Airbus they basically could swap the 340 slot with an A330 slot on the same production line. If the current downturn
30 CHRISBA777ER : Can a new, max MTOW A333 do LGW-LAS? I would say probably not. If it can then these will be headed for LGW but if they arent, then I'd expect these to
31 LipeGIG : Great news! Hope it allow VS to serve the destinations on their wish list, even not with the new A333 but with the availability it may generate on oth
32 Zeke : I didnt notice the annuncement, Kate Moss had my attention. About an hour to far IMHO, the Caribbean would be a nice distance. Or expand into India s
33 CHRISBA777ER : Can an A333 do LHR-BOM non-stop with a full payload? Thats about a ten hour flight isnt it? I'd have thought it would be too far?
34 Astuteman : Would a 238t version make a difference on that route? Rgds
35 Zeke : About the same as SYD-HKG, right sort of distance, around 8.5 hours.
36 VS11 : When are these A333 supposed to enter service?
37 Zeke : Not if they stick with 270 pax, having to cross the very busy north atlantic, I doubt they would get their optimum speeds and altitudes. 10+ hrs in m
38 CHRISBA777ER : Anyway - these will be seriously sexy looking birds. Lets hope they cancel the 787s and stick with the A333s, and replace them in due course with A350
39 Plairbus : Finaly it is not so important if they change the 333 for 346. It is very intresting an by the way good news for Airbus and bad for Boeing that Virgin
40 CHRISBA777ER : Perhaps a re-allignment - replace the 787s on order with 77Ws to replace the 744s and make the A333/350 package their de-facto mid-range widebody. In
41 LipeGIG : Or open their route to Brazil (GIG) !
42 Scouseflyer : Given VS' recent antics they'll probably defer the 787s for ever and order some T7s
43 PM : No, you are spot on!
44 Bongodog1964 : If this order is to replace the A346's , RR will probably be holding deposits for the engines for those. If so it will be RR
45 NA : I could see VS indeed swapping the 787 to 748Is which like the plastic plane also has the newest engine technology and cabin interior (unlike the 77W,
46 CHRISBA777ER : Its the best engine on the A330 anyway - would be a shocker if they went CF6, despite their loads of CF6-powered 744s and CFM-powered A343s. I also t
47 Behramjee : They will be replacing A 343 operated flights to all U.S. East Coast destinations and also are ideal for LHR-DXB operations. The A 333 can also be us
48 Trex8 : that would be nice a 238t A333. what exactly did A do to make the A332 238t, any strengthening or was it all paperwork/software issues?
49 Stitch : Sounds like a good strategy. Replace the A343s on medium-haul missions where the A333 is more efficient to allow the A343s to service long-haul missi
50 Columba : I do hope so as well but with the little difference that they order the 747-8I instead
51 Yellowtail : Flightinternational articles states services to CUN......I guess this would be a new service and is in line with VS telling us here that their immedia
52 EA772LR : Not a chance. The 789 is the perfect replacement for their 343. They can't get the 789s for a while yet, so it only makes sense to retire their oldes
53 Kappel : I'm glad I've gotten a good feel about your comments in the last few years on a.net A bit like LH is doing right now (except for the 789 replacement
54 Zeke : From the Flight Global article, "The airline indicates that it will deploy the aircraft on routes such as Beijing, Vancouver and Cancun." All 3 of th
55 Plairbus : Dear EA772LR, of course there is a chance, a big chance that SRB can and perhaps will cancel the 787. Do not forget that he ordered the 787 also becau
56 CHRISBA777ER : Dont AC have an issue doing Vancouver - London with their RR-powered A333s? I remember reading that the AC birds couldnt do it year round without a l
57 Shankly : Actually, SRB will probably HAVE to go RR so as to avoid the undoubted fallout that would occur in these tough times if he went GE. In saying that, C
58 Behramjee : Definitely the A 333 wont be used for Cancun...yes I was checking BOM-LHR is only 10 minutes shorter flying time than LHR-YVR. Did NW ever use the A
59 EA772LR : How do you know this? Possibly, but VS don't fly anything as small as the 332, and again why order a bunch of 333 when they have 15 firm + 15 options
60 LipeGIG : No doubt, VS for sure can fill the gap for more flights to Rio from UK.
61 Keesje : I guess the destinations will depend on how important cargo is (Asia). I think good cargo capability its one of the things VS likes about the A340-600
62 FRNT787 : These could all be reasons to cancel the 787, but I dont see an outright cancelation happening: --The 787 was ordered by VS after the A350XWB edition
63 Plairbus : EA772LR - I know it because everybody knows it SRB said it a few month ago that they can cancel the 787 and or the 380 because of the delays. - Becaus
64 AirbusA6 : For the pilot, there's a lot more similarity between the A330/340/380 and A350 than between the 744 and 787, so this may be a plus point of the all A
65 Virginblue4 : Great news for both Virgin and Airbus!!!! The A333 will look fantastic in VS colours!!!! Jordan
66 MAH4546 : Pending slot acquisitions, the A330 is a good way to go double-daily to Dulles, Logan and Miami, which I think VS might want to do with AA/BA ATI comi
67 Speedmarque : Yes, like a A343 with two engines?
68 NCB : As Plairbus points out, the Airbus family has a high amount of commonality between aircraft, from software to hardware and overall design philosophy.
69 Frigatebird : This is so unlike you Well, I did expect it from you Sorry to disappoint you guys, but this is what VS have to say about it themselves on their websi
70 Stitch : Well VS doesn't exactly have a globe-spanning route network and the A333 and 787-9 each address different market segments (≤10000km and ≥10000km)
71 Ikramerica : I imagine these are going to be a replacement for the A343 on all but the longest routes. The 789 would supplement the A346s that remain for the longe
72 MSPNWA : First image that came to my mind too! Amazing how an aging aircraft, in aviation time, is now apparently in its prime. What an aircraft.
73 CHRISBA777ER : I think the A350 is a better fit for them - always have. VS are an airline i've always liked and want to see them do well. I just think that eventual
74 Columba : Who knows maybe that is what LH will do, I always said that the 787-9 is a perfect A343 replacement for LH How come ? Keep in mind I do not fancy Air
75 Kimberlyrj : What is the range of the Airbus A330-300X? I have looked at three different sources and all say different things Kimberly Ps. I think the VS A333 will
76 Mutu : And didnt BA place 29 787 and 12 380 order as a small pre big renewal order last year? (and BTW the finance for these puchases is all commited and si
77 By738 : Perhaps would allow more expansion from regions, like an extension of the GLA summer route
78 Astuteman : VS quite clearly stated that the A333's will add capacity until the 789's come. No cancellation here, I suspect. Rgds
79 Stitch : Well if VS wants cargo capacity, as their statement in Reply 69 hints at, then the smallest model of A350XWB they can order is the A350-900XWB if they
80 Rdwootty : sure this will be the new Manchester fleet and also thinner routes from LGW, there is not a lot of freight on CUN
81 PlanesNTrains : Perhaps. Er...until the "next big thing" comes along. While I want to see a VS 789, a 787/350/380 or 787/777/380 fleet seems a little mixed. But then
82 CHRISBA777ER : This is interesting. If we look at the A333 as their short-haul workhorse, then the 789 would be their A343 replacement - VS could use it to forage n
83 Stitch : I don't see why VS would have to toss their A330-300s in favor of either the 787-9 or the A350XWB. The A340-300 is the "weakest link" in their fleet a
84 NCB : It doesn't make sense to me. The A333's get delivered from 2011. If all goes well VS gets its B789's starting 2013. Why would VS need to expand for 2
85 Ncfc99 : Is this the original delivery date or a revised one taking into account the delays and ramp-up changes? I think further up the thread, it was suggest
86 Stitch : 2013 would be the new (projected) delivery date, since the original was 2011.
87 Swallow : The irony is that airlines are using compensation payments for 787 delays to buy 330s.
88 FRNT787 : I doubt that airlines are having second thoughts merely due to marketing. I see ads for Toyota 4-Runners all the time, but I am happy with my Nissan
89 Lightsaber : I'm very curious to see those numbers. Noting the timeframe, VS will receive airframes with all of the planned upgrades (namely, Trent 700 fuel burn
90 Post contains links Stitch : Well Reuters is now reporting VS is now looking at up to 50 Airbus aircraft, including the A350XWB. So maybe they will scrap their 787-9 order and ins
91 Bennett123 : I know that the A340-600's are technically deferred, but are there any still on order?.
92 Frigatebird : Hey, I added the smiley But yeah, I should've quoted your whole post, and thought I did. My bad. We're both rooting for the 748i, but unfortunately i
93 PlanesNTrains : Stranger things have happened, and the 350 is certainly a great package for a lot of carriers. Having said that, does it seem likely that they will o
94 Stitch : VS is "small" enough that two models - the A350-900XWB and A350-1000XWB - could likely perform all the missions they want to fly. So 25 of the -900 an
95 PlanesNTrains : I think that the 350 lineup is very compelling. I wish the 787-10 would surface so that we could have a more competitive landscape for these carriers
96 Post contains links Scipio : LONDON, June 22 (Reuters) - Virgin Atlantic [VA.UL] is in talks with European planemaker Airbus (EAD.PA) to buy 50 A350 aircraft from 2014, a company
97 Scouseflyer : If this comes off then Wow! that's a lot of planes as they're keeping the 787s too! PS I bet if they get these, they'll cancel the A380
98 EA772LR : Really? I knew GE were having problems with their 72K CF6-80E1A3 correct? But I thought they had addressed that. So what is the max certified thrust
99 Racko : I guess if they really go for 50 A350s we can wave both the 787 and the A380 Good Bye as far as VS is concerned.
100 Scbriml : It makes lots of sense if you remember their outstanding Airbus orders for A380s and A346s. I, and plenty of others in this thread, expect the 6 x A3
101 Lightsaber : Its fuel burn. RR and Pratt are in a different league today. GE could be brought up to par... but has been the #3 engine on the A330 for a reason...
102 Kimberlyrj : I guess as VS B744's have GE and A346 have RR it will be a close run, but, every other airline in the UK that flies the Airbus A330 uses RR engines -
103 NCB : That makes more sense, now. I do hope Boeing comes up with an answer very soon, so we can assist to very competitive market developments. I think tha
104 PM : So what will Turkish do for their two new high MTOW A332s?
105 Gvroy : Long live the 747 400 who wants to fly across the pond in a twin jet airbus. I always do the VS043 from London Gatwick to Las Vegas on the 747 400 u j
106 Lightsaber : Good question. While the extra MTOW isn't completely thrown away, its a tough choice for them. Two birds alone... you might have found *one* of the f
107 Kleiner : Also remember BMI is airbus heavy. If VS snags shorthaul from BMI, it's just another reason for an all airbus fleet. I agree, the VX order shows loyal
108 Behramjee : Yes GIG and IAH are both ideal routes to be launched with an A 343 initially. However, BKK if launched should be done so with an A 346 and it should
109 Post contains links Asiaflyer : AerCap already had 4 unallocated A330 on order from Airbus, that they will lease to VS now. These are the last 4 remaining A330 from AerCaps order fo
110 Astuteman : I have to ask why it seems GE and P+W are struggling to get higher outputs out of the A330's engines, whilst RR (from the outside) appear to be strol
111 Captaink : But more expensive. The A330 is perfect for the job he has in mind. Anyway the A330 is pretty bird. I prefer it to those ugly 340s he has flying arou
112 PM : You're an engineer. I'm certainly not so I hesitate to answer but... RR would tell you it's because the Trent 700 was designed specifically for the A
113 Post contains links and images Keesje : I wonder what will replace the fully loaded A340-600s on long, high & hot Asian destinations. Will the A350-1000 have similar cargo payload taking of
114 Burkhard : Nothing so soon. Either A380s or B748 if the capacity is needed in a decade.
115 Scouseflyer : Possibly but whilst they are a reasonably small airline overall remember that they are widebody only so the lack of dozens of narrow bodies make them
116 Post contains links PM : Read the small print from the Airbus press release. Virgin Atlantic Airways became an Airbus operator in November 1993 with its first A340-300. To da
117 Parapente : As so many people have said.If all the reports are true then there is very little chance that either the 787 or the 380 will be ordered.The 787 can be
118 Post contains links Ivo : The lease is for 12 Years http://www.aercap.com/press/AerCap%2...%20Atlantic%20A330%20June%2009.htm Ivo
119 BoeingVista : Another is SRB's favourite hobby of kicking BA (even more fun now that the're down) he can hardly continue to do that if he buys yank or canadian eng
120 CHRISBA777ER : No of course not, but i am just wondering how cost effective a split fleet of 789 and A3459/10 and A388 would be, if you are talking a fleet of less
121 ZK-NBT : Good to see an order in these times. While it is a good time to order new aircraft very few airlines have done it this year particularly widebodies. N
122 PM : Just which "canadian" engines are available on the A330?
123 Columba : The question is if this is really an order or a change of an already existing order. VS must have made a decision on how to deal with the A346s on or
124 Tropical : A great many people, it seems. Is your objection related to the number of engines on the aircraft, or the manufacturer? If the former then surely you
125 EA772LR : So why doesn't PW make the necessary changes to have a 73K engine? How much thrust with the current fan size is the PW4000-100 capable of now? 75K+?
126 Trex8 : funny but I awoke from my postprandial nap the other night with C Span on the TV and SRB talking at the National Press Club in Washington just last w
127 Astuteman : I don't think VS are actually in the same position regarding the A380, as they deferred delivery voluntarily early on (remember the "de-facto" cancel
128 Parapente : Fair point Astuteman. But my position stands. To economically fly - throughout the year - a plane of this size, you need a rock solid clientelle. Now
129 Stitch : I do not think the question is "can the A380 work for VS?" but more "is the A380 the best option for VS?" Personally, I have some doubts, but I'm not
130 Kappel : That's not a good comparison IMHO. THe 744 had it's EIS 20 years ago. There are more modern and efficient jets available now (77W and a380). The 744
131 Tofen : If this is, which seems likely, a right of swap for A333s instead of A346. Then we could probably assume that they will get RR engines, since RR was t
132 Astuteman : The 744 hasn't been selling because planes like the A346 and 773ER can generate similar levels of revenue for much lower cost. To be honest, I see th
133 Parapente : Personally I love the 380 but its going to be a struggle I think.Just look at the arguement on the China Airline/380 thread - not enough pax for the r
134 Zeke : The GEnx for the 747-8 would fit nicely under the wing of the A330/A330F/KC-30.
135 Trex8 : what sort of costs are involved in certifying a totally new engine like the GEnx on an established airframe, a hundred million US $, several hundred?
136 A342 : Note that only the A332 is slated to get the 238t MTOW (YET). The A333 is still limited to 233t.
137 PM : Looks like you were right. Turkish have switched to RR for their two new A332s plus their five new A333s = seven.
138 Ikramerica : LAX is not hot, high, or Asian. And from LAX-LHR is eastbound, with tail winds, and under 5000nm. I don't think VS needs to worry about full payload
139 Zeke : The actual certification would not be that expensive at all, it would be around 50 hrs of flight testing on the A330. The design on the other hand, t
140 JerseyFlyer : And if they do need something B789 size to experiment in new markets and for thin routes, they can easily take a few A358s in the mix of 50.
141 JohnMKE : They won't need to replace the midwest flights. From what i'm told Virgin will be pulling out of ORD by September 12.
142 Ikramerica : There would be ETOPS proving, far more than 50 hours. Did you mean to write 500 and forgot a zero?
143 DocLightning : Yes. And thanks to prevailing winds, it can probably go back, even on a hot day. Well, the Trent 500's on the A346 are very similar to the Trent 700'
144 Ikramerica : Exactly. The A346,A343 and/or 744 will be like the 752 for some airlines now. Taken off of shorter routes they once served, and only used on routes w
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