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AS Announces SJC-AUS  
User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

Alaska this morning anounced in the foloowing press release http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom...s/asstories/AS_20090622_093644.asp that they will be adding SJC-AUS with 1 daily flight beginning Aug 3rd. The flight will be operated by a 737-800 aircraft with the plane starting in PDX. 1 QX PDX-SJC flight will be replaced with mainline Alaska. Looks like we moved in after AA is going to leave the route. Didn't see this one coming.
Blue

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

LOL, that didn't take long! I had a hunch someone would step in. Any possibility AA will codeshare on it?

Very interesting!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6875 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
Any possibility AA will codeshare on it?

I was just about to say that I'm almost certain AA codeshare on this...I don't see why they wouldn't.


User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6877 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
LOL, that didn't take long! I had a hunch someone would step in. Any possibility AA will codeshare on it?

Very interesting!

Looks like no as of now. Just tried to book a flight on AA and the new AS flights does not show. We shall see though.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

The press release says Sept 2 is the start date, not August 3.


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6765 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 4):
The press release says Sept 2 is the start date, not August 3.

Sorry about that. I guess I read it too quickly. Aug 3rd is the start of SEA-AUS. I will try to edit the original post.

Looks like I have no option to modify the original post. Can the Mods make the change?

[Edited 2009-06-22 10:22:03]

User currently offlineIrishayes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2183 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6562 times:

Is this really a smart move? I mean, I guess the PDX tag-on is smart, but frankly AA's departure should've sent out some kind of message that the nerd-bird route doesn't provide the yields necessary to sustain it...although, maybe AS is better positioned to have a shot at the market. Will be interesting to see, although I'm skeptical.


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6519 times:
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It sounds like an effort to keep WN out of the market for now. For those who travel PDX-SJC, this is probably a welcomed turn of events. One could work a full day in San Jose and fly mainline RT.

Good to see AS expanding a little more.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6343 times:



Quoting Irishayes (Reply 6):
but frankly AA's departure should've sent out some kind of message that the nerd-bird route doesn't provide the yields necessary to sustain it..

I think they key here is the nerd-bird does not provide the yields necessary with AA's COST STRUCTURE to sustain it. It will be interesting to see if AS can make this work...i figured someone would jump in here, I just assumed it would be B9 or WN.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6197 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
It sounds like an effort to keep WN out of the market for now. For those who travel PDX-SJC, this is probably a welcomed turn of events. One could work a full day in San Jose and fly mainline RT.

I was thinking the same thing, move fast before WN or someone else takes the route.

Hopefully it is profitable for AS.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Will these flights be operated by a 734 or a 73G? I don't see AS putting a 738 on these routes....


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User currently offlineCO1787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

We'll find out Thursday for sure when they release the timetable.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6128 times:



Quoting CO1787 (Reply 11):
We'll find out Thursday for sure when they release the timetable.



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
Will these flights be operated by a 734 or a 73G? I don't see AS putting a 738 on these routes....

As the OP mentioned, it is a 738.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6111 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
As the OP mentioned, it is a 738.

Ah, I missed that. The links were totally 'hiding' that.... but.... I am disappointed that they elected a 738 on the route than the 73G. I really love the 73G a lot. But there is a reason why AA originally dropped the route, low crappy yields and didn't make money. IIRC, AA had a M80 on the route. (Correct me if I am wrong...) I think the 73G would be much beneficial than the 738.

Besides, where is AS going to find the planes to do this??



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6079 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
I think the 73G would be much beneficial than the 738.

I think that the route is too short to use any of the range advantage of a 737-700, and it might also be a rotation issue if the flight originates in PDX. I don't think they have many -700's relative to the -800's, so it probably is -800 by default.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Besides, where is AS going to find the planes to do this??

Under their pillow?  Smile Seriously, if they are replacing a QX flight PDX-SJC, perhaps they will be bumping another AS flight as well and will simply swap the aircraft or something. I don't know about any further -800 deliveries, but that might also be an answer.

if nothing else, I suppose the simply answer is "somewhere".

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

I had a similar hunch that either AS, B6 (unlikely, given their small SJC ops) or WN would probably fill the void on this now established route.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6040 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
I think that the route is too short to use any of the range advantage of a 737-700

I respectfully disagree. When AS started up the ANC-ORD route in 1999, it was on a 73G without the winglets. And it did real well. If the 73G can do that, then it can do the PDX-SJC and SJC-AUS.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
I don't think they have many -700's relative to the -800's, so it probably is -800 by default.

The 738's now outnumber the 73G at AS.



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User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6028 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
I think the 73G would be much beneficial than the 738.

If the yield sucked, then more capacity at lower fares makes sense, does it not? The cost to operate a 738 is nearly identical to that of a 73G, so if you've got the plane, it would be foolish not to use it. I think the -800 was a much wiser choice.

Per the AS press release, the timetable is as follows:

Depart SJC 8:55 a.m.
Arrive AUS 2:15 p.m.

Depart AUS 3:00 p.m.
Arrive SJC 4:40 p.m.

All times local.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6011 times:



Quoting Panam330 (Reply 17):
The cost to operate a 738 is nearly identical to that of a 73G, so if you've got the plane, it would be foolish not to use it. I think the -800 was a much wiser choice.

We will see. If AS cannot put butts in seats on the 738, you can bet it will get a downgrade to a 73G sooner if not later. I think that will happen...... eventually. Again, we will see how the yields are....

Again, there is a reason why AA originally dropped the routes.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5998 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
I respectfully disagree. When AS started up the ANC-ORD route in 1999, it was on a 73G without the winglets. And it did real well. If the 73G can do that, then it can do the PDX-SJC and SJC-AUS.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but my point was that the minority -700's might be needed on some other routes where their greater performance (i.e. take offs, range) might be preferred. I'm just guessing, though.

In regards to their selection, obviously they chose the -800 for this route for a reason. It might be aircraft rotation, capabilities (which might be related to the needs of the -700's capabilities elsewhere in the system), capacity vis a vis the revenue mix, availability, etc. While the -700 is more than capable of handling this route (or just about any in the AS system I suppose), there must be a reason that they are using the -800.

As you say, the -800's now outnumber the -700's, so there are going to be routes that could use less actual capacity or capability, but ultimately that's all there is to choose from.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Is AA dropping this to fund MD-80 retirements? If so we can expect some profitable AA routes to be dropped


I dont think AA pilots will let AA codeshare on this AS flight, bit I dont know. They certainly will be angry.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Again, there is a reason why AA originally dropped the routes.

See above


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5822 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 20):
Is AA dropping this to fund MD-80 retirements?

No. MD80s are being replaced nearly 1:1 with new 738s.



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User currently offlineBayAreaBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5775 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Besides, where is AS going to find the planes to do this??

For a Monday during the busy summer schedule and with a few A/C in heavy check, there were 7 spares for today. The planes are there. Why not throw one out there on a route that could make money.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5755 times:



Quoting BayAreaBlue (Reply 22):
there were 7 spares for today.

I didn't know that. I don't work for AS anymore (which all of you know...) but where are these spares based now?

I remember when I was there 10 years ago, we had 2 in ANC, 2 in SEA and 2 in OAK and 1 in LAX, IIRC.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

Once again, AA's uncompetitive labor and other costs catching up with them, and forcing them to retreat from markets that other airlines can profitably serve.

Sad.


25 MAH4546 : AA's unions don't have any say. AA and AS have blanket codesharing. Hopefully we do see a codeshare on this flight. A good reminder to AA's greedy un
26 Wedgetail737 : AS just took delivery of a pair of 738's last week.
27 Commavia : I'm not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with you on these points - though I of course do have my own opinions. But, whether I or anyone else agre
28 BayAreaBlue : Depends....usually SEA & ANC with PDX and LAX sometimes having some. Actually, just one 738 last week, N528AS. N527AS was delivered in May.
29 Jamake1 : I support unionism and believe there is a place for it in the airline industry. As a casual observer however, I think that AA's labor groups are compl
30 CGKings317 : This new route by AS is certainly an interesting route choice. Definitely outside-the-box thinking occurred here. As a PDXer, I am thrilled that AS is
31 SANFan : Good for AS! It's a surprise to me but I'm in favor of any major carrier coming in and cleaning up after AA cuts-and-runs! (I hope it happens on other
32 ASFlyer : I agree with everything you say here. The only thing that I can imagine is that AA employees are tired of being screwed. They gave major concessions
33 CGKings317 : Why when SEA would already have nonstop SEA-AUS by then? With the PDX-SJC-AUS route, it gives (1) PDX-SJC a mainline frequency and (2) an option to f
34 Nomorerjs : Maybe PDX to ORD is on the horizon (but on AS metal).
35 GayStudPilot : Sadly, I believe a lot of corporate America employees feel similar, not just airline employees. Executive compensation is out of control and in a lot
36 UAL757 : I hope, easier upgrade chances out of PDX
37 Wedgetail737 : I got a photo of N528AS coming alive at RTN for its flight over the hill to Boeing Field.
38 AirframeAS : Lets see! Is it worthy to post the pic here?
39 Wedgetail737 : One other thing...is it possible that AS is holding onto some of the airplanes they were planning on returning to lessors this year to accommodate the
40 SJC4Me : I don't know how or when, but I'm going to try to fly this route at least once for sure!
41 Brons2 : Awesome news for those of us who live in AUS, we were lamenting the loss of the Nerd Bird. And the tag to PDX makes it even sweeter for me as I am fro
42 Gmcc : From what I can see on AA website you should be able to earn miles on the AS flight even if it is not a codeshare.
43 Brons2 : Another route that AA had good demand on but was not able to get enough yield on. AS will do better due to the connection opportunities in SEA.
44 Wedgetail737 : I tried but it was rejected. I hope there will be enough traffic to warrant a 2nd RT SEA-AUS.
45 BayAreaBlue : Nope. The aircraft are just spares as was mentioned earlier that are sitting around due to the shift in schedules to meet market demands.
46 AirframeAS : I meant to post it here on the thread, silly!
47 Post contains images Wedgetail737 : I never done this before...let me try it.
48 Jr : add to that delta skymiles and continental one pass miles. This may not be that bad a move for AS. They might be able to tap into the loyal fliers of
49 AirframeAS : Looks beautiful!
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