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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Just looking at the BA route map to Central and South America shows they are pretty weak, only serving GIG and GRU non-stop. I am curious then, where do they funnel most of their traffic to the region?


Is there a reason why they don't serve SCL, EZE (non-stop), BOG, LIM, ASU, etc.?

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

They probably route a significant amount of Latin American traffic via oneworld partner IB. IB IIRC is the leading airline between Europe and Latin America.

Do they have a code or revenue share agreement between London/UK and LatAm?


User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

Its funnelled thru MAD on Iberia

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12325 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Yes, they used to have a considerably bigger network, which included CCS and SCL (although I don't think they ever served Ecuador), after they acquired British Caledonian, which had a strong presence in South America.

Now, as said above, they try to funnel traffic through MAD. That is, apart from passengers who have actually flown Iberia previously. They know to go elsewhere ...

Anywhere else.


User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Or through MIA on AA. and LAN The 2x daily LHR MIA flights have a decent feed into A

2 strong options with IB and AA

But frankly UK traffic to South America is not (so far) one of the major aviation markets (consider if it was lucrative but BA just dont have the slots or frames to ply it, VS would be in there like a shot)

There really isnt any volume of flights from south american carriers flying to UK either, no historical ties

Caribbean markets are a different story of course with heavy year round demand ex UK and both BA and VS with multiple daily service

I would imagine a smaller frame with the range could see some addiitonal south american destinations open up so long as the profit contribution was better than anything derived from the rotation sacrificed to operate them


User currently offlineCityofAthens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8355 times:

SCL traffic is sent to GRU or EZE to connect onto OW partner LAN (or IB via MAD).

SCL was removed from the network due to demand that could be managed via codeshares. EZE non-stop was removed after the market crash in that country a few years ago; the route is doing well via GRU, and was upgraded to daily recently.

CCS and BOG were removed as BA was unable to generate the profit targets set for these cities.

Arrival of new aircraft and lower costs may see the airline re-examine its commitment to the region.


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8067 times:

Regarding GIG, it seems to be performing quite well. They are actually considering additional frequencies and eventually aircraft type upgrade (B744), however I think a B744 should only come ofter daily B772 service is well established..

Also, with the good loads registered on EZE (through GRU), I won't be surprised if this become their next non-stop destination in LatAm with 3-class B772...



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7808 times:
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BA also serves Mexico City nonstop from LHR. I don't see CCS or BOG soon, EZE would be the obvious missing link in BA's route map to South America.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7779 times:



Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
only serving GIG and GRU non-stop

In fact only GRU gets daily nonstop red-eye flights.

BA still has very poor schedule in GIG with 3 weekly flights one leg operating daylight. As mentioned above, performance allowing, BA should upgrade GIG to better schedule and perhaps we could also see EZE getting nonstop flights.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
BA also serves Mexico City nonstop from LHR

Same as GIG, only 4 weekly and with poor daylight schedule.

Rgs,


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7693 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
BA also serves Mexico City nonstop from LHR.

Yes, MEX is the other LatAm destination of BA. The opening post was a bit confusing because even though the thread is "BA and Latin America", the contents of the o.p. referred to "Central and South America" specifically and, well, Mexico is in neither.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
with poor daylight schedule.

Well, not sure if it is a poor schedule. As far as I remember (flew BA to Europe in 2006), the MEX-LHR flight is during the night, like most MEX-Europe services, and the LHR-MEX flight is during the day to take advantage of the time zone difference, so you leave LHR around noon or so and land at MEX in the middle of the afternoon... that works quite well for me I think.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Didn't BA once serve LIM too?


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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

the Any chance to of BA coming back to BOG or AV taking over the route ? even tough AV fleet will have a lot of restrictions to LHR with the 767 or330 ?

User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7616 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
Same as GIG, only 4 weekly and with poor daylight schedule.

Yes a night sector to and from GIG would be better but the route is doing very well with it's current day flight out and night flight back. Also 2 night sectors would be a complete waste of money as the aircraft would be sat on the ground over 14 hours doing nothing. In that time the aircraft could be back in LON and ready to operate to another destanation.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
As mentioned above, performance allowing, BA should upgrade GIG to better schedule and perhaps we could also see EZE getting nonstop flights.

It is worth remembering BA has traffic rights GRU/EZE. They can pick up over 100 pax for the GRU/EZE sector alone. Which brings in alot of extra revenue. BA will only add direct EZE flights if operating direct two seperate flight to GRU and EZE if they would be more profitable than the current 1 aircraft operating LHR/GRU/EZE.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7555 times:
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What i imagine is that with more than 190,000 passengers
going to Caribbean Area, i do believe South America can receive another 20,000/30,000 a month, and nowadays can't do that because of the lack of flights.

Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
Just looking at the BA route map to Central and South America shows they are pretty weak, only serving GIG and GRU non-stop. I am curious then, where do they funnel most of their traffic to the region?

This has been discussed in the past, BA does not look so strong for Latin America because UK investment in area isn't so big as it use to be in the past. However, there's a significant amount of VFR, business is improving recently with insurance and reinsurance companies installing in Brazil, and the oil business is currently bringing so many UK citizens to Brazil for example, that UK become the largest country in terms of qualified workers visa issued in Brazil last year. It's expected by me that only in Rio area, there's more than 15,000 british citizens and family members working just on oil industry.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
Do they have a code or revenue share agreement between London/UK and LatAm?

BA is an OneWorld member, they could take advantage of LP hub in LIM for example to better reach SCL, VVI, ASU and others.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 12):
Yes a night sector to and from GIG would be better but the route is doing very well with it's current day flight out and night flight back.

Do not surprised me at all. I expect BA to increase the flights in the near future to 5x weekly (at least 4x) or they will see VS coming soon. There's demand for a daily service in Rio, and as expected, GIG-LHR response has been great:

March 07 - 3363 pax (no non-stop)
March 08 - 3660 pax (no non-stop)
March 09 - 6217 pax (non-stop) (+70%)
(it's more less 255 passengers each way, each operation)

In the other hand, EZE is also growing, from 6720 in 2007, to 6864 in 2008 and now 9422 (151 passengers each direction, each operation)
Sao Paulo has 357 passengers each direction, can't say how many with BA and how many with JJ
* Data from CAA-UK



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7430 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
Didn't BA once serve LIM too?

It was British Caledonian the one flying LGW (?) - LIM via SJU or CCS (?).
I don't recall BA in LIM.
BA did fly to PTY and SJO: flights to PTY were thrice weekly one or two stops via BDA/NAS/KIN, last time they flew to PTY it was twice weekly with L1011, the plane would R.O.N. here, flights to SJO were once weekly via SJU, and that flight happened after they had left PTY.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7407 times:



Quoting Mutu (Reply 4):
But frankly UK traffic to South America is not (so far) one of the major aviation markets (consider if it was lucrative but BA just dont have the slots or frames to ply it, VS would be in there like a shot)

There really isnt any volume of flights from South Smerican carriers flying to UK either, no historical ties

BA doesn't even fly daily to MEX. I think they're the only major European carrier serving MEX without daily service which must negatively impact their high yield business traffic. I believe the UK-Mexico bilateral is quite restrictive.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7304 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
Well, not sure if it is a poor schedule. As far as I remember (flew BA to Europe in 2006), the MEX-LHR flight is during the night, like most MEX-Europe services, and the LHR-MEX flight is during the day to take advantage of the time zone difference

Eddie, 4 weekly and daylight leg is poor schedule if you compare to AF or LH for example. GIG also suffers from even poorer schedule as aircraft is smaller B772 (no F cabin) and only 3 x week. EZE pax need to endure a stop-over in GRU. As a reult, the only route BA really operates with prime schedule is GRU - nonstop and daily B747.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
I expect BA to increase the flights in the near future to 5x weekly (at least 4x) or they will see VS coming soon. There's demand for a daily service in Rio

Lets hope BA improves its service in GIG, the 3 weekly flight schedule is really poor but still BA manages a good performance. Imagine if service was red eye.

I would also think VS is planning to fly to Brazil, this is long overdue.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7220 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
Lets hope BA improves its service in GIG, the 3 weekly flight schedule is really poor but still BA manages a good performance. Imagine if service was red eye.

For sure the 772 wouldn't be enough.
Thursday flight LHR-GIG shows just 6 seats available... for a promotional fare: GBP 4,398 even on Economy....
That's for sure the low yield people use to say about Rio.



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7145 times:



Quoting CityofAthens (Reply 5):
SCL was removed from the network due to demand that could be managed via codeshares. EZE non-stop was removed after the market crash in that country a few years ago; the route is doing well via GRU, and was upgraded to daily recently.

It's funny how both the 2001 market crash and the "lack of historical" ties are cited as reasons for BA's lacklustre presence at EZE. Since the market crash, Argentina enjoyed an unprecedented tourism boom (both low and high-yielding) and after it was obvious that the country wasn't going to hell, ie. by 2004, most European carriers either upped their frequencies to EZE or reinstated non-stops, or both. The only permanent departures were KL and LX, though the former ended services before the crash (and route hadn't been performing well anyway) and LX as part of its restructuring.

Whatever BA's reasons, most of their customers deffected to other carriers who offer better schedules (no one likes to remain on the same aircraft for up to 16 hours), better service (eg. AF, JJ) lower fares and less worn-out aircraft. Surely at the very least a 4 x weekly non-stop 772 to EZE would have worked these past few years, and based on its performance BA could instead be reviewing whether to go daily or upgrading equipment by now.

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User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7127 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
I would also think VS is planning to fly to Brazil, this is long overdue.

This would be nice... And considering BA is about to upgrade it's service, JJ could end up dead on GIG-LHR market if both BA and VS take care of it first...



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7121 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
BA doesn't even fly daily to MEX. I think they're the only major European carrier serving MEX without daily service which must negatively impact their high yield business traffic. I believe the UK-Mexico bilateral is quite restrictive.

Yes, it is the only European carrier flying less than daily. IB, LH and KL are flying daily (IB went down from 12x weekly to 7 because of the slowdown and the flu). AF does 11x weekly I think.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
Eddie, 4 weekly and daylight leg is poor schedule if you compare to AF or LH for example.

Yes, the 4 weekly schedule is bad for business travelers, but at least MX is flying now to LGW a few days per week with a BA codeshare, so in the end, between the two partners they will have all or almost all of the days of the week covered. It is not ideal considering it is different airlines (one very famous in Europe and one unknown) and different airports, I know, but it is better than nothing.

As for the LHR-MEX flight being daytime, I don't think that's a bad thing at all. It would be a waste of resources for BA to fly its 744 to MEX and have it parked 12 hours or so before it could go back to London. As I said, it is standard for MEX-Europe flights to be nighttime on the MEX-Europe leg and daytime on the Europe-MEX leg. Only IB had a nighttime MAD-MEX leg but it was daytime for the return MEX-MAD, which was not optimal. Plus, keep in mind that as opposed to GRU/GIG/EZE, MEX is 6 hours behind London and 7 hours behind most of continental Europe, so if you leave Europe at noon or around noon, you are in MEX at around 5 pm, which is quite nice. I would hate to leave Europe at midnight and be in Mexico at 5 or 6 a.m.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7121 times:



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 18):
Whatever BA's reasons, most of their customers deffected to other carriers who offer better schedules (no one likes to remain on the same aircraft for up to 16 hours), better service (eg. AF, JJ) lower fares and less worn-out aircraft. Surely at the very least a 4 x weekly non-stop 772 to EZE would have worked these past few years, and based on its performance BA could instead be reviewing whether to go daily or upgrading equipment by now

I entirely agree with you. BA presence in EZE has been minimal and relegated to selling the GRU-EZE leg. This is really a waste as BA does promotion after promotion on the GRU-EZE leg. You can hardly compete on this route with a single daily flight while TAM, GOL and AR offer multitude of schedule. Even LH axed the GRU-EZE leg in favour of dedicated EZE service, while AF and LH offer high yielding configuration nonstop to EZE.

I agree that EZE needs nonstop BA service and this is long overdue. I am sure many pax migrated to AF, TAM, and dont forget LH (!), no doubt about it.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
For sure the 772 wouldn't be enough.
Thursday flight LHR-GIG shows just 6 seats available... for a promotional fare: GBP 4,398 even on Economy....
That's for sure the low yield people use to say about Rio.

AF is an example of the high yields available in GIG. Lets hope BA has different eyes to South America now that its North American network is performing so poorly. BA surely has aircraft available after downgrading so many routes. Perhaps we could see GIG upgraded, EZE nonstop, and GRU dedicated.

Rgs,


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7101 times:



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 19):
This would be nice... And considering BA is about to upgrade it's service,

Are they really upgrade it how??...


User currently offlineJJ8080 From Brazil, joined Aug 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7086 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
relegated to selling the GRU-EZE leg

This is a very important point... You are complety right, BA makes no effort at all in order to sell the complete trip from LHR to EZE or the other way around... I even if they did, they'd only be able to compete with AF and LH for O&D passengers since connectors would face 2 stops....

There is no doubt a dedicated non-stop LHR-EZE is needed...



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7077 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 22):
Are they really upgrade it how??...



Quoting JJ8080 (Reply 19):
This would be nice... And considering BA is about to upgrade it's service, JJ could end up dead on GIG-LHR market if both BA and VS take care of it first...

BA released its Winter 2009;2010 schedule and there is no upgrade -

GIG - 3 x Weekly 772
GRU/EZE - Daily 744
MEX - 3 x Weekly 744

In fact, MEX will be downgraded from 4 to 3 weekly.

Things remain as they are for another year.

Rgs,


25 JJ8080 : No changes on timetable for GIG also? 3x weekly for both GIG and MEX is poor schedule... How unfortunate... Is there any chance they could change the
26 Hardiwv : As per Winter schedule 2009-2010 no change, things remains the same (aircraft and schedule). GRU-EZE also remain the same, while MEX gets downgraded
27 Eastern023 : SCL even though well cover by code share, would benefit from a BA or LH tag on from GRU or EZE. Swiss couldn't make it work, but was ZRH the problem?.
28 BALHRWWCC : MEX very doubtful. GIG possible but unlikely. The schedule has been geared towards the increasing number of leisure pax travelling between the UK and
29 JJ8080 : SCL could surely be a tag of LHR-EZE non stop... I'm not sure if deploying a 77W for a 34x weekly routes is correct since they will need to combinate
30 LipeGIG : BALHR, the new flight to Rio is showing a performance that even i was not expecting. To get loads higher than 85% on a new route (with less than 6 mo
31 JJ8080 : Felipe, you are assuming that LHR-GRU, LHR-EZE LHR-GIG will all have the same potetial? I totally true that both GIG and EZE has unserved demand, but
32 BALHRWWCC : BA have said on a number of occasions recently that their main focus is to add new routes from the UK to China. Closely followed by South America, Afr
33 LipeGIG : Because in my view, BA fight with TAM just at GRU. They got the GIG and EZE market for them, so it explains why they can just enjoy the premium yield
34 JJ8080 : You have a good point and I agree with it. My assumption is more based on O&D, considering connections (from BSB, CNF, VVI, SCL, etc) would be "equal
35 LipeGIG : In my view, FOR could receive BA 763 service 3x weekly. It could be also REC or SSA. BSB... i don't think so, the British foot print is limited at Br
36 BCAL : Correct. British United Airways (BUA) took over BOAC's entire South American network (which BOAC had acquired from British South American Airways). F
37 Hardiwv : BA Winter schedule is out and we can see no change. As you said, the fact is that BA network in South America wont change for the next year or so. Th
38 Bogota : Could you be more detailed on your opinion?
39 LipeGIG : Thanks for the comments, BALHR, do you believe that BA couldn't see on South America a market able to allow them the use of some parked equipment ? I
40 Post contains links Hardiwv : BA Y cabin is very small, remember BA has 3 classes in the B772 to GIG and 4 classes in the B747. BA capacity in Y to Brazil is small, this explains
41 JJ8080 : I believe on is as a EZE tag on, as a good scheduled non-stop destination I agree, no chance.
42 EddieDude : 3-classes, right? Word Traveller, World Traveller Plus and Club World, I think.
43 Hardiwv : Correct, I keep forgetting BA divides its Y cabin in two. BA has two B772 configuration, one in 3 classes and another in 4 classes for high yielding
44 CityofAthens : BCAL what an interesting post ... one can only dream of returning to such places on BA metal .... if you're interested and have access to facebook ,
45 Bogota : I agree with you, the day BA announced its departure, AF announced their 7 weekly up from 5 weekly all direct from BOG to CDG, and these few years si
46 B752OS : If someone wouldn't mind, what is the current schedules for LH, AF, IB and KL to South America?
47 LipeGIG : Yes Hardi, but still the same size of Y on many JJ and AF flights. Yes i know, but as you know just some seats and not all of them. And it's for book
48 Hardiwv : Lipe, AF has far more Y capacity in Brazil, look at the supply of Y seats on the B747, you know this better than me! BA Y seat supply in Brazil is mi
49 LipeGIG : Hardi, i was saying about the planes (A330 offers around 170Y seats) I'm not disputing, this is a procedure almost all airlines are using today, to s
50 Hardiwv : About the plane is correct, you can indeed compare TAM A330 and AF 330 with BA B772. It is interesting to know whether TAM will also follow BA and AF
51 EddieDude : I had to make a quick trip to VIE/DUS in 2006. I only had 5 days or so for the entire trip. I checked with AF, KL, LH, IB and U.S. carriers and they
52 Jfk777 : Doubt BA will give up GRU from LHR, to important to Sao Paulo, is the same as saying that BA would giveup JFK to LHR to AA, not going to happen. BA h
53 Rafabozzolla : I've included Swiss since it operates with LH pretty much in the same way as KL with AF LX 92 MUC-GRU MT TFSS 340 LH 534 FRA-CCS MTWTFSS 346 LH 510 F
54 JJ8080 : This would be ZHR-GRU, correct? And as far as I know, it's a daily service, isn't it?
55 C010T3 : You did, but that's ZRH-GRU.
56 LipeGIG : Has been reduced to 6x weekly.
57 SurfandSnow : Now if BA and IB weren't close oneworld partners, I imagine we'd probably see a little more of BA in South America. But seeing as they are, better to
58 2travel2know : It would be a good idea to include KL flights to PTY since those connect with CM Southamerican flights also. PBM (KL) and CAY (AF) are in Southameric
59 Post contains links Hardiwv : ZRH-GRU is 6 weekly, as posted by Lipe. LX is cutting capacity to 5 weekly or 6 weekly in most of its long-haul network. LX Reduces Capacity In US (b
60 JJ8080 : Thanks... Did they started any new routes in 2009, or they are gonna have aroung 15% fleet capacity unused?
61 Viscount724 : LX started a couple of new routes within Europe this year (examples ZRH-OSL and ZRH-LYS), but nothing longhaul.
62 Hardiwv : BA is now giving amazing promotion for tickets sold in Brazil for travel agents: commission of 6% + 15% = 21% of commission on Y tickets...I have neve
63 Rafabozzolla : Sorry, my mistake... Don't really agree. Otherwise BA MIA flights should be included since MIA is a major transit point to all of Latin America (incl
64 Yellowtail : During a recent visit with BA we were told that BA "is very interested in expansion into Central America" Remember IB is doing very well in GUA, SJO a
65 Hardiwv : This is close to impossible. Considering BA only destination nonstop in the whole of South America region is GRU and GIG I find it very unlikely it w
66 LipeGIG : Wow, that's amazing ! Exactly, and they don't have a hub to rely on. If they don't believe EZE is strong enough, LIM even a OW hub.. can someone talk
67 2travel2know : Well Belize was British and there're U.K. military stationed overthere.
68 BALHRWWCC : BA also want to expand in China and possibly africa. However the problem is they just do not have the money at the moment to facilitate such expansio
69 Post contains links Hardiwv : http://www.rextur.com.br/info/0493ba.htm I have never seen such high commissions before. The last one was 5+10 (KLM), but 6+15 is indeed truly amazin
70 LipeGIG : And they don't have any sort of service to UK yet ?
71 SJOtoLIR : Regarding the OneWorld e-Timetable, the IB flights towards Latin America holds code-share agreements with AA and LAN system. BA is not included there
72 Cityofathens : Never say never; perhaps one of the good things to come out of this drop in premium traffic is that BA has finally started looking closely at diversif
73 DCAjet : Where do you get this info from? Au contraire, BA engages in a good deal of marketing to promote London and Europe from BUE, and their loads LHR-EZE
74 Jfk777 : BA likes to fly to two types of places, the main financial centers in each region of teh world & former British colonies. South America, other then th
75 Aisak : Actually IB's MAD-LIM flight does hold a BA codeshare (BA7232). It surely gives BA some knowledge about the number of passengers flying to LIM but si
76 LipeGIG : In my view DCAJet, they already have all conditions to begin LHR-EZE non-stop! Agree 100%. And there's more examples all around. OPO-GIG, FCO-EZE, CD
77 LipeGIG : CAA April/09 numbers show it again over Apr/08: GIG + 95% .... 5814 pax .... 3x weekly EZE + 74% .....8094 pax .... daily with stop GRU + 13% ..... 21
78 Aer : I would really love to see BA in GUA, maybe a tag along with BZE?
79 DCAjet : On this morning's news (ATW): "In an investor update released last Friday, BA said April-October capacity will be reduced 3.5% year-over-year instead
80 BCAL : The RAF Transport Command does regular flights, otherwise the UK military charters aircraft to transport personnel, their family and friends.
81 Aussiestu : This seems like an interesting route to operate. What aircraft and what type of pax load would be attracted to it? Could it stand up to a daily servi
82 Post contains links DCAjet : I am afraid not - I flew G-BNLB last September, right before it was sent to Cardiff, together with LA and LC, and neither FIRST nor Club World had be
83 LipeGIG : In my view, could be with 772, 5 times per week. With LP feed, local market, and SCL feed, i would say SCL-LIM could replace some LP or LA service ge
84 JJ8080 : Very well developed Felipe, thanks. However, don't you think non-stop to EZE would come first?
85 LipeGIG : Both are opportunities that BA can manage to take advantage. EZE is an established base so for sure will come first, but at the same time, LIM repres
86 Post contains links Hardiwv : BA completed the refurbishment of all its strong B747 fleet. All the 8 B747s grounded aircraft have the new club world business cabin. The new First
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