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When Does A Flyby Become Just To Dangerous?  
User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

My father sent this link to me. I've seen a lot of low flyby video's but this to me just combines speed with a dose of pure insanity. Thoughts? (It's a stunning video though).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ectffDmDHOs

Cheers,
Z18


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

The plane and the pilot both have the ability to do this sort of thing so I don't see the problem.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
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Honestly, I'd be inclined to say it was a special effect. I would think unstable air currents over a hot desert and worries about foreign object ingestion (especially since the F-16 is a single-engine bird) would make someone as professional as a fighter pilot decide "No, it's too dangerous".

Then again, that the picture below was allowed into the database implies it is not a fake, so maybe they do fly Falcons that low, as well.


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User currently offlineN160lh From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

when it hits something... and not a second before...

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User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3287 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
The plane and the pilot both have the ability to do this sort of thing so I don't see the problem.

What happens if you sneeze? Haha  Silly



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

If you think it was low for an F-16, look at this (but it is not new):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

The flyby that was the 2nd to last one was very, very dangerous...... inches from killing the cameraman. Not cool.  no 


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

its TOO not TO.............

User currently offlineFlood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1383 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
its TOO not TO.............

and it's IT'S not ITS  Wink


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Looks like the way I'd fly if I were a pilot (good reason I'm not  Wink), my driving already gives young healthy people heart attacks. Big grin

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
The flyby that was the 2nd to last one was very, very dangerous...... inches from killing the cameraman. Not cool. no

That 2nd to last one was  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2401 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
The plane and the pilot both have the ability to do this sort of thing so I don't see the problem.

Everyone thinks it's cool to see those guys make those kind of low passes, and yes, the have the ability to fly low like that, but why do it? It wasn't in a combat situation where flying that low is necessary to reach the target or avoid ground fire, it wasn't a controlled air show situation - it was directly over a number of people and vehicles on the ground. It was some pilots showing off, hot dogging it, and all too often that leads to bad things.

What can happen when you fly lower than you need to, and how fast things can go to hell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8tP6TuzdHE

Remember, this guy started out showing off, and ultimately cost 4 lives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash

[Edited 2009-06-22 16:09:44]

[Edited 2009-06-22 16:10:53]


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User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3073 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
its TOO not TO.............

My mistake relax...



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6538 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Assuming it is a practice flight, that is what it looks like.

Flying much higher is exstemely dangerous since then you will get a SAM on your tail.

That's nothing new, and it can be dangerous. When deHavilland Misquito bombers bombed my office on 19th March 1945 (which at that time was "taken over" by the local Gestapo), then they had salt spray all over the windows from crossing the North Sea below the radar. One consequense was that one wave of Mosquitoes found the wrong target and bombed a school killing 115 children instead.

I have a picture, taken from a roof top, looking down on one Mosquito flying down North Farimags Street in Copenhagen well below rooftops on both sides of the street. That was taken seconds after it had delivered a bomb on 1st floor of my six story office building (which burned to ashes and was rebuilt in 1947/48).

War isn't healthy.



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User currently offlineN1641 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3001 times:



Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 11):
My mistake relax...

grammar police never relax


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

If the flyby is practiced, the crew is competent, the flight path does not risk life of spectators, the flight is about controlled flight and not just for an adrenlin boost or ego stroking (state of mind of the crew) then at that point you have some justification to do it. Of course there is also that whole issue of military jets being paid for by tax payers money so a military jet isn't your personal toy.

That TAP video link by Briez is where I get uncomfortable, it may well have been practiced a lot, but I think they needed more altitude before making the turn.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2830 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 10):
Everyone thinks it's cool to see those guys make those kind of low passes, and yes, the have the ability to fly low like that, but why do it?

Practice?

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 10):
What can happen when you fly lower than you need to, and how fast things can go to hell:

That is why the pilot must use his best judgement to not exceed his skill or the aircraft's abilities. In this case he did not, and everything was fine. It is all about judgement, something all pilots must do extremely well no matter what you are flying.

Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 4):
What happens if you sneeze?

Fighter pilots don't sneeze.  Smile



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User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 4):
What happens if you sneeze?

Fighter pilots don't sneeze. Smile

Hahaha I'll be sure to tell my father he's not aloud to sneeze  duck 



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User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2770 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
That is why the pilot must use his best judgement to not exceed his skill or the aircraft's abilities. In this case he did not, and everything was fine. It is all about judgement, something all pilots must do extremely well no matter what you are flying.

Fighter pilots tend to show off... Haha lived with one and around them for the last 20 years hahaha.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4722 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
The flyby that was the 2nd to last one was very, very dangerous...... inches from killing the cameraman. Not cool. no

That was shot at the Vliehorst, the Netherlands from the tower on site (it's a shooting range) and while it was close, it looks worse then it probably was.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2599 times:



Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 17):
Fighter pilots tend to show off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BzU1sYPjzo



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