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QR To Annouce DOH-GRU And DOH-ORD For 2010  
User currently offlineNomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 509 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

A very reliable source says GRU and ORD will be added next year. Seems like logical choices to me. Maybe EK will abandon ORD plans with EY this year and QR next year. AI will lose more ORD traffic and QR will get UA feed as well.

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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7094 times:



Quoting Nomorerjs (Thread starter):
A very reliable source says GRU and ORD will be added next year. Seems like logical choices to me. Maybe EK will abandon ORD plans with EY this year and QR next year. AI will lose more ORD traffic and QR will get UA feed as well.

So what about GIG? I heard QR was also looking at GIG for the future. EK will acclerate their US expansion, but apparently the biggest holdup is their inability to gain US-Germany and US-UK authority through OpenSkies. Otherwise, EK might well have added ORD, ATL, and other US cities by now.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Thanks for the information confirming my earlier post. I also had the same information that in late 2009 or 2010 QR would start nonstop service DOH-Brazil but was not sure yet whether GRU or GIG. Now it seems GRU is the selected destination. I thought so because QR already has an office in Sao Paulo and is currently looking for a bigger property.

QR To Start Brazil Flights (by Hardiwv Jun 21 2009 in Civil Aviation)

I assume the flight will arrive follow EK schedule arriving at 18h in GRU and returning to DOH about 00.30. Any indication on possible schedules to fit DOH banking hub. Also QR will need to deal with Brazilian auhtorities to find appropriate slots in GRU as the airport is very busy.

Rgs,


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7044 times:



Quoting Nomorerjs (Thread starter):
A very reliable source says GRU and ORD will be added next year.

Doha to Brazil relying on local traffic is of course not viable. What markets will QR target with convenient connections to sustain this flight?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7035 times:
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Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 1):
So what about GIG? I heard QR was also looking at GIG for the future. EK will acclerate their US expansion, but apparently the biggest holdup is their inability to gain US-Germany and US-UK authority through OpenSkies. Otherwise, EK might well have added ORD, ATL, and other US cities by now

It doesn't suprise at all. GIG will only got a third or fourth service when there's a lot of competition. Before that, they will fight for the same market, and will post a lot of ads in Rio to get passengers... just funny, but real.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7015 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 3):
What markets will QR target with convenient connections to sustain this flight?

Middle East and East Asia.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7011 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 3):
Doha to Brazil relying on local traffic is of course not viable. What markets will QR target with convenient connections to sustain this flight?

It will be like EK with lots of connections, although DXB already has its share of O&D and Dubai became among the tourist destination of Brazilians...perhaps Doha will try to do the same, especially because Doha is expanding its service sector. But what will make DOH work is its comprehensive hub to Asia (South Asia in particular), but also Oceania, Middle East and East Africa. It will certainly steal a lot of pax from European carriers connecting pax to Asia and the Middle east.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
It doesn't suprise at all. GIG will only got a third or fourth service when there's a lot of competition. Before that, they will fight for the same market, and will post a lot of ads in Rio to get passengers... just funny, but real.

I am not yet confident QR already selected GRU, because my source indicated they were still doing market prospects. On the other hand, in case QR confirms DOH-GRU what we could certainly see is EK changing its strategy and instead of the double daily DXB-GRU they could introduce GIG-DXB.

Rgs,


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6696 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Middle East and East Asia.

Eddie, mainly South Asia (destinations such as India, Pakista, Bangladesh, etc) have strong QR network and generate more demand than East Asia.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6625 times:



Quoting Nomorerjs (Thread starter):
Maybe EK will abandon ORD plans

If any of the rumblings in the sand pit are to be believed, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss ORD...



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Seems like the QR top brass liked my report for them made in December last year for ORD.

http://airline-news.blogspot.com/200.../qatar-airways-chicago-report.html


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6498 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Middle East and East Asia.

I was hoping for a more specific answer. QR's schedule cannot support quick connections to a large set of destinations. They are going to have to pick a few. If they have an evening arrival at DOH they will be able to do SIN/HKG, China and Japan.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6468 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
Eddie, mainly South Asia (destinations such as India, Pakista, Bangladesh, etc) have strong QR network and generate more demand than East Asia.

Thanks for the clarification Hardi. Is there a lot of demand or potential demand from Brazil to these nations and vice versa?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6430 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
On the other hand, in case QR confirms DOH-GRU what we could certainly see is EK changing its strategy and instead of the double daily DXB-GRU they could introduce GIG-DXB.

I'm very skeptical EK would change its strategy. All i see is a quick reaction from EK making GRU double daily before QR. And all that could make money (more), will fight for less and put more pressure on LH and AF.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Is there any chance that QR could make this a DOG-GRU-EZE run? That might fatten the pot a little.

YOWza



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6370 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
I'm very skeptical EK would change its strategy.

Can Emirates do well in Brazil with two flights a day in the current environment? I think not.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6277 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 14):
Can Emirates do well in Brazil with two flights a day in the current environment? I think not.

No for sure, it will dilute yields and loads. But do you think EK will allow QR to get the market for themselves ? DOH-GIG-EZE would be the best ! DOH-GRU, welcome to competition!



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6190 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
No for sure, it will dilute yields and loads. But do you think EK will allow QR to get the market for themselves ? DOH-GIG-EZE would be the best ! DOH-GRU, welcome to competition!

Compared to Dubai, Doha is just a little airport. Qatar cannot offer the variety and convenience of connections Dubai can. Qatar won't be able to sustain the same quantity of frequencies that Emirates can. If Emirates is able to fill an airplane daily, Qatar will do at most 3 x week or fly lots of empty seats. It really can't do much more than that - take a look at their schedule.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5999 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 16):
Compared to Dubai, Doha is just a little airport. Qatar cannot offer the variety and convenience of connections Dubai can.

But what percentage of Brazilian passengers are going to the larger cities-- the ones served conveniently over both DOH and DXB?

Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 8):
If any of the rumblings in the sand pit are to be believed, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss ORD...

Chicago is a wonderful market, but it isn't a bottomless pit of demand to the middle east or the subcontinent. I wonder how many carriers is too many.



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User currently offlineNomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

GRU-DOH will be 3x weekly. Don't rule out this being extended to EZE and the frequency being increased.

ORD-DOH will be 3x weekly going to daily (similar to EY) but will have the added benefit of UA feed.

I'm not sure how much more ORD-Middle East flights are needed. EK could fill a connecting niche to India and Pakistan, but that would hurt AI and kill any chance of PK or KU returning (not that I thought it would happen). Also, RJ could feel some pressure (given AA's low priority at ORD) with other carriers in the mix.

I still think ORD-TLV could work on UA.

Just my 2 cents.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5976 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 16):
Compared to Dubai, Doha is just a little airport

The fastest growing airport in the world and QR is the fastest growing airline.

Quoting Nomorerjs (Reply 18):
GRU-DOH will be 3x weekly. Don't rule out this being extended to EZE and the frequency being increased.

Thanks for the information.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
DOH-GRU, welcome to competition!

And the passengers say thank you for more competition!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
Thanks for the clarification Hardi. Is there a lot of demand or potential demand from Brazil to these nations and vice versa?

More than 10 destinations in India alone, the majority not available via Europe or US.

http://www.qatarairways.com/global/en/routemap-popup.html

Rgs,


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5966 times:

No real surprises here as QR continues to bolster its international network with 2 more top global cities. QR has shown tremendous interest in GRU before, I think they even announced the service but then pulled it due to a lack of suitable aircraft? ORD, being a primary hub for partner UA, is the next logical choice for QR in the U.S. market. Perhaps DEN might even have its own link to the Middle East someday at the rate these airlines are expanding. I imagine QR wanted to fly to Toronto as well but I'm sure the Canadians will probably not give them even one weekly frequency to YYZ  Wink


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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

With QR partnering with LH and UA is there any chance they might join Star Alliance in the nearest future?

User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5758 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
The fastest growing airport in the world and QR is the fastest growing airline.

I don't know your source and your time reference. And I would not extrapolate any rates of growth or contraction anywhere in the world right now to forecast airline traffic down many years.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
More than 10 destinations in India alone, the majority not available via Europe or US.

But are they available via Dubai? Doesn't Emirates have 19 destinations in India?

How many large airlines that can only survive on connecting traffic can be based in the Middle East?



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

There is also a thread about Emirates' low cost clone, FlyDubai, adding three new destinations in India.

I am not saying QR is going to flop. I am just saying that their schedule is not very big and is spread along the day. Most people with a premium on their time will not go through Doha and spend a big chunk of a day waiting for a connection.



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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5690 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 23):

Once the New Doha International Airport will open, QR will be in a position to offer far better connections and Doha will become a "real" hub. The current airport has been extended a few times, but is at it's limit.

http://www.ndiaproject.com



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25 Post contains links Hardiwv : This is a question mark, but QR and EK have shown they could handle a profitable (to some degree subsidisied) business with their hub linking West an
26 Behramjee : QR's proposed GRU flights will be targeting passengers bound to DXB, BOM, DEL, SIN, KUL, PEK, PVG, HKG and KIX i.e. the same as EK. However, I like t
27 Ojas : Emirates only has 10 destinations in India, and by October so will QR.
28 C010T3 : DOH-GIG-EZE could be a good alternative. The Qatar-Brazil bilateral agreement allows 5th freedom rights to other South American destinations, so it s
29 Incitatus : Correct. Sorry, I should have checked on this one. I don't know where I got the number 19 from.
30 Hardiwv : I think you counted South Asian destinations, ie India+Pakistan+Sri Lanka+Bangladesh. Rgs,
31 Abrelosojos : = There are 2 things here - a lot of people do not realize the magnitude of what you are saying - namely, that DXB is a HUGE destination in Asia for
32 Incitatus : I read it somewhere. I could have been 19 flights a day to India on Emirates.
33 Hardiwv : What you said about TK is very true, the problem with TK in GRU is that its flight operates with a stop-over in DKR, but the airline is quickly setti
34 Ojas : Actually I started that thread earlier. It said DXB was connected to 19 Indian cities that is all airlines operating between DXB and India.
35 Rajrs : Why AI will lose ? AI's DEL-FRA-ORD is well connected with BOM-FRA & AMD-FRA flights which is not sufficient ? Rajrs.
36 Behramjee : In 2008, 21,000 pax from GRU flew to DXB and 22,000 pax flew to NRT. These are O&D numbers with the passenger's final destination being DXB or GRU. G
37 Behramjee : From GIG to Asia, the figures for 2008 were really bad: HKG - 1700 pax NRT - 2700 pax PEK - 1500 pax DXB - 2400 pax PVG - 1000 pax SIN - 2000 pax And
38 C010T3 : Where do you get your data from? And how about other Brazilian airports?
39 Behramjee : sheppards system...its like MIDT or PAXIS
40 Behramjee : btw what is EZE's city code ? Like SAO is for Sao Paulo and TYO is for Tokyo...what is Buenos Aires's?
41 C010T3 : BUE
42 C010T3 : I don't know that system, but I'm guessing it does not follow the connecting flights on JJ or G3 behind GRU and GIG, which ends up distorting the dat
43 LipeGIG : Problem is that the lack of flights reduce the power even to attract passengers. You can expect Rio's numbers to be bigger and at least 1/3 of the GR
44 Incitatus : It probably does show the connections on different carriers as long as the passenger does nto change airports. But just the 85% figure for AF seems t
45 Behramjee : What I meant was that out of the GIG-Asia market share, 85% of it is in Air France's hands! Obviously from GIG, AF carries more pax bound to France a
46 C010T3 : The problem is JJ's and G3's domestic networks not fully being in the GDSs.
47 Abrelosojos : = Shepperd Systems is actually just the reporting end of MIDT data. It is the same thing. The other big vendor is Sabre itself. Also, your numbers ar
48 Behramjee : Nopes sir, these are round trip figures...trust me!
49 KGAIflyer : More probably, it was your A.net thread on the need for QR service through ORD
50 Hardiwv : Thanks for the very impressive numbers. SA connections to HKG and BOM are not good entailing overnight stay in JNB in one of the legs. This is why it
51 JJ8080 : Am I mistaken, or considering these numbers are just for O&D, they would easely justify additional: GRU-(stop)-HKG 2x weekly A332/B767 GRU-(stop)-PEK
52 Hardiwv : There is no doubt about the strong demand from Brazil to HKG, PVG, PEK and SIN respectively, but the demand for these market is met by many airlines.
53 LipeGIG : The RG route was a total mistake at that time. Even now, 14,000 pax means, using a 220-seat equipment, 63 full flights, or around 75 with 80% load. 7
54 Hardiwv : This will depend where your stop-over is, traffic rights, and possible codeshare. Say for example TAM flies to HKG via FRA and manages a codeshare wi
55 LipeGIG : Hardi, the stop over wont change the fact that the flight would compete against established services. And nowadays, will be hard to get traffic right
56 Post contains links Kaitak : Certainly well within the range of a 777-300ER: http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=i...&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180 There's nothing, at the mom
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