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FX Birds At CVG On 6/21  
User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1580 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

When I was waiting to leave for DC on Sunday at CVG, I noticed that there were two FX A310s (although I could only see the tail of the second, so it may have been an A300, but definitely an Airbus tail) sitting on the ramp. I only point this out, because in the past when I have noticed FX birds at CVG they have only been 727s the last few years, and then I've only seen one at a time. Is this the normal daily/wknd volume for FX at CVG nowadays, or was this just a chance catch?

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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Last summer FX started parking 727's due to fuel.

Don't forget, DHL discontinued their domestic package service and CVG was the home for awhile. DHL is now international thus the domestic business, that remained, went back to FX and UPS. UPS trucks to SDF.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

So "all" the business that DHL had in the CVG market, has created this much demand just for FX? I'm not saying you're wrong here, just that I never thought that Cincinnati produced THAT much express freight traffic for one carrier to necessitate two widebodies each night. FWIW, they were parked over by the old (now closed) Terminal 1, where FX usually parks, not down on the DHL ramp and the south end of the airport.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2314 times:

A300's/310's have always been nightly visitors at CVG. Even when DHL was going strong. They come from, and return to, MEM with overnights.


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2297 times:

Wow I'm just surprised that Cincinnati puts out that much traffic, since I had only noticed 727s there before

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 2250 times:
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#1277 MEM 06/23/2009 22:20L (02:20Z) 06/23/2009 22:50L (03:50Z) A310H
#1260 MEM 06/23/2009 23:44L (03:44Z) 06/23/2009 12:14L (05:14Z) A310L


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting LHCVG (Reply 2):
So "all" the business that DHL had in the CVG market, has created this much demand just for FX? I'm not saying you're wrong here, just that I never thought that Cincinnati produced THAT much express freight traffic for one carrier to necessitate two widebodies each night.

CVG use to have a 727 layover and an A-310 flow through from some where (I think IND or maybe not) in the middle of the night. The FX wide body into CVG is not new.

The A310 main deck carries 16 pallet position and the 727 carries 11 pallet positions. The A-310 is a wide body, but the smallest cargo wide body.

Today there is a net of 5 new positions.

Combine this with the parking of the 727 and DHL leaving the market, it's a "stop gap". Besides FX is not always full. They don't have to be full, their yields are CRAZY high.


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 6):
The A310 main deck carries 16 pallet position and the 727 carries 11 pallet positions. The A-310 is a wide body, but the smallest cargo wide body.

Today there is a net of 5 new positions.

Well technically it is not as simple as 5 "new" positions on topside as the A310 can carry 6 of the larger AMJ containers that the 727 cannot carry. The A310 can also carry 14 LD3 containers in the belly on top of having an AFT Bulk that can carry quite a bit of loose freight behind the AFT Lowers. So it is quite a bit bigger to utilize an A310 over a 727.

"and the 727 carries 11 pallet positions."....Actually a 722 has 12 positions and a 721 has 9, although I know that FX doesn't have them anymore.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 6):
and DHL leaving the market,

Is everyone here aware that DHL actually left CVG on September 9-10, 2005 and moved the operation up to ILN where the much larger Airborne Express hub was located??? Yes DHL still only handles INTL shipments but they will be returning to CVG in about 30-35 days. They announced that a few months back.

FX1816

[Edited 2009-06-23 14:42:24]

User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2048 times:



Quoting FX1816 (Reply 7):
Is everyone here aware that DHL actually left CVG on September 9-10, 2005 and moved the operation up to ILN where the much larger Airborne Express hub was located??? Yes DHL still only handles INTL shipments but they will be returning to CVG in about 30-35 days. They announced that a few months back.

My 2nd Reply mentions DHL moved to Int'l only.....

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 1):
DHL is now international thus the domestic business, that remained, went back to FX and UPS.



Quoting FX1816 (Reply 7):
Actually a 722 has 12 positions and a 721 has 9

I thought it was 12 positions, the Boeing website says 11.


The A-310 has significant belly space compared to a 727. The A-310 is the a/c to replace the 727 in the meantime and not that big of deal. In fact when the 727's are gone, FX smallest aircraft will be the 757.

In my experience with FX when we've charted the A-310, for reasons unknown, we are not allowed to use the belly space. No reason has been given.


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2044 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 8):
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 7):
Is everyone here aware that DHL actually left CVG on September 9-10, 2005 and moved the operation up to ILN where the much larger Airborne Express hub was located??? Yes DHL still only handles INTL shipments but they will be returning to CVG in about 30-35 days. They announced that a few months back.

My 2nd Reply mentions DHL moved to Int'l only.....

The INTL wasn't really what I was pointing at but more that DHL has not had any real presence in the CVG area since they pulled out and went to ILN nearly 4 years ago. The switch back to the "Legacy" DHL ways of INTL only is partly why they are moving back to CVG. The original move in the first place to ILN was a joke, I was still working for DHL at ONT and it screwed up everything as we angered alot of big customers with the poor service that ensued in the first few weeks following the switch to ILN.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 8):
The A-310 has significant belly space compared to a 727.

Yup but when I worked for FX at ONT we would occasionally get an A310 and I did not like them as I was always worried that my loader operators could cause damage to the airplane as there is NO room on each side of all 3 loaders when they are in position.

FX1816


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2000 times:



Quoting FX1816 (Reply 9):
The INTL wasn't really what I was pointing at but more that DHL has not had any real presence in the CVG area since they pulled out and went to ILN nearly 4 years ago.

I should have been more specific in my post. I meant DHL leaving the domestic parcel business all together opening up more business for UPS and FedEx. Not the move of the sort facility.

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 9):
The original move in the first place to ILN was a joke, I was still working for DHL at ONT and it screwed up everything as we angered alot of big customers with the poor service that ensued in the first few weeks following the switch to ILN.

I remember the move. DHL suffered significant service failures. The CVG facility was nicer and newer. The north end of the building was a parcel sort facility with the south end designed for heavy freight.

I toured both facilities, CVG in 2004 and ILN in 2006. In ILN, all I could think was why in the hell would you move from what you had to this!!

In my tour group were four guys from Seabury Consulting firm. I over heard them discussing what I was thinking. Except they were pointing out potential issues etc. The last statement I overheard was DHL could be done if they do not make changes. I'm not saying that was what did them in, but these guys were called in to assist DHL.

2005 was a bad year for CVG. I remember DHL announcing the ILN relocation and a few days before the opening of the new runway DL announced a significant reduction in service.


User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1958 times:

DHL is already back at CVG.

I'm not sure if it is everyday or not but often times I will catch a 3rd Airbus parked over at T1 on the inside (between T1 & T2) that comes in loads up and goes out, this is usally between 4pm & 6pm.

For any interested, this spot on the inside of T1 (old USAir regional gates) Delta has been remote parking aircraft there lately. 73's & Maddogs.

Tchau

DA-



They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:



Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 11):
DHL is already back at CVG.

Yeah they are still using ILN it's not until July 30th or 31st I believe before they officially move back to CVG.

FX1816


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