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SIN-MNL Sees Upped Frequencies By Three Carriers!  
User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 682 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

During the month, three carriers have announced increased frequencies on the busy route.

3K have been given rights to add three weekly flights to the existing daily, and plan to do so:
http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news09/56-JetstarAsia.shtml

5J will up their frequencies from 18 weekly to thrice daily:
http://www.cebupacificair.com/aboutus/press/2009/06112009.html

And last but not least, after almost a decade with the same number of flights to MNL, SQ was finally given rights to add a fourth daily flight:
http://www.singaporeair.com/mediacentre/pacontent/news/NE_3609.jsp

With PR also operating the route with four daily flights, the route will see 12-13 rotations every day.
Only two years ago the route saw only seven daily rotations.

//Alex


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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

That's great news! Any idea on whether it's going to be a 773 or 772 on the route? Didn't know that loads were so healthy on the Manila route for SQ, though that speaks nothing of yields.


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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3537 times:



Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 1):
That's great news! Any idea on whether it's going to be a 773 or 772 on the route? Didn't know that loads were so healthy on the Manila route for SQ, though that speaks nothing of yields.

It's going to be a 772, which means three 772s and one 773 on the route.
I didn't know that either, but it seems to see good loads.
Like you said, MNL is surely not among their highest yielding routes, altough it must be fairly profitable as the airline increases the route during times when they have cut down on alot of other destinations.

//Alex



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3384 times:



Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
With PR also operating the route with four daily flights, the route will see 12-13 rotations every day.
Only two years ago the route saw only seven daily rotations.

In other words, this o/d pair is overserved.

How about some more actors between MNL and HKG?

Or how about some additional daytime flights SIN to/from CEB and DVO? Or perhaps it is just meant in perpetuity for people to pay $200 each way for MI to operate daytime fligths on what seems to be a virtually exclusive franchise?  Smile


User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3236 times:

SQ has carries many foregin workers from the Philippines to the middle east so its no wonder that they will up their frequencies there. Not to mention the large community of foreign workers here in Singapore too in almost every area of business.

User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3145 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 3):
In other words, this o/d pair is overserved.

I have noticed that you are mostly very negative to expansion of MNL, and very pro CEB/DVO.  Wink
Well, i think it's wrong to just make the assumption of the route being overserved. It's the the other way around, the route was previously underserved! MNL has always been underserved, from most regions. More recently, atleast Asian and MiddleEastern carriers have relised this. I mean, why would all these airlines increase capacity if they weren't seeing good loads, espcially SQ who have cut off so much routes/frequencies to other destinations?

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 3):
How about some more actors between MNL and HKG?

Are you being sarcastic or serious? IIRC your respond to the upgrade of the route a couple of months ago wasn't very optimistic either.  Silly
Though if you are serious HKG is served 16 times daily from the Philippine capital, by PR (5), 5J (4), UO(1) and CX (6, including KA).

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 3):
Or how about some additional daytime flights SIN to/from CEB and DVO? Or perhaps it is just meant in perpetuity for people to pay $200 each way for MI to operate daytime fligths on what seems to be a virtually exclusive franchise?

I am all for growth of other Philippine airports aswell, but although CEB brings in loads of tourists and OFWs from the Visayan region, you really have to remember that Metro Manila has a population ten times the size of Cebu! And also, out of the quite small maount of international business contacts that do exists in the country, almost all are seated in the capital area.
So if you think about this, CEB cannot cannot handle much more than 2 daily flights to SIN at present, which is what they do right now. A daily flight by MI and a 4 weekly by 5J.
5J's international base at DVO was shut down for a reason, they couldn't support neither HKG nor SIN, simple as that.


Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 4):
SQ has carries many foregin workers from the Philippines to the middle east so its no wonder that they will up their frequencies there. Not to mention the large community of foreign workers here in Singapore too in almost every area of business.

True. SQ is a good choice for many flying to/from MNL as they have such good connections, especially Europe (which we all now is extremly underserved from MNL) and the MiddleEast.

//Alex



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User currently offlineGabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3077 times:



Quoting CityAirline (Reply 5):
Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 3):
How about some more actors between MNL and HKG?

Are you being sarcastic or serious? IIRC your respond to the upgrade of the route a couple of months ago wasn't very optimistic either. Silly
Though if you are serious HKG is served 16 times daily from the Philippine capital, by PR (5), 5J (4), UO(1) and CX (6, including KA).

I flew HKG-MNL 2 weeks ago on Cebu Pacific on a HKD200 + tax fare and the A319 was half full at best - can't imagine the yields on this route are great



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User currently offlineSq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3050 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 3):

Or how about some additional daytime flights SIN to/from CEB and DVO? Or perhaps it is just meant in perpetuity for people to pay $200 each way for MI to operate daytime fligths on what seems to be a virtually exclusive franchise?

MI definitely have a sweet business model going - as they continue to fly to Asia's boutique destinations that remain under served from the major Asian hubs, they continue to charge pretty astronomical fares as they remain the sole carrier on these routes. I flew them to Kathmandu last year and they charged $1,000 for the 5 hour flight - and by the way, they was barely anything in the realm of customer service on MI either. Crew were rude, no hardware offerings to speak of, and food portions were tiny and not very good anyway.


Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 4):
SQ has carries many foregin workers from the Philippines to the middle east so its no wonder that they will up their frequencies there.

I remember the last time I was checking in with SQ at MNL, there were separate counters for Business and Economy and Star/Kris Gold, then to the far right next to the excess bags counter there was another counter exclusively for people connecting to the Middle East!

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 5):
CX (6, including KA)

KA flies to MNL now!? Or do they occasionally operate a CX frequency?

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 5):
UO(1)

What airline is UO? I remember the days when I was a kid in Manila and there were a host of foreign airlines that operated the HKG-MNL sector as a tag on to their long haul operations to Hong Kong - at one point it was SR, BA, AZ, AF and even EK back in the day.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 5):
4 weekly by 5J.

I've heard that this flight is extremely unreliable and is very delayed much of the time. I would hazard a guess that it has something to do with the aircraft rotation relating to this flight pattern?

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 5):

True. SQ is a good choice for many flying to/from MNL as they have such good connections, especially Europe (which we all now is extremly underserved from MNL) and the MiddleEast.

It will be interesting to see how things will pan out in this regard with Emirates and Qatar also upping their MNL frequencies. GF did add the 77W on to the route as well, though that aircraft is premium heavy (so not well suited for the route, our 400+ cattle truck configured 773s work better) and I believe Etihad may be adding frequencies too?



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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2933 times:



Quoting Gabrielchew (Reply 6):
I flew HKG-MNL 2 weeks ago on Cebu Pacific on a HKD200 + tax fare and the A319 was half full at best - can't imagine the yields on this route are great

Interesting.
I think the majority of Filipinos in HKG chooses PR/5J/UO, while CX carries mostly connecting traffic.
When I flew HKG-MNL one year ago on a CX744, it was about 80% full (atleast in Y). The return flight on a CX333 was completely full in all classes.

Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 7):
KA flies to MNL now!? Or do they occasionally operate a CX frequency?

CX operates five daily flights to MNL and on two weekdays they operate six, although since last year KA have been operating a flight five times a week (on the days when the sixth CX flight does not operate).

Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 7):
What airline is UO?

HongKong Express.

Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 7):
It will be interesting to see how things will pan out in this regard with Emirates and Qatar also upping their MNL frequencies. GF did add the 77W on to the route as well, though that aircraft is premium heavy (so not well suited for the route, our 400+ cattle truck configured 773s work better) and I believe Etihad may be adding frequencies too?

All true. Both EK and QR upped their frequencies to MNL during spring this year. I've heard EY are planning the same. Also, when EK receives their first 2-class configured A380 (whenever that is), we can expect to see it at MNL aswell.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2875 times:



Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 1):
That's great news! Any idea on whether it's going to be a 773 or 772 on the route? Didn't know that loads were so healthy on the Manila route for SQ, though that speaks nothing of yields.

SQ operates a 3-class configuration (772/773) on SIN-MNL so this should be an indication the cabin up front has a demand. So perhaps yields might not be so bad after all. Of course the majority of YCL pax would be VFR, that I won't argue. That being said Philippines is also a primary producer of agricultiural produce like fruits etc so who knows what is happening in the cargo belly beneath?



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2829 times:



Quoting Gabrielchew (Reply 6):
I flew HKG-MNL 2 weeks ago on Cebu Pacific on a HKD200 + tax fare and the A319 was half full at best

I flew HKG-CRK and MNL-HKG about 3 weeks ago, the latter had about 50 pax on it. CRK about 50% load. Flying HKG-MNL-HKG again on 5J in three weeks time, 665 HKD all in return, actually PR econolight was cheaper but max stay is 7 days.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 9):
SQ operates a 3-class configuration (772/773) on SIN-MNL

Both my flights in September show 9V-SV* series 777-200ER based on the seatmaps. Before it always was 3-class.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2780 times:



Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 10):

Both my flights in September show 9V-SV* series 777-200ER based on the seatmaps. Before it always was 3-class.

Oh dear I stand corrected then!  melting 



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2761 times:



Quoting Sq_ek_freak (Reply 7):
MI definitely have a sweet business model going - as they continue to fly to Asia's boutique destinations that remain under served from the major Asian hubs, they continue to charge pretty astronomical fares as they remain the sole carrier on these routes. I flew them to Kathmandu last year and they charged $1,000 for the 5 hour flight - and by the way, they was barely anything in the realm of customer service on MI either. Crew were rude, no hardware offerings to speak of, and food portions were tiny and not very good anyway.

Right on. Some JetStar competition SIN-CEB would provide a nice alternative, wouldn't it?  Smile

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 4):
I am all for growth of other Philippine airports aswell, but although CEB brings in loads of tourists and OFWs from the Visayan region, you really have to remember that Metro Manila has a population ten times the size of Cebu!

Acknowledged, definitely. And it should also be acknowledged that that CEB is already served by several international airlines, including Korean Air, Asiana, Malaysia, Cathay Pacific, and - significant to Europeans - Qatar Airways. But I'm just saying that with the network of domestic connections onward from CEB, it still seems that certain regional routes aren't being explored to their fullest potential - especially when it comes to daytime flights. And Philippine Airlines does operate internationally from CEB but, mysteriously, only to Japan (NRT and KIX).

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 5):
5J's international base at DVO was shut down for a reason, they couldn't support neither HKG nor SIN, simple as that.

Well, with scarecrow-grade attributes such as graveyard hour flights, frequent monster delays, and oh - did we mention a general refusal to accept non-Philppine issued credit cards for online bookings - how could they have succeeded on any secondary market such as this one?

Quoting Gabrielchew (Reply 6):
I flew HKG-MNL 2 weeks ago on Cebu Pacific on a HKD200 tax fare and the A319 was half full at best - can't imagine the yields on this route are great

Interesting.


User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2594 times:



Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
With PR also operating the route with four daily flights, the route will see 12-13 rotations every day.
Only two years ago the route saw only seven daily rotations.

It is only a matter of time before route frequencies between ASEAN's capital cities multiply as the open skies initiatives begin to phase in. In fact, this growth into MNL can hardly compare to that between SIN and KUL, where there will be 226 from 1 July with the entry of a seventh carrier on the route, up from 133 in February 2008!



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