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AF B777 Y Configuration: 3x3x3 Or 3x4x3!  
User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

AF shows the Y section onboard its 777's with 3x3x3 config., while in reality they're 3x4x3. Why is that? What are they trying to tell their passengers?

Anyway, I've been onboard the 10 abreast seating and I don't think it was cramped. Why would airliens opt for the 9 abreast instead? What's the difference in seating capacity between both options?

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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3765 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

I believe it's different configurations depending on what routes the A/C are deployed on.

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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

On the B777-200ER's its 3x3x3,

on the B777-300ER's its 3x4x3 (similar to KL, EK etc).



seemyseems
User currently offlineOD-BWH From Kuwait, joined Jan 2002, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7769 times:



Quoting Doona (Reply 1):
I believe it's different configurations depending on what routes the A/C are deployed on.

Check the correct config. on seatguru.com.

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 2):
on the B777-300ER's its 3x4x3 (similar to KL, EK etc).

But they show it as 9 abreast on their website.. that's my point.



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

From seatguru website, there is one version of 772, that is 3x3x3, like seemyseems has pointed out

Also, from the same website, there are 3 versions of 77W, version 1 is 3x3x3 and versions 2&3 are 3x4x3

Quoting Doona (Reply 1):
I believe it's different configurations depending on what routes the A/C are deployed on.

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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
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Quoting OD-BWH (Thread starter):
AF shows the Y section onboard its 777's with 3x3x3 config., while in reality they're 3x4x3. Why is that? What are they trying to tell their passengers?

Ia Orana OD-BWH,

AF is not trying to fool its customers... what the problem is is that they never removed the 310 seat version of the 77W. AF had for a while the 2 versions, while the retrofit was going on. Now that all 77W are in 3x4x3 they should remove the 310 seat 77W version. That's all !
You must check the 325 seat version to get the correct 77W seat plan.

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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2220 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7699 times:



Quoting OD-BWH (Reply 3):
But they show it as 9 abreast on their website.. that's my point.

Check this link:
http://www.airfrance.fr/common/image.../en/B777300_coi_472pax_maxi_en.gif



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24912 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7675 times:



Quoting OD-BWH (Thread starter):
Anyway, I've been onboard the 10 abreast seating and I don't think it was cramped. Why would airlines opt for the 9 abreast instead?

Most people find 10 abreast on a 777 cramped. Why fly on a 10-abreast 777 when plenty of airlines (by far the majority) use much more comfortable 9 abreast layouts?


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7675 times:



Quoting OD-BWH (Reply 3):
But they show it as 9 abreast on their website.. that's my point.

They have both: 77W with 9 abreast and 10 abreast. Both is shown on their cabin plans:
9: http://www.airfrance.fr/common/image.../en/B777300_nev_325pax_maxi_en.gif
10: http://www.airfrance.fr/common/image.../en/B777300_coi_472pax_maxi_en.gif

The difference is a whooping 150 pax, but that comes not only from the 10 abreast. The high density planes don't have a first and a much smaller business.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

Usually the 3x4x3 configuration are planes that are been used to replace B747CIO (caribbean and indian ocean) cofiguration, mainly for touristic destinations such, HAV, SDQ.........

User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7289 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 8):
They have both: 77W with 9 abreast and 10 abreast. Both is shown on their cabin plans:

Sometimes I wonder if it is useful to write on this board, as obviously some people post without reading previous answers.

As explained by AF Cabin Crew:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 5):
the problem is is that they never removed the 310 seat version of the 77W. …. Now that all 77W are in 3x4x3 they should remove the 310 seat 77W version.

So ALL 77W are in 3x4x3 config, and 772 are following (they will install a Y+ cabin, announced with 8 abreast, and downgrade the Y cabin to Y- with 10 abreast).

The problem being that AF website is bad regarding cabin maps, as well in terms of update (the 743 stayed years after they were removed from service, the 744 CIA are still there while they have all been converted back to the B747-400 Lignes Internationales if I am not mistaken!) as in terms of drawing quality. Just check the following seatmap to see what is a good quality map:

http://www.evaair.com/NR/rdonlyres/D...6-BC05-5C541D7E5A1B/0/B777_300.jpg

Note the 8 abreast in Y+ and 9 breast in Y.

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 8):
Usually the 3x4x3 configuration are planes that are been used to replace B747CIO (caribbean and indian ocean) configuration, mainly for touristic destinations such, HAV, SDQ.........

Initially only, as the 10 abreast config was indeed introduced on the specific CIO version with small business class.

But now there are in “normal” 77W which served the high yield routes, as they are the only AF aircrafts (with 772) with a first class cabin.
So if you have to go to a high yield route in Eco, you have a substandard level of comfort. Unfortunately all companies do not pay business for their staff !

Quoting OD-BWH (Thread starter):
Anyway, I've been onboard the 10 abreast seating and I don't think it was cramped.

Was the seat next to you free?

Because for me it is really cramped! And unlike EK they did not even give more pitch when reducing the seat width.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Why fly on a 10-abreast 777 when plenty of airlines (by far the majority) use much more comfortable 9 abreast layouts?

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