USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2911 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
Now that WN has opened up BOS and LGA. Could they ever start flights between ALB-BUF/LGA ,BUF-BOS/ALB/LGA/PVD? I don't think that they have enough LGA slots to start these services at the moment, but I'm sure WN could make these routes highly profitable.
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3111 times:
Well, look who's there bread and butter on the DAL-HOU route. So, in theory, they could make it work. However, given the short length, slot controls at LGA, and the fact that there's already a saturated market, I doubt it will happen in the foreseeable future.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
Quoting Cba (Reply 1): It'll be interesting to see how their operations at MHT are affected by opening BOS service. As far as the BOS-LGA market, this is very competitive with AA, DL and US running hourly shuttle services.
BUT, then again, WN pulls in a different type of traveler, so running a few daily frequencies could work.
It would be interesting to see BOS-LGA on WN. Amtrak recently cut come of their fares between Boston and New York so that is going to cut into the passenger numbers. People do pay high fares to fly between Boston and New York. I routinely pay $600-$650 r/t so WN would certainly bring down some of those fares for business passengers.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2941 times:
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2): Well, look who's there bread and butter on the DAL-HOU route.
Quoting B752OS (Reply 3): It would be interesting to see BOS-LGA on WN. Amtrak recently cut come of their fares between Boston and New York so that is going to cut into the passenger numbers. People do pay high fares to fly between Boston and New York. I routinely pay $600-$650 r/t so WN would certainly bring down some of those fares for business passengers.
Seems like Business Select fares on Southwest are actually a much better deal than full Y fares on some of the legacies... especially with the doubling of your rapid rewards credit. Business Select between HOU and DAL is normally less than $250 for a round trip... try getting AA or CO to match that...
If WN could get the necessary frequencies I'm sure they might be able to give the shuttle services a good run for their money.
But is there really a need for a route like BUF-ALB or ALB-LGA with such a large aircraft? US flies the route daily, I believe either 2x or 3x. You are pretty much looking for local O&D, because I wouldn't be flying it to connect.
ALB-LGA, no. Too short. Same for ALB-BUF. BUF-PVD is probably too small a market. BUF-LGA is probably down the list of priorities for LGA slots. I could see BUF-BOS happening, and BOS-LGA is possible if they were to get enough slots/gates at LGA.
Quoting Cba (Reply 4): Business Select between HOU and DAL is normally less than $250 for a round trip... try getting AA or CO to match that...
They do match WN -- but only because they'd have no traffic if they didn't match.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2399 times:
Quoting Cba (Reply 8): What I meant to say was, see if they can match that for a full Y fare. Business Select is the equivalent of full Y... but for $250 r/t HOU-DAL. Regular restricted coach is $49 per way plus tax.
Business Select gives you a bit more than full Y, since you get an alcoholic beverage, extra frequent flyer credit, and priority boarding. An elite passenger would probably manage to score an upgrade on AA or CO if the flight were mainline. AA and CO have refundable fares on that route that are around $250 -- but only because they have to match WN. If you want one of the last couple of seats on an AA or CO flight, it'll cost you about double what WN charges.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): OTOH, though, the closest they've come to operating a northeast shuttle is PHL-BDL, and that failed-- at least partially because they didn't schedule it really intelligently.
MHT-BWI and PVD-BWI aren't too far from being shuttle routes with roughly ten daily round-trips on each. WN started PHL-BDL with five daily round-trips, but the O&D traffic never grew much for them or for US. At peak PHL-BDL had about O&D passengers per day each way (PDEW) but by Q4 of 2008 saw fewer than 40 due to the high fares on US -- but most people were connecting. MHT-PHL and PVD-PHL grew to about twice the traffic of BDL-PHL and were kept.
DALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
I realy doubt the demand is there for these routes. When I worked for Mohawk in the early 90's we flew a lot of these routes; BUF-ALB, BUF-BOS, ALB-BOS, and these cities to HPN. We had a hard time filling a 19 pax plane. Same for NE Express flying under the NW colors.
Saddly the business market in most of the upstate NY markets is very weak.