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Will WN Ever Start Intra-NE Flights?  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3109 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Now that WN has opened up BOS and LGA. Could they ever start flights between ALB-BUF/LGA ,BUF-BOS/ALB/LGA/PVD? I don't think that they have enough LGA slots to start these services at the moment, but I'm sure WN could make these routes highly profitable.


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

It'll be interesting to see how their operations at MHT are affected by opening BOS service. As far as the BOS-LGA market, this is very competitive with AA, DL and US running hourly shuttle services.

BUT, then again, WN pulls in a different type of traveler, so running a few daily frequencies could work.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Well, look who's there bread and butter on the DAL-HOU route. So, in theory, they could make it work. However, given the short length, slot controls at LGA, and the fact that there's already a saturated market, I doubt it will happen in the foreseeable future.

User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3228 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 1):
It'll be interesting to see how their operations at MHT are affected by opening BOS service. As far as the BOS-LGA market, this is very competitive with AA, DL and US running hourly shuttle services.

BUT, then again, WN pulls in a different type of traveler, so running a few daily frequencies could work.

It would be interesting to see BOS-LGA on WN. Amtrak recently cut come of their fares between Boston and New York so that is going to cut into the passenger numbers. People do pay high fares to fly between Boston and New York. I routinely pay $600-$650 r/t so WN would certainly bring down some of those fares for business passengers.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3069 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2):
Well, look who's there bread and butter on the DAL-HOU route.



Quoting B752OS (Reply 3):
It would be interesting to see BOS-LGA on WN. Amtrak recently cut come of their fares between Boston and New York so that is going to cut into the passenger numbers. People do pay high fares to fly between Boston and New York. I routinely pay $600-$650 r/t so WN would certainly bring down some of those fares for business passengers.

Seems like Business Select fares on Southwest are actually a much better deal than full Y fares on some of the legacies... especially with the doubling of your rapid rewards credit. Business Select between HOU and DAL is normally less than $250 for a round trip... try getting AA or CO to match that...

If WN could get the necessary frequencies I'm sure they might be able to give the shuttle services a good run for their money.


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2990 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Could they ever start flights between ALB-BUF/LGA ,BUF-BOS/ALB/LGA/PVD?

Well, it's always possible.

But is there really a need for a route like BUF-ALB or ALB-LGA with such a large aircraft? US flies the route daily, I believe either 2x or 3x. You are pretty much looking for local O&D, because I wouldn't be flying it to connect.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2988 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Could they ever start flights between ALB-BUF/LGA ,BUF-BOS/ALB/LGA/PVD?

ALB-LGA, no. Too short. Same for ALB-BUF. BUF-PVD is probably too small a market. BUF-LGA is probably down the list of priorities for LGA slots. I could see BUF-BOS happening, and BOS-LGA is possible if they were to get enough slots/gates at LGA.

Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
Business Select between HOU and DAL is normally less than $250 for a round trip... try getting AA or CO to match that...

They do match WN -- but only because they'd have no traffic if they didn't match.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5504 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

I think the proposed high speed rail network will arrive before very many intra-New England WN routes do; and for a city pair like BUF-ALB, rail actually makes sense.


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2851 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
Business Select between HOU and DAL is normally less than $250 for a round trip... try getting AA or CO to match that...

They do match WN -- but only because they'd have no traffic if they didn't match.

What I meant to say was, see if they can match that for a full Y fare. Business Select is the equivalent of full Y... but for $250 r/t HOU-DAL. Regular restricted coach is $49 per way plus tax.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2825 times:



Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2):
Well, look who's there bread and butter on the DAL-HOU route. So, in theory, they could make it work.

I agree. OTOH, though, the closest they've come to operating a northeast shuttle is PHL-BDL, and that failed-- at least partially because they didn't schedule it really intelligently.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
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LOL! I had to read this thread to make sure you were definitely talking about the Northeast and Nebraska.

User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2527 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 8):
What I meant to say was, see if they can match that for a full Y fare. Business Select is the equivalent of full Y... but for $250 r/t HOU-DAL. Regular restricted coach is $49 per way plus tax.

Business Select gives you a bit more than full Y, since you get an alcoholic beverage, extra frequent flyer credit, and priority boarding. An elite passenger would probably manage to score an upgrade on AA or CO if the flight were mainline. AA and CO have refundable fares on that route that are around $250 -- but only because they have to match WN. If you want one of the last couple of seats on an AA or CO flight, it'll cost you about double what WN charges.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
OTOH, though, the closest they've come to operating a northeast shuttle is PHL-BDL, and that failed-- at least partially because they didn't schedule it really intelligently.

MHT-BWI and PVD-BWI aren't too far from being shuttle routes with roughly ten daily round-trips on each. WN started PHL-BDL with five daily round-trips, but the O&D traffic never grew much for them or for US. At peak PHL-BDL had about O&D passengers per day each way (PDEW) but by Q4 of 2008 saw fewer than 40 due to the high fares on US -- but most people were connecting. MHT-PHL and PVD-PHL grew to about twice the traffic of BDL-PHL and were kept.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2447 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
MHT-PHL and PVD-PHL grew to about twice the traffic of BDL-PHL and were kept.

I guess the question, then, is whether they could grow these BUF markets enough to make them work. With B6 already in BUF-NYC and BUF-BOS, my guess is no.



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2574 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I realy doubt the demand is there for these routes. When I worked for Mohawk in the early 90's we flew a lot of these routes; BUF-ALB, BUF-BOS, ALB-BOS, and these cities to HPN. We had a hard time filling a 19 pax plane. Same for NE Express flying under the NW colors.

Saddly the business market in most of the upstate NY markets is very weak.


User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I bet they could make BOS-ISP work......

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