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World Applies For Scheduled Svc Authority IAH-LAD  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24884 posts, RR: 46
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

World Airways has applied with the DOT to commence scheduled service between Houston and Luanda, Angola 3x weekly effective May 1, 2010.

Basically the carrier would convert its existing SonAir "Houston Express" charter flights to Angola into scheduled service operations and be able to market the seats directly to the general public.

OST-2009-0146


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3924 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Wow that's good news. I have heard rumors about the LAD run being marketed to the public, but nothing that I could verify.

So, save for service to Australiasia (Oceania), IAH will have N/S services to 5 of the 6 continents.

Thomas

[Edited 2009-06-24 17:36:54]


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6328 times:
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Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 1):
So, save for service to Australiasia (Oceania), IAH will have N/S services to 5 of the 6 continents.

Thomas

To be technical, there are 7 continents.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

Good news indeed.

But why now?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

The thing that needs to be remembered is the slim likelihood that Angola will grant scheduled traffic rights. It was denied to Delta; no reason to believe it will be approved here, at least not until TAAG is flying to the United States.


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3924 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6338 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
To be technical, there are 7 continents.

I had a bet as to how long someone would make that comment, I said 10 minutes, my buddy said 20, looks like I win. I left out Antarctica, intentionally. I suspect if I had quoted "7 Continents", some smart a** would have said something to the effect...."When did Antarctica get an airport". Sometimes you just can't win.

Thomas



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6116 times:
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Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
I had a bet as to how long someone would make that comment, I said 10 minutes, my buddy said 20, looks like I win. I left out Antarctica, intentionally. I suspect if I had quoted "7 Continents", some smart a** would have said something to the effect...."When did Antarctica get an airport". Sometimes you just can't win.

Thomas

LOL, glad I could assist your win. Maybe You could lobby for an IAH-McMurdo ice airfield nonstop. LOL



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User currently offlineCaptseth From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

I believe the Sonair contract in in play and this application is an attempt at some sort of strategic move.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

I've tried several times to fly standby on this flight to no avail; maybe that'll change soon Smile


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Intresting news regarding World!!! Certianly isn't a bad thing for them.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5759 times:



Quoting Captseth (Reply 7):
I believe the Sonair contract in in play and this application is an attempt at some sort of strategic move.

Could be.

However without SonAir's support and ability to fill most of the seats, I don't see how World has a chance in hell to make this work on its own.

The last attempt by World to do scheduled service was in the mid 90s, when it ran to Tel Aviv and Johannesburg from New York and flopped within months. Basically such stand alone operations really dont have much chance these days in a world where alliances and FF benefits greatly influence peoples decision making.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

CaptSeth is probably right on; this contract typically announces a renewal somewhere in June-ish.

It's an awesome config in the a/c, and assuming the service and catering are comparable, it's a real competitor to flying through a conx in Europe for those who work for a company that can get them onboard.

Selling seats to the public on the flight might change the character of the clubby on-board experience, but perhaps not much insofar as most people who could afford to fly it would be going on business at their company's expense.

Interesting that World is confident enough in the service to take the risk of filling the seats, which is now borne by Sonair.

[Edited 2009-06-25 00:26:05]

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5660 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):

To be technical, there are 7 continents.

That's because you guys are North Americans. To the rest of the world, there are only 5 continents. Remember to the rest of the world the American continent starts in Alaska and ends in Argentina!  Wink


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6304 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5599 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Basically such stand alone operations really dont have much chance these days in a world where alliances and FF benefits greatly influence peoples decision making.

I do not necessarily think that would go along with this situation. The Houston to Luanda route is such a nice market that people would be more than willing to fly nonstop on a carrier such as World rather than have to go through Europe just to get miles. Sure, some will do that, but I think in this case they will be fine as a stand alone operation...then again, I could be wrong.

I am actually kind of excited...it would be an interesting, new way to get from my current home in Kansas City to my real home in Namibia!


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5577 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 2):
To be technical, there are 7 continents.

Actually, there is more than one interpretation.


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5541 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
The thing that needs to be remembered is the slim likelihood that Angola will grant scheduled traffic rights. It was denied to Delta; no reason to believe it will be approved here, at least not until TAAG is flying to the United States.

Am I misunderstanding, or is World Airways *returning* to scheduled air service IAH-LAD?

I have an old TACV timetable that shows that service as being IAH-SID-LAD with an MD11.
This really isn't a *new* route.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5503 times:



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 15):
Am I misunderstanding, or is World Airways *returning* to scheduled air service IAH-LAD?

I have an old TACV timetable that shows that service as being IAH-SID-LAD with an MD11.
This really isn't a *new* route.

You got it a little confused doc...the flight has been operating consistently; however, SonAir has been the charter operator of the World aircraft. World is applying to continue operating the service with the ability to publicly sell seats as a scheduled service vs. scheduled charter.



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5479 times:

Errr correct me if i'm wrong but...

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 5):
"When did Antarctica get an airport".

Um...well actually it does...of sorts with an ice runway, an organisation here in oz (cant remember what exactly off the top of my head, but something to do with antarctic research division) do flights between HBA and Antarctica with an A319...

Sorry a tad off topic...

What aircraft would World put on this service IAH-LAD?



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5463 times:



Quoting 747m8te (Reply 17):

MD11. Thats all they have in a pax configuration besides a couple of DC10's.

KH



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2856 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5457 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
able to market the seats directly to the general public.

You don't have too many Americans flocking to Angola for vacation, and you don't have too many Angolans with the money to fly, much less vacation in the U.S.....

I imagine the vast majority of traffic to/from Angola is oil industry related and already uses these flights. I don't see how even the marketing costs could be recouped with public sales, but who am I to know....maybe Angola is the next up-and-coming vacation destination  Wink



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1363 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5415 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I've tried several times to fly standby on this flight to no avail;

Its a private charter, you wouldn't be able to go standby on it anyways.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Currently you can get United FFlyer miles while flying this route.

Would UA send pax to this flight if it goes public? Do UA and World have some sort of marketing agreement?

To piggyback on what others have said, this flight is not "new"; it has been around since 2000. All this change would do is allow the public to hop on board. When I was in the energy business full time I had colleagues take this flight and they enjoyed it very much. The Consulate of Angola in Houston has a staff member dedicated to processing visas just for the travel this flight generates.

Read more here:
http://www.sonairsarl.com/houstonExpress_en.shtml



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5300 times:



Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 20):
Its a private charter, you wouldn't be able to go standby on it anyways.

Not necessarily, the flight is generally wide open and charter clients are sometimes open to standbys if they ask nicely and/or pay a fee.



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1363 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5256 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):

Not necessarily, the flight is generally wide open and charter clients are sometimes open to standbys if they ask nicely and/or pay a fee.

Given that Sonair doesn't even like having World employees that are working in LAD ride the plane without prior notice and approval from Sonair, that even goes for the mechanics and ground reps who are going to turn the aircraft once it arrives! They are very very particular on who gets on the plane...


User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

With the Texas economy strongly attached to the Oil industry, I can see this flight doing quite well. And since we here in CRP have a good amount of pax who connect to that flt, it would be smart to let it go to scheduled service. And when I say pax are connecting to that flt, they still have to pick up their baggage and re-check them, for the time being. WO would have strong connecting traffic from an number of CO cities. Including, ANC,YYC,YEG, and other western oil cities in the U.S. and Canada. I would love to see it go scheduled, it would make travel easier for those, who already p/u that flight in IAH.
Good luck WO!

JD CRPXE



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25 MaverickM11 : Clearly. I didn't even get an email response:-(
26 Atomsareenough : By 5 continents, do you mean: The Americas, Eurasia, Africa, Oceania, and Antarctica?
27 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : a blurb from the new york times listing prices in 2003 for a r/t flight Houston-Luanda: "The airline is backed by Sonair, the aviation subsidiary of A
28 Cba : I've seen this plane on the ramp from time to time... what terminal does it depart and arrive from? I am assuming D? Or does it have a completely sepa
29 Drerx7 : It operates out of D - I've seen it at D12 and D10 or so a few times. I've also seen it on hardstand at D and at FedEx.
30 777ER : Since scientific research started there many years ago. McMurdo gets A319s, USAF and RNZAF aircraft
31 MAH4546 : That is not true. The seven continent model is not exclusive to North America. It is taught in most of the English-speaking world and China. Some par
32 Beeweel15 : I could have worked but there was virtually no kind of marketing and the departure times out of EWR ment that cargo especially to TLV could not be ca
33 IAirAllie : Because WO just lost the Sonair contract WO does have a working relationship with Angola already.
34 Drerx7 : Well...who has the contract now? Why did they lose it?
35 IAirAllie : WO has it until next year in May. I think it was Atlas that got it? WO was outbid and Sonair wanted their crews and pilots. Basically they just wanted
36 Post contains links Wjcandee : If that's correct, then it was renewed again this year, as it expires each year in May. Last June, it was announced that it had been renewed until 20
37 Flyer732 : Sonair wants a 747, and they want to put two of their own pilots in the cockpit. Thus Atlas would just put two pilots into a pax 744...Sonair does th
38 Wjcandee : I'm a little confused. Where does the purported pax 747 come from, and on whose certificate will it run? While I'm sure that some arrangement can be m
39 IAirAllie : Yeah well one of the sticking points is they want to use their own FA's. So that fits. I'm pretty sure it is Atlas that got it I do know it was an al
40 Wjcandee : Thanks for the info. I can see why World thinks it can compete with this from a safety and service perspective if it ran the service as a scheduled f
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