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US Federal Bill To Limit Carry On Size  
User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

http://www.ajc.com/search/content//b.../carry_on_luggage_legislation.html


I didn't see this discussed yet. Federal bill would limit US carry on bag size to 22 x 18 x 10. Bill would leave it up to TSA to police.

I think this is a horrible idea. I pack according to the size of plane I'm on and almost always carry on, even though I can check bags for free being elite.

I bring a different bag for a 737 vs an A320 cause the A320 has a bigger bin. Likewise, if I'm on a 777, you have a huge bin and I bring a large bag with no inconvenience to others.

Another example is if I upgraded, then I have the luxury of also bringing a huge bag without any space issue.

Thoughts?

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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

If the airlines simply enforced their own standards better, there wouldn't be a problem.

Sometimes a bill is not seriously introduced in Congress, but merely as a shot across the bow to the industry - if you don't do a better job of handling this yourself, then we'll get involved and make it all worse (a single standard and adding to the TSA workload are just silly ideas). I don't see this particular bill going anywhere, but it may serve a purpose by getting people talking about it.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8698 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
Federal bill would limit US carry on bag size to 22 x 18 x 10.

I guess it is not as bad as it sounds.
DL carry-on size is 22x14x6. I guess the same as the above limits.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8674 times:

This is one of those deals where either one of the Congressman's constituents got ticked off on their last trip when they couldn't find any space for their bags OR it happened to the Congressman, himself.

And, WHY should the TSA police this? Aren't they the Transportation SECURITY Administration? What does that have to do with security? I can only imagine how long and slow the lines would get if this went into effect.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

I also believe this is a pretty lame idea as several carriers like Continental very much want people to carry on as much as possible and have have spent millions in recent years getting larger bins on planes.

Less carry ons = More ramp staff, more lost baggage = higher cost.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8620 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 3):
I can only imagine how long and slow the lines would get if this went into effect.

And if TSA was left to enforce it you'd have the case of never knowing what size bag you were really allowed to bring on any particular day until you got to the airport under the guise of keeping terrorists guessing.

I never carry anything but my laptop (which goes under the seat in front of me) on and I couldn't really care one way or the other as long as security lines move at a decent clip.



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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Another Congressman that is wasting time and effort on stupid over regulating ideas, instead of focusing on the very real and pressing problems that plague our country.

This jerk should be thrown out of office (along with 99% of his colleagues in the legislature).


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8566 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):

The opening and final sentence from the article web-link says it all IMHO:

Airline fees for checked bags are yielding an unintended consequence that’s adding to the hassle of travel: Some travelers are lugging bigger bags onto planes, crowding overhead bins and slowing the boarding process.
...
Lipinski, a member of the House transportation subcommittee on aviation, is also working on a proposal to limit checked baggage fees charged by airlines, Zimmer said.


Looks like there's now a known impact regarding baggage fees (especially for the first checked item) that have been imposed over the past year.



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

YES! Finally! One standard for ALL air lines.... I never knew why the TSA can't stop
the bags at security, rather than the agents dealing with it at the gate. This
is a big plus for agents and F/A's !

Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
I bring a different bag for a 737 vs an A320 cause the A320 has a bigger bin. Likewise, if I'm on a 777, you have a huge bin and I bring a large bag with no inconvenience to others.

Another example is if I upgraded, then I have the luxury of also bringing a huge bag without any space issue.

You have to remember its NOT the size of the bins. It is the size the carriers submit to the
FAA. That is the size they must use. I usually hear "but it fits" and the answer is 'so can I" thats not the point. One size for everyone.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8528 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 8):
I never knew why the TSA can't stop
the bags at security, rather than the agents dealing with it at the gate

Uh, because it isn't their job. They are not there to by the size-police, they are there to protect against crimes. They do not work for the airlines, and thus do not have a responsibility to the airlines to be their watchful eyes for baggage size.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8495 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 10):
Uh, because it isn't their job. They are not there to by the size-police, they are there to protect against crimes. They do not work for the airlines, and thus do not have a responsibility to the airlines to be their watchful eyes for baggage size.

Actually, at some airports, they already do. Someone help me here but I seem to remember one or two airports where DL had a size template set up on the screening conveyer. If it didn't clear the template, it was too large for a carry on.



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User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8363 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 12):
Actually, at some airports, they already do. Someone help me here but I seem to remember one or two airports where DL had a size template set up on the screening conveyer. If it didn't clear the template, it was too large for a carry on.

In Europe, we have these templates at evry check-in desks (at least for AF & LH).
The problem is : it is not enforced by employees and as a result, when the flight is full, it's a mess at the end of the boarding!



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8290 times:



Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 13):
In Europe, we have these templates at evry check-in desks (at least for AF & LH).
The problem is : it is not enforced by employees and as a result, when the flight is full, it's a mess at the end of the boarding!

DL used to have those at the ticket counters, too, but I don't think they are there any longer.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8249 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
I also believe this is a pretty lame idea as several carriers like Continental very much want people to carry on as much as possible and have have spent millions in recent years getting larger bins on planes.

CO does not allow for anything larger than that anyway. This is the size of the "standard" rollerboard.

What really is annoying is that this isn''t the job of the feds. it's just one more tiny attempt to centralize control of everything in our country. TSA existing is one thing, because the security of aircraft is important and the private security companies who were faking background checks and hiring illegal aliens were dropping the ball. But the size of carry on luggage can be monitored by the airlines. There is no security issue with a 12" thick carry on getting on a plane if an airline allows it.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 12):
Actually, at some airports, they already do. Someone help me here but I seem to remember one or two airports where DL had a size template set up on the screening conveyer. If it didn't clear the template, it was too large for a carry on.

This was the airport, not the airline, and it was pre-TSA days. Then, it was a private security company hired by the airport, and it was within the rights of the airport to ask this private company to do this.

Airlines like CO got very angry and the gates were removed, because CO allowed for larger luggage and spent money on their aircraft to fit it, and CO felt that through pressure of AA and DL, airports were systematically removing the CO advantage, harming the consumer in the process.



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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8221 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
But the size of carry on luggage can be monitored by the airlines.

And yet, it isn't. The TSA should have nothing to do with it, but the airlines need to do a better job of enforcing their own rules.

Instead, we see all this:

- people crowding like vultures around the gate area, waiting to run up when their seating area gets called. I can never tell who's in line and who's hovering and clogging up the area.

- people putting their oversized bags into the first bin they see

- delays, as the FAs have to sort it all out before the plane can push back

These are real issues, and while it should not be for the government to regulate (and I highly doubt Congress will act on it), I wish the airlines did something about it.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

I'm all for ANY regulation of carryon luggage, it's completely out of hand and the airlines have NOT done their jobs enforcing it... they leave i tup to us in the cabin since we have unlimited time and copious amounts of space.

I say, bring back hat racks.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8134 times:



Quoting Tharanga (Reply 16):
And yet, it isn't. The TSA should have nothing to do with it, but the airlines need to do a better job of enforcing their own rules.

But why is it the business of the government if an airline doesn't? This is the part that some people don't seem to get. If the airline wants to allow a larger bag, they can. If they want to deal with overhead bins that are full, that's their choice. If they want to only allow 1 personal item and no other bags, they can.

And this is very, VERY important for certain people, like professionals who have to bring tools or samples with them. Instruments, tennis rackets, whatever. If the TSA isn't allowed to let anything through, then the airline has no discretion. Right now, many airlines allow for outsized carry ons in special circumstances that involve liability.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8106 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 3):
And, WHY should the TSA police this? Aren't they the Transportation SECURITY Administration? What does that have to do with security?

You're right, it has nothing to do with security at all. My personal suspicion is that certain airlines that fly older planes that don't have the newer, larger bins want to be able to tell passengers "sorry, it's not us, it's the law..." Sort of like the way being able to announce "the TSA says you can't use the first-class lavatory" makes it easier for the airlines, instead of having to say "these people up here paid a lot of money or miles, or give us tons of business every year, so they get one set aside for them."

This is another example of "mission creep" for the TSA, same as some Representatives saying that they support the full-body scanners not just for airline security, but so screeners can look for drugs and such. I don't want TSA looking for drugs, that's not what we have a TSA for.

As long as it fits in the X-ray machine, that's all TSA should be concerned with.

And maybe Congress could do something more constructive, like restructure the FAA so we get a 21st century ATC system (or spin off ATC into a utility like NavCanada) in time for the first Earth-Vulcan flight.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 12):
Actually, at some airports, they already do. Someone help me here but I seem to remember one or two airports where DL had a size template set up on the screening conveyer.

Don't remember DL having a size template on the X-ray, but I believe UA did at DEN at one point, until CO sued to have it removed, since they had bigger bins and wanted their customers to be able to bring on bigger bags.

Quoting CokePopper (Reply 8):
YES! Finally! One standard for ALL air lines....

If an airline puts in bigger bins to offer their customers a larger carry-on size, why should they be limited by their competitors' unwillingness to give their customers what they want?


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

If those are indeed going to be the maximum dimensions, then I will need a new camera bag. Or I could give the camera bag to the bag smashers.... not!


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8048 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Thread starter):
I bring a different bag for a 737 vs an A320 cause the A320 has a bigger bin. Likewise, if I'm on a 777, you have a huge bin and I bring a large bag with no inconvenience to others.

I can't recall any airlines specifying different dimensions for their largest acceptable carry-ons based on aircraft type. What airline does that, reference your A320 and 777 comments? Or are you saying that the carrier you are flying on doesn't enforce their own rules?

The carriers I usually fly on often have more liberal carry-on rules in the premium classes, but that's normally a question of the number of pieces, not the maximum dimensions or maximum weights which are the same for all classes of service.


User currently offlineMASTYC From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8016 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
Quoting Mayor (Reply 12):
Actually, at some airports, they already do. Someone help me here but I seem to remember one or two airports where DL had a size template set up on the screening conveyer. If it didn't clear the template, it was too large for a carry on.

This was the airport, not the airline, and it was pre-TSA days. Then, it was a private security company hired by the airport, and it was within the rights of the airport to ask this private company to do this.



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 19):

Don't remember DL having a size template on the X-ray, but I believe UA did at DEN at one point, until CO sued to have it removed, since they had bigger bins and wanted their customers to be able to bring on bigger bags.

At some airports this is still done, DCA being the most obvious I can think of. TSA regularly sends passengers back to airline ticket counters for oversize bags. I've personally witnessed them do this 3-4 times and heard numerous complaints from people on the flights there.

DEN did have a template on the beginning of their x-ray machine and the airlines complained about it so much that they removed it. Of course this is when they didn't charge for bags and wanted everything carried on the planes. TSA is still very much a part of the baggage checkpoint system. It goes ticket counter, TSA, gate agent, F/A. If you get your bag past all these people then you are good. TSA looks at carry on size as a security issue as does the FAA as those agencies only want items in the cabin that will be needed in the cabin.


User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8005 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):


But why is it the business of the government if an airline doesn't?


It is not the business of the government, and I never said it was.

I'm simply saying that the airlines should recognise the effects of their policies, or the failure to enforce their own policies.

Maybe the airlines simply don't care, as nobody stops flying an airline because the boarding process is messy (well, I'm wary of WN, but that's a different matter). In fact, the airlines would probably annoy more people by being strict than by being lax. You never make everybody happy.

I suppose the airlines would really only care if a significant number of flights were arriving late because of delays during boarding.


User currently offlineLuv08 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

Finally, Congress is doing something productive. Now all of the passengers out there, which there are a lot of who bring oversized bags amomg other things aboard the aircraft will now have to check it. As a ramp employee either way I have to touch the bag! Now instead of being call up stairs to carry a 50 pd carry on down stairs, they can check it.in. Since most airlines charge maybe they will leave the crap at home. Most of it is stuff you can get at a local Walmart wherever your travelling to. Although I will miss all the spoiled passengers who fight with the F/A's and try to sneak on board with these carry ons! Way to go congress!

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7939 times:



Quoting Luv08 (Reply 24):
Finally, Congress is doing something productive. Now all of the passengers out there, which there are a lot of who bring oversized bags amomg other things aboard the aircraft will now have to check it. As a ramp employee either way I have to touch the bag! Now instead of being call up stairs to carry a 50 pd carry on down stairs, they can check it.in. Since most airlines charge maybe they will leave the crap at home. Most of it is stuff you can get at a local Walmart wherever your travelling to. Although I will miss all the spoiled passengers who fight with the F/A's and try to sneak on board with these carry ons! Way to go congress!

Well maybe if your company's check-in agents would do their job of screening the passenger's carry-on at check-in to comply with your company's carry-on rules, then you wouldn't be having that problem. What, no check-in agents? Well maybe then you can blame it on your cheap management. Either way, it is your company's rule and your company should bear the cost of enforcing it. That way the rest of us citizens wouldn't have to pay increased taxes to have TSA employees enforce your company's carry-on standards.


User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7962 times:



Quoting MASTYC (Reply 22):
TSA looks at carry on size as a security issue as does the FAA as those agencies only want items in the cabin that will be needed in the cabin.

Source Please.

This sounds absolutely ridiculous, the FAA has safety concerns with bags blocking access to the aisles and emergency exits for evacuation of aircraft if necessary. Otherwise they could not careless if your underwear and a change of clothes are in your carryon. ( I am not talking about items that are illegal to have onboard an aircraft, such as handguns, etc.)

The TSA is an absolute nightmare in most cities, the last thing we need is them now regulating our carry on bags. Who is proposing this bill some politician who could not bring his 3-4 carry ons on the plane and figures if everyone else had a smaller bag then his would fit. After all most of them think the laws apply to them anyway.

Sorry for the rant, but as a former agent, if I have issues with carry on bags at departure time, it is my fault for not stopping it BEFORE they board the aircraft. Provided the F/A does not go behind me and tell the pax to try to see if it fits, as I have had done to me numerous times.

MD


25 N917ME : I agree 100%. Most of who you hear complain are the same people trying to shove a 50lb bag in a 20lb hole. I can't even count the number of upset pas
26 Contrails : Agreed. Agreed. I've seen people bring bags onto planes that were very obviously bigger than the maximum size. The bill, btw, currently has no co-spo
27 Tharanga : This is how I see it. What I'm hearing here is that the airline employees want somebody else to be the bad guy who has to deal with passengers who re
28 Ikramerica : No, we aren't. We care about limiting the powers of the federal government, however. Why not have the feds also monitor the enforcement of policies a
29 MSYPI7185 : We have a WINNER!!!
30 Meta : That makes absolutely no sense. So when your traveling the first stop after leaving the airport is to go find a walmart, so you can waste money buyin
31 SPREE34 : A nightmare looking for a place to happen.
32 AirNZ : Since when have they taken over the role of a police force?
33 USAIRWAYS321 : Only the made-up ones...
34 Cokepopper : Your correct Mayor. We had one at LGA,EWR and SAN. Maybe a couple of others. SAN became a problem because we shared with CO and that was a problem fo
35 ABQopsHP : I will say this. I think CO allows for obscene carry ons, and when they connect to a COex flight it becomes a gate check. Now that gate checked bag ar
36 DL767captain : This might not be needed for people like you but the amount of people I see trying to bring a huge back onto a CRJ and get pissed off when it doesn't
37 ABQopsHP : I agree with DL767captain. And besides how many people out there really know what type of a/c they are flying on? JD CRPXE
38 Prinair : I believe that there should be one standard size and it should be enforced at the security checkpoint. People have become very spoiled when it comes t
39 Ikramerica : What nerve. People gate check with the assurance the item will be waiting for them at the other end and not treated to the brutality of the luggage s
40 DLPMMM : It looks like most all of the posters here that are in favor of such a measure are the very same front line airline employees that should be the ones
41 Mayor : I don't know how the other regionals handle it working with other airlines, but with DL, if your bag is too large, you check it planeside and then rec
42 Lightsaber : As a customer, I will sometimes pick an airline based on the allowed carry on size. Why is that being legislated away? I always travel with a laptop a
43 CokePopper : Company's policy, true. BUT its an FAA rule. The FAA dictates to the Air Line that they have to have a policy and the airline comes up with one that
44 Mayor : It's not a law, yet.....just a bill put forth by some poor, misguided congressman. With all the other stuff going on, it's doubtful that it will even
45 DLPMMM : Please show where the FAA dictates that the airlines must have a carry-on size regulation. I cannot find any such FAA regulation. The FAA dictates th
46 Airbazar : I fully support it. Now that airlines are charging for checked luggage, it's gotten ridiculous. If you're unlucky to be in the last 1/3 to board, you'
47 USAirALB : Wow, this is just as stupid as the shock bracelet all pax would have to wear while flying..
48 CokePopper : I am sure its written somewhere. The Air Line will, and does get fined from the FAA if they are found in "non compliance".
49 DLPMMM : I have seen guitars, wedding dresses, and other fragile oversized items that airlines have regularly allowed as carry-ons. If this was a finable FAA
50 0NEWAIR0 : It's the airlines' job to montitor luggage size. The TSA exists for one purpose and one purpous only.... to make sure there is nothing DANGEROUS insid
51 PHLBOS : I find it very interesting that most of the posts here deal with the WHAT (oversize carry-ons) but not the WHY of it all (checked baggage fees). While
52 JAL : This bill is ridiculous! I hope it doesn't pass!
53 Mayor : This is merely a business decision. The government has no right to dictate to the airlines how they run their businesses, as long as it's not illegal
54 Airbazar : I'd much rather the government spend my tax dollars in ensuring that my travels are confortable rather than the trillion $$$ they're spending on some
55 CokePopper : Of course it happens, doesn't mean that if they FAA was there and found that Delta was not complying, they would get fined. BTW guitars are allowed o
56 Post contains links DLPMMM : Here is the FAA circular. The airline must have a policy, but as far as the FAA is concerned, it is only related to flight safety. Any size the airli
57 Mayor : You just never know when there's a pesky FAA inspector hanging around. I still think that the agents at the counter need to do a better job of enforc
58 PHLBOS : I guess I should've emphasized the would if in my earlier post. However, you need to re-read other parts of my earlier-post. In principle, I agree wi
59 Mayor : Oh, I agree with you, for the most part. Right or wrong, though, it is the airlines' decision and not one that should be forced on them by the govern
60 CokePopper : Again, the Airline must submit their rules to the FAA. If said Airline doesn't follow the rules they submitted ,then they are subject to a fine from t
61 Post contains links DLPMMM : Shenanigans. Please show me a single fine handed out by the FAA to any airline over the size of carry on baggage. All the fines I have found were for
62 Luv08 : I will get flamed for this one but I have heard enough... Passengers are sneaky! I can't tell you how many times I have worked the ticket counter and
63 DLPMMM : I have no problem with what you do with your customers or what your company carry on and checked baggage policies are. Send their bags to Timbuktu fo
64 Luv08 : True but customers find a way to get around the system. If we can't see the carry ons we can't police it. Right now there are only about 2 types of cu
65 DLPMMM : NO. If customers can find a way around your company's system, then your company needs to either fix their system, or fix their policies. There are mo
66 Mayor : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that this is something put forward by the airlines, but one lone member of the House of Representatives.
67 DLPMMM : Correct. The statement was addressing an individual poster that seemed to think it should be TSA's responsibility since TSA's employees "don't do muc
68 Luv08 : LOL!!!! Ok, so let's take the kiosks out.... Ok! Then it gives customers like you reason to complain MORE!!! Passengers no matter what an airline does
69 WNCrew : Unless you ARE a crew, or check-in agent, I suggest you not assume you actually know anything to the contrary of what was posted. I have had FAA CSI'
70 DLPMMM : Quite simple. 1. Your company could clearly delineate the baggage and carry on rules to the customer in clear english at the time of ticket purchase.
71 Luv08 : Forget it man! You don't get it! We sure need people like you running our airlines! LOL! I would give you a week and you would be calling that Senator
72 CokePopper : We just need the templates back. Security had no problem with it in the stations that Delta tried it out in. It was CO that had a problem in SAN. Agai
73 PRINAIR : Use the template system and there is no additional cost. If the bag does not fit, the passenger just goes back to the counter to check the bag in. Als
74 Mayor : Oh, but you know as well as I do that many, many frequent travellers are this way. If they can circumvent the system, they will. There are many peopl
75 AirNZ : Why should it? I see no correlation at all between what is a standard size for carry-on baggage and any fee an airline is free to impose on anything
76 DLPMMM : So it was weight and not size, and it was safety WRT the manufacturer specifications. Thank you, you have just bolstered my point. Size of the carry
77 Us330 : I am willing to bet the latter rather than the former. After all, wasn't it McCain that led the charge to get the bill passed that allowed DCA perime
78 AirNZ : DLPMMM I have diligently read through your comments, and have only found complaint after complaint about 'facts' which are basically nothing more than
79 Mayor : Thank you. The frequent travellers are the worst of the bunch and, like I stated before, they only read or hear what the airline is telling them if i
80 CokePopper : I think you may be a bit confused or you just don't get it. With the template at the security machine, if it doesn't fit, then they DIRECT the custom
81 DLPMMM : I gave that very specifically, but apparently you did not read as dilligently. Just because the airline is too cheap to hire the requisite number of
82 CokePopper : Your kidding right? You are creating things that are just not correct. The security at the time (NOT TSA, as I believe this was before 9/11) didn't h
83 CokePopper : I will ignore that. Again the FAA dictates that the Airlines have a bag policy, and oversees that they are enforcing said policy.
84 Ckfred : Part o fthe problem is the damned baggage fees. My wife just flew from PIT to ORD on a UA A320. She couldn't believe how big the bags are that people
85 Luv08 : If this is true..... This is very scary after reading your posts on here!!! LOL! LMAO!!!! Stop! I'm rolling on the floor here! Not a chance!!!! Not a
86 SkyguyB727 : Keep in mind that it is an FAA regulation, not any airline regulation, that limits each passenger to one piece of handbaggage plus a purse, briefcase
87 DLPMMM : This is really simple, yet you still don't get it. You really don't understand? Security was privately contracted by the airlines at the time. The ai
88 SkyguyB727 : TSA is not even allowed to respond or take action when there are unattended bags in the airport. They leave that to the airport police.
89 Mayor : Not all of them. In smaller cities, many of the screeners are contracted out by the TSA. I call BS. It's the more frequent travellers, that are more
90 Ikramerica : This was done to make security checks easier for the TSA, after the feds took over screening. Airlines like CO did not like it, but it was understand
91 PHLBOS : You need to re-read the opening sentence of the article in question (Bold emphasis added): Airline fees for checked bags are yielding an unintended c
92 Brilondon : AA does this when they have full flights but when the flight is not full they, AA, will do their best. If they have to gate check you luggage you bet
93 Ikramerica : No, 10" thick is the limiting factor, and that is not big. My foot is longer than that! So you could have a 12" cube camera bag (holding a camera and
94 Mayor : Is it true what they say about big feet?? Or is that big hands??
95 Bond007 : Isn't this MORE than some domestic US airlines now? It certainly is for DL! Well, they have a mandate to ensure that the airline enforces it's carry-
96 Ckfred : This is the problem, uneven enforcement by TSA. My wife once tried to go through security, I believe in the elite/first class line at PIT with a roll
97 Jfklucky777 : Working for an international airline at JFK, I can say this news is terrific! We have a lot of inbound traffic from AA,DL,UA, and NW who allow their p
98 Bond007 : Well, we've been gate checking 'normal' sized carry-ons on RJs for years... simply because they don't fit, and the process is designed around that pr
99 Mayor : If those people are re-checking their bags (which your post makes it sound like) I think you'll find that those passengers are not being truthful wit
100 AirNZ : Yep, agree completely. My comment was in relation to a claim that the Federal govt has no role in this matter. Aren't you somewhat mistaken here? The
101 Jfklucky777 : Those passengers' checkin luggage is already though-checked onto our airline. They arrive at the checkin desks with their carryon bags that AA/UA/US/
102 Alphascan : If Congessman Lipinsky thinks he would make a good airline manager, let him apply like everyone else. The Congress is not the place from which to run
103 Ikramerica : Not exactly. Most airlines go by the "linear measurement" rule, but also provide a maximum rollerboard dimension which can be 9 or 10" thick. But, th
104 Mayor : Well, here's DL's allowance for carryon baggage, so 35 lbs is under their limit. Size and Weight Restrictions If your carry-on bag doesn't meet these
105 Ikramerica : Again, it is not a LAW, but a RULE, and there is DISCRETION when an airline is in charge of enforcing it. A federal law has no discretion. What part
106 Mayor : Hey, read my other posts on this matter. I am in no way in favor of this proposal.......I was merely quoting DL's carry one rules. It appears that DL
107 OOer : How about just charging people to bring carryon items on planes? It burns extra fuel just like checked bags. Allow 1 free small personal item such as
108 Ckfred : How about charging a fare that pays for things like checked and reasonable carry-on bags? After all, people have to bring baggage. We're in the day w
109 Jfklucky777 : Again, the need for a standardized carryon baggage allowance. If airline X allows 35 lbs and airline Y allows 15 lbs that in the end equals upset cus
110 Brilondon : No, no, no. It should not be the airlines who ultimately responsible. People should be responsible for them selves. Now that being said the airlines
111 AirNZ : First of all, what exactly do you mean by "domestic airline" and no, any airline whether 'domestic' or 'international' should not be accountable for
112 PHLBOS : You ARE aware that when an airline imposes something like a checked baggage fee, for example, that it's applied systemwide domestically? Meaning that
113 Ckfred : No, it's not. When you stay at a hotel with bellmen, your room rate pays the wages of the bellmen, whether you use him or not. Same with the pool, th
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