I wonder how many of the 30% of customers that check bags with them will go elsewhere.
Also at the bottom of the article, BA will begin to use a calculator on their website that will help buyers compare the total cost of their journey on BA vs. other carriers, which is designed to show the total costs (including on-board services, luggage, seat assignments, etc) of flying low-fare competitors. IMHO, they should have come up with this idea years ago.
Tharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11602 times:
Sounds like a ruse to wring wage concessions from the baggage handlers?
So he's saying unlimited number of carry-on size bags, with any excess being gate checked. Would that actually save them much money? They still need to have staff available to gate check the extra bags.
EUROBUS From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11504 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 2): But they dont have to , they can vote with their feet and fly another airline. Problem is people still complain and then go online and book them.
Let's compare the figures in a few months down the line. I for instance, have had to suffer the Ryanair experience twice. Two times too many and never again! And as BA has finally discovered, Ryanair is no bargain. And, when local regional authorities that are subsidising Mr O'Leary's cheerful business have their patience put at end, he will have to start looking into the dictionary again and search for the definitions of customer service, service expectations, price competitiveness and straight forward robbery.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11412 times:
So they will be scrapping all restrictions on on board luggage and eliminating all checked baggage? There is only so much space on the aircraft... what happens when passengers bring so much baggage that they cannot fit it under the seats and in the overhead bins? You can't gate check extra bags without baggage handlers, who I am assuming get laid off as part of the money Ryanair saves.
I flew Ryanair once, they were cheap, I got what I paid for. I've also flown BA, which I considered to be a great airline. BA is right, when you factor in all the little charges (not to mention the added cost of getting all the way out to airports such as LTN and STN), Ryanair really isn't that much cheaper.
OP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11204 times:
Quoting Dutchflyboi (Reply 8): "And passengers will take their own bags through security, departure lounges and across the runway to their plane.
They will then be able to carry on one piece of hand luggage but leave any other bags beside the aircraft to be loaded into the hold - and picked up the same way on arrival."
Roughly what proportion of their flights (if any) use gates vs. escalators to board the plane? I'd assume that gates would make the logistics of boarding and un-boarding a lot more difficult in this case.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3270 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11202 times:
This is ludicrous. Passengers cannot take their own hold suitcases (as opposed to hand luggage) to the plane - how would the suitcases be screened? Suitcases are screened by very powerful X-ray devices much stronger than those used for hand luggage. Additionally any attempt at doing that would likely lead to many delays if passengers are late showing up at the gate and also bring their suitcases to be loaded.
To be very honest, if a person is travelling somewhere for a few days hand luggage may be sufficient but if you are travelling with children or for a substantial holiday it would not be enough. Perhaps FR is saying in an underhand manner that it cannot compete against the holiday airlines, a market sector U2 and especially AB have seen major success in battling against.
Contrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10976 times:
What does the Ground Operations or Ramp Side for Ryanair have to say about this. Are they Union? Ramp Agents out of work now. Whats happening then with the people that load the freakin plane? Gonna try and follow up on this on my own but if you guys over there got some links please post them up. You may of guessed, I'm a ramp agent and this is unreal.
Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10855 times:
Maybe he will get the crew to load excess baggage at the bottom of the stairs, imagine the delays. In addition the xrays at security will not cope with all the extra bags, if you notice the q areas are quite tight and to get bags there will need more soace. I assume the arrogant man has TOLD the airports this will happen and they have fallen at his feet.
1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10836 times:
I could imagine this might (along with the no check in desks) create quite a few rows with the local authorities subsidising Ryanair, after all part of the reason they pay a subsidy is job creation. I certainly wouldn't be happy if I was in this position.
EZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2462 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10837 times:
Quoting Tharanga (Reply 4): So he's saying unlimited number of carry-on size bags, with any excess being gate checked. Would that actually save them much money? They still need to have staff available to gate check the extra bags.
This would be impossible, Ryanairs 737s seat 189 passengers, will they check every person carrying a bag? A full flight could easily take an hour to check all these bags at the gate.
At LTN the gates are always in use, most flight are a 25 min turn around, with this new idea, a gate that could be used for 2 flights an hour is now being used for just the 1 flight
With LTNs lack of gate space I cant see the airport allowing this!
Ammunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10824 times:
Depending on what the security restrictions are at specific airports, this does not sound all that absurd, with new x-ray machines currently on trial which would be able to screen any amount of liquid in baggage, which by next year should mean an easing in liquid restrictions in hand baggage, the only things that may count against this is terminal layout & x-ray capability.
The questions of whether cabin baggage can be screened to the extent/detail that hold baggage is- will be another matter- the x-ray industry is very innovative as we have seen post 9/11 e.t.c and will react to market demands, if FR can add flights i can see airports accomodating their requirements.
FR could reduce their handling agent costs further, which is what this is all about. FR do have the power to negotiate aggressively- when other airlines are showing little interest in expanding and handling agents losing contracts with airlines going bust/cutting routes, this will be welcome business if it means more volume of flights.
Saint Augustine- 'The world is a book and those who do not travel, read only 1 page'
IMO with the 'image' they've been publically declaring for years now they shouldn't be needing to come up with it at all. Certainly shows clearly to me they are running scared, and desperately trying to win back the very passengers they clearly showed they didn't want. Sad and pathetic really.
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 10): Let me get this right...Ryanair is eliminating airport check-in, but they charge money to check in online? How do you get around paying THAT fee?
Unfortunately, you'd actually be wrong. I would suggest actually understanding it correctly, or read mine and Pe@rson's numerous posts explaining it.
Tharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10551 times:
Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 15): This would be impossible, Ryanairs 737s seat 189 passengers, will they check every person carrying a bag? A full flight could easily take an hour to check all these bags at the gate.
Which is why I think this is
- MOL being MOL, and getting publicity in the way that only he does
- a way of putting pressure on ramp workers, to get concessions out of them
Davehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10456 times:
This plan will require specific areas for people to go and have their bags scanned at each airport. If the airport operators are willing to create this area then I could see it happening. I don't think it'll do wonders for their turnaround times though. Personally I cant be bothered with all the various charges and they never seem to work out cheaper for me so I don't fly with them, but plenty of people do and I'm sure plenty will be happy to carry their bag to the plane.
And BA/AF etc etc should have done the cost calculator thing years ago. BA's PR department is in general plain useless.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5682 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10437 times:
This reminds me of the old Candid Camera TV show where they come up with the most preposterous scenarios and then watch the reactions of people when they learn what's about to happen. I can't even imagine what they will think of next...
With all that empty room down in the belly now, I suppose they will figure out how to put seats there and double their passenger capacity...
This airline really is becoming a joke. Hopefully, travelers will finally say "Enough!" and go elsewhere for their air travel.
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4095 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10410 times:
My daughter always has a checked bag because the contact lens solution she uses only comes in bottles bigger than 100ml.
She is prepared to wait for it at the other end.
Luckily she usually travels on BA, because she lives near LHR, now she has no choice.
PHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10291 times:
Quoting Tharanga (Reply 18): a way of putting pressure on ramp workers, to get concessions out of them
I don't think Ryanair has any ramp workers, except may be at their largest bases in DUB and STN. The pressure would be on third-party handling companies. Most of the smaller airports where Ryanair flies probably have only one, so MOL cannot threaten them with giving his business to the competition.
There should be an easy fix to it, though: national passenger screening authorities could simply refuse to let passengers carry additional baggage through screening, or decide to charge Ryanair triple the amount in screening fees per passenger.
I think this entire idea is absolutely ludicrous: for one, it increases the general security risk because of the additional amount of baggage needing to be screened. Also, as some have already pointed out, the 25 min turn-around times would no longer be feasible. The likelihood of this idea ever getting implemented is probably the same as on-board toilet access for a fee.
I wonder if MOL has made a wager with his board of directors on how often he can get the company name mentioned in the media. Maybe he is in the process of winning a case of Bushmill's 21 yr malt soon, and than he'll shut up ...
Spud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9597 times:
Quoting Cba (Reply 7): not to mention the added cost of getting all the way out to airports such as LTN and STN
not relevent really.... LTN and STN are well connected to london by train and road networks. Both airports are on or just off the M25 so are no different to LHR or LGW in this respect. Plus there are people from outside london that find access to LTN/STN easier.
It all comes down to what you want in terms of service and the perceived cost of travelling FR v BA etc which as we all know full service carriers can be cheaper if you want to check baggage etc.
: I have flown Ryanair twice in the past - honestly never had a problem. I know I've probably been lucky, but in fairness if I want to go somewhere on a
: Years ago, FR did not charge extra for many things they are charging for now. I remember flying them NRN-CIA in 2005, at the time gate check-in and l
: Really not. Europeans don't have to live with US, UA, DL, AA, CO and their horror stories. At least, Europeans can decide to fly a major airline if t
: Which begs another question. EU regulations state that only liquids within 100ml may be taken on board as hand luggage. How does Ryanair propose that
: This is not good. An airline like BA should not be sniffling round in the dirt looking for possible truffles. When price matches service expectations
: Actually, that's awesome. No more waiting at the baggage claim for louse super slow airport workers. You might want to reconsider your trolley bag. T
: Me neither, but I don't think the idea is too absurd. I just think that the drawbacks far outweight the cost advantages, and that's why they won't in
: The 24Kg rule was enacted because of baggage handlers demands. It's EU law valid in EU countries. It has nothing to do with aviation in general. If y
: Unlike charging for online check in (which I believe will be found to be illegal -they will have to add the £10 on to the fair up front) or charging
: AFAIK, the law is that one baggage handler may not lift a bag weighting more than 24 kgs. That doesn't mean that you cannot have bags that are heavie
: I imagine they think that given their importance, they can actually influence people's behaviour so that pax who would otherwise travel with checked b
: Exactly We do have a good low fares airline called Easyjet...it is really good...nice new planes too
: I agree completely with you with respect to the check-in fee. I actually think that their way of presenting themselves hurts themselves more than it
: Another publicity stunt by Ryanair as usual If they do actually go ahead with this just like the toilet thing then i really hope people just stand up
: Not always the case. A large amount of people, particularly in the UK simply assume that the LCC will always be cheaper all things included. Case in
: Why do you hope that? What does it do to you if I (for example) fly on Ryanair? And many people would lose their jobs. Now that's nice in the current
: Never had any FR flight using a jetway. Even when there are jetways, we always took stair cases.
: And I travel HAM-FRA-HAM very regular always with a contact lense bottles bigger than 100ml. No problem at all, neither in HAM, nor in FRA. Its consi
: Sometimes I wonder how many people on Anet are enthusiasts and how many are disgruntled passengers. Seriously. Ryan is a business just like any other.
: I guess it depends on your final destination. If you want to go to Amstrdam flying to Eindhoven some 70 miles away would only save you 100Euro if you
: Good. Now Aer Lingus needs to WAKE UP and realize the potential here. On the routes that both EI and FR fly, Aer Lingus ought to offer one free bag. N
: Aint Ryanair looking after Costa Cruises guests? Wouldnt they require a baggage service?
: Ok, so instead of taking your luggage to check-in, you tote it to the gate, walk towards the aircraft, and hand it to a baggage handler at the stairs,
: Quote from the original article: Ryanair says that about 70 percent of customers already avoid checking bags. So, if already 70% of FR's pax do not ch
: I think 30 pounds in total to fly me to Germany and back with one small bag is certainly a bargain. I consistently purchase tickets for around this a
: Perhaps they want the cargo hold empty so they can start offering five dollar fares for people to ride down there.
: I am quite sure that you cannot classify every single FR passenger as either a passenger who never has a checked bag or as a passenger that always ha
: This sounds like an interesting concept, but not sure it will offer anything productive. Yes, the larger bags could be carried to the gate...anything
: Now, that sounds like the concept for "D.I.Y.-Airlines" ... -HT
: EI are not having many problems filling flights even at the moment, it is getting the yield that is the issue. Especially on leisure / sun routes, li
: I am a conservative too and I do agree that the airlines should run themselves as they wish. However, the reason the Federal Government in the US too
: There's no lost revenue. Ryanair (and most other low cost carriers in Europe) do not carry cargo. They must be doing something right or they wouldn't
: Good for you! I have only found that on a return trip, once you add all the different fees, the trick fees to catch you out when you are not familiar