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Benefits Of A DL/AS Merger  
User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 410 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8327 times:

Here is a very interesting and well thought out article on the benefits of a DL/AS merger. I know it has been suggested in the past, but if you buy this article in full, it seems like a no-brainer to me as well.

http://crankyflier.com/


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8309 times:



Quoting TheGov (Thread starter):

It is a very good idea. Gives them 3 gateways to Asia (LAX,PDX and SEA) The question is if Delta will go for it. IMO after NW is gone and its done then AS is next. IMO there will be a bidding war with AA but Delta has so much cash on hand that they could buy AS like it is nothing. For the "well the shareholders wont sell AS" folks. DL will offer such a sweet deal that it will be done.  Wink



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

DL should move quickly before RAH tries to assimilate AS.........RAH seems to be on a blitzkrieg buying campaign.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8264 times:



Quoting NorCal (Reply 2):
DL should move quickly before RAH tries to assimilate AS

Many believe that DL has made many behind the scene 'moves" in this regard much like the long checklist that they followed before announcing the DL/NW merger.


User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8225 times:
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Quite frankly, I simply don't see this happening any time soon. The State of Alaska would certainly exert heavy pressure to dissuade any potential buyers of the airline that so-happens to bear the state's name, as it would monopolize the Alaska market even further and potentially reduce service to many of the outlying villages.

I am unsure what the benefits of a DL and AS marriage would have that the newly expanded alliance would not offer. I am also skeptical that SEA can be used as a fortress Asian gateway the way SFO and LAX are simply due to the economies of scale, the LA basin and the Bay Area are much bigger centres of population than Puget Sound. In my opinion, SEA already has a good menu of service options with regards to Asia as it stands -- I can envisage an additional flight to China and maybe a flight to HKG, but that is probably it.

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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8187 times:

I think one reason AS has done so well is that the market to Alaska is limited. To deal with that, AS has a massive code-share network. As a result, they have MANY carriers feeding them pax.

Another key issue: how many non stops could DL support to Seattle to support non-stops to Asia? That is a key question.

I am not sure that DL has to many 767s. They have made a great use of that frame to Europe. Also, with PDX coming into the PDX-NRT mix, that will effect metal usage. Also, what about the A330s? The retiring 747s? The incoming 787s (someday)?

Finally, what about the Alaska routes proper? Could a case be made for DL holding them alone?

Dave



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8163 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 5):
what about the Alaska routes proper? Could a case be made for DL holding them alone?

Nothing precludes other airlines from operating in Alaska. That being said, what's the difference of Delta holding Alaska routes alone from Alaska Airlines holding Alaska routes alone?


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8145 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 6):
Nothing precludes other airlines from operating in Alaska. That being said, what's the difference of Delta holding Alaska routes alone from Alaska Airlines holding Alaska routes alone?

I agree, nothing precludes others from operating Alaska routes.

My question: Could DL have enough traffic to maintain the routes? A great deal of the AS strategy would seem to be the code shares, esp Seattle to Alaska on multiple carriers (UA, AA, DL, etc). As a result, at least 4 carriers are selling the same seats.

By itself, would DL have enough traffic to make the route profitable?

If DL wants SEA as a hub, wouldn't it make sense to build it up? Or even PDX, which they already have routes to Asia through.

Dave



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Delta's acquisition of Alaska/Horizon would be a complete disaster for one very big reason: a substantial portion of the Alaska/Horizon network would be unprofitable at Delta's cost levels.

Alaska is successful in its cornerstone key market - the West Coast - precisely because it has the right balance of low costs (by legacy standards) and high yields driven by its service, corporate contracts and premium amenities. Delta's costs are simply too high to make many of these highly competitive markets - where Southwest and others operate - workable.

And I'm not buying this whole concept that Seattle supposedly should be a "substantial international gateway," as it is "potentially the best hub to Asia in the whole lower 48." Sorry, but no. Seattle already is a substantial international gateway - with thousands of seats each week to several major global gateways in Europe and Asia. The market simply doesn't need more. If Seattle really was so spectacular as an Asian gateway because of its proximity, location, etc., than it would already be a huge Asian gateway. But the reality is that it's not, because there are other markets in the same neighborhood - namely LAX and San Francisco - that are far better. They may be somewhat farther away from Asia, but they're also massively larger markets with massively more demand and massively larger local markets to support bigger connecting opportunities overall to get people through those markets to Asian flights. Just because Seattle is closer on the Great Circle Mapper to Asian cities doesn't make it "the best hub to Asia."

Beyond that, I also highly doubt that the feds would let Delta merge with Alaska/Horizon. Delta is now the largest airline in the country, and is still in the process of digesting another of America's largest carriers. Every other U.S. carrier would either outright object to a Delta-Alaska merger, or throw it up into Delta's face for years to try and get international route authorities, etc.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8102 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 7):
If DL wants SEA as a hub, wouldn't it make sense to build it up? Or even PDX

That's what a well planned merger would accomplish. Acquiring a significant west coast operation with 100+ mostly new 737's is a quick means to that end.


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8080 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
IMO there will be a bidding war with AA but Delta has so much cash on hand that they could buy AS like it is nothing.

Delta doesn't have any cash on hand. You don't know how to read a balance sheet.

As of March 31, 2009, Delta had Current Assets of $8.057 billion and Current Liabilities of $11.527 billion.

Saying they have a lot of cash is like saying you have a lot of cash in your checking account without mentioning that you haven't paid rent, your car payment or utility bill for the month, and the total of all three is more than the cash in your account.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Which hub would die? PDX or SLC? I'm assuming PDX, but it's possible SLC sucks for DL but is geographically unique so they can't kill it. PDX has been a DL hub before which could be good or bad.

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7903 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
but it's possible SLC sucks for DL but is geographically unique so they can't kill it.

Absolutely does not suck for DL. Indeed, it is now stand alone DL's 2nd biggest hub and quite successful. SLC will not only remain a DL hub but will likely see more of a measured buildup over time.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7904 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
Which hub would die? PDX or SLC? I'm assuming PDX, but it's possible SLC sucks for DL but is geographically unique so they can't kill it. PDX has been a DL hub before which could be good or bad.

Salt Lake City is to Denver as Charlotte is to Atlanta.

Denver is the preeminent hub for serving the Mountain West for a variety of reasons, chief among them its location pretty much right in the middle of the region and its place is the primary economic and population center in the area. Geographically, Phoenix is too far south and Salt Lake too far west.

This is much like Atlanta which is, far and away, the biggest and most economically vital hub market in serving the Atlantic Southeast.

However, that being said, Salt Lake City is the only other market that can effectively serve the Mountain West region as a viable competitor hub to Denver. While it may be further west, it can still service many of the traffic flows going to the not only east-west, but also intra-region, and between the region and especially the west. Plus, again, Phoenix is too far south.

This is much like Charlotte which, while not as big or economically critical as Atlanta, is the only viable Atlanta alternative in the Atlantic Southeast.

Given the above, and Salt Lake City's strong economic trend and demographic fundamentals, I don't think Salt Lake City will cease to exist as a hub for a legacy carrier. Even if, hypothetically - and I doubt it would ever happen - Delta were to close it, another airline would probably come in and put some kind of a hub or hub-like presence there.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7879 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
Given the above, and Salt Lake City's strong economic trend and demographic fundamentals, I don't think Salt Lake City will cease to exist as a hub for a legacy carrier. Even if, hypothetically - and I doubt it would ever happen - Delta were to close it, another airline would probably come in and put some kind of a hub or hub-like presence there.

SLC works as a hub for DL today.

DL/AS represents significant upside opportunity for DL.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7856 times:
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Quoting Davescj (Reply 7):
Or even PDX, which they already have routes to Asia through.

DL already tried the PDX as an Asian gateway and it was not successful.

I have a tendency to agree with Commavia...DL would stick around for a short while...but would slowly dismantle Alaska's network, starting with the State of Alaska, then the West Coast. All of the 737-800's would end up on the East Coast. The 737-700's and 737-400's would end up in the desert along with the 737-400C's and the 737-400F.

There is no reason for DL to take over AS except to eliminate another airline from the industry.

The loss of AS would detrimental to the Pacific Northwest, Alaska and the west coast.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7835 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 14):
SLC works as a hub for DL today.

Like I said.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 14):
DL/AS represents significant upside opportunity for DL.

No it doesn't.

As I said, Delta's costs would instantly render a substantial portion of the Alaska/Horizon network unprofitable.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7803 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 16):
As I said, Delta's costs would instantly render a substantial portion of the Alaska/Horizon network unprofitable.

It could. But there is more to acquisitions than just the "network"



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1678 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7780 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 6):
Nothing precludes other airlines from operating in Alaska. That being said, what's the difference of Delta holding Alaska routes alone from Alaska Airlines holding Alaska routes alone?

The difference is that the State of Alaska has a lot more clout than it would ever hold over DL. That being said, all bets are off if AS ever ends up in financial straights and only DL is there as a mate.

Another anti-trust issue with this potential merger would be SEA, where the combination would by far run the show.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3045 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7716 times:

Wouldn't DL buying/merging with AS be pretty much the same misguided idea as AA buying QQ and AirCal (sorry, I have no idea what their letters were)? As in why buy the whole airline AND have to run it at a profit when cost-effective and trouble-free codeshares are readily available?

Is there some huge difference between the AA/QQ/AirCal scenario and the oft-rumored DL/AS merger/buyout that I'm not aware of?



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7579 times:
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Quoting OP3000 (Reply 18):
Another anti-trust issue with this potential merger would be SEA, where the combination would by far run the show.

How is that different from US running the show at CLT and PHX, or AA at MIA, DFW or UA at DEN and IAD, or DL at MSP, DTW, SLC, or CO at IAH, EWR, etc...


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7446 times:
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Quoting TSS (Reply 19):
AirCal (sorry, I have no idea what their letters were)

Air Cal was OC.

As mentioned earlier...DL would never have the intention of retaining any of Alaska's routes (with maybe some exceptions) long term...especially Alaska and the west coast.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7375 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15):
The 737-700's and 737-400's would end up in the desert along with the 737-400C's and the 737-400F.

I agree about the 734s, however, why would DL park the 73Gs? DL already operates the 73G, and I don't think they would get rid of AS' 73Gs, I think they would fit well into the Delta fleet.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7350 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 8):
Delta's costs are simply too high to make many of these highly competitive markets - where Southwest and others operate - workable.

Sorry, but the actual numbers don't support your claim.

Mainline CASM (ex-fuel) for 1st Quarter 2009
AS: 8.42
DL: 7.76

Adjusting for stage length would bring the two closer together, but overall AS has no definitive cost advantage over DL.

With that said, I tend to agree that DL merging with AS wouldn't work so well.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7223 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 22):
I agree about the 734s, however, why would DL park the 73Gs? DL already operates the 73G, and I don't think they would get rid of AS' 73Gs, I think they would fit well into the Delta fleet.

I only said that because the AS 73G's will not be in the Alaska fleet in the long term. I believe AS is going to standardize on 738's.


25 AirlineBrat : I have flown through SLC twice since May and found the OO/DL hub to be quite efficient. Even with tight connections. With that said, I do not think DL
26 Post contains images EA CO AS : DL and AS will not merge - DL gets substantially all of the benefits of a merger without the cost and headache associated with one via the comprehens
27 WESTERN737800 : I would like to see DL have a hub in SEA. On the other hand I would hate to see the state of Alaska lose the intra-Alaska service that they have. I do
28 AirframeAS : Won't the 734's be gone before this happens?
29 Brilondon : The reaction on A-net astounds me. DL has to finish their assimilation with NW and then take a hard look at how they want to proceed. It not as simpl
30 WorldTraveler : The whole reason for AS and DL signing the new agreement they did was to provide DL with the framework necessary to build a west coast-Asia route syst
31 Wedgetail737 : I totally disagree. Despite the fact that AS is based in SEA, the Alaska network is far different than the comparison to North Carolina. In fact, US
32 IcelandairMSP : So tell me again what the benefits for AS would be?
33 Citation501SP : There would be no benefit for Alaska Airlines, AS would cease to exist in a merged with Delta Carrier.
34 DL767captain : Taking over AS would be very interesting. I feel like AS would rather stay on their own, but they could offer a lot to DL. I wonder how they would han
35 MPDPilot : I just wanted to add two cents. I have two thoughts about this topic. First, an AS/DL merger would go together quite nicely. Their route structures wo
36 IcelandairMSP : So why are we even contemplating something so foolish?
37 CGKings317 : Another aspect to bring to the conversation is that AS, as a carrier that grew organically from the State of Alaska is steeped in the knowledge of how
38 Enilria : so, you have seen the P/Ls? I'm guessing you haven't. I haven't either, of course. It never looked very profitable, however, from the DOT data becaus
39 DL Widget Head : DL pilots operate in some of the most remote locations in the world from equatorial Africa, to the Amazon Jungle, to many of the constrained island a
40 Wedgetail737 : First of all, the OC/QQ merger with AA...almost all west coast flights...gone! PS merger with US...all west coast service...gone! RW's merger with RC
41 EA CO AS : Spoken like a true fanboy. DL has fine pilots, don't get me wrong - but flying into most cities in Alaska is truly like nothing they've ever faced be
42 Alaska737 : When I think of "challenging" airports in Alaska CDV is not one of them, other than that I agree with your post. Will there ever be a day when a-net
43 Post contains images DL Widget Head : Yes, flying in Alaska is challenging but certainly not something that scares DL. It's all a matter of training and DL maintains one of the finest pil
44 Wedgetail737 : Again, DL would not get any more benefit from a DL/AS merger except for airplanes and an elimination of another airline in the industry. DL would nev
45 AirframeAS : I have been asking this question many, many, MANY times on these dumb AS threads... and one mo' time.... I am gonna ask: Why are the majority of you h
46 CGKings317 : Amen! You recieve a for this question... I am wondering this same thing too, so this is good that you ask this AirframeAS ~CGKings317
47 DL Widget Head : Airplanes and the elimination of another airline hurts DL how? Not to mention the benefits to the industry as a whole. There are too many airlines in
48 MPDPilot : I don't think anyone hates them, I think that there are a number of people who really like the idea of the merger on paper. Like the routes and the a
49 DL Widget Head : What did PSA, Southern, Northeast, Northwest, TWA, Republic, AirCal, PeopleExpress, Western, National, North Central, Texas International, etc, etc,
50 Wedgetail737 : And you think DL is the solution to all of the airline industry woes? You're pretty biased. I never mentioned that DL would be hurt by AS. Never say
51 DL Widget Head : This thread is about the "benefits of a DL/AS merger". I was responding in that vein. I never said that DL holds they key to all of this industry's w
52 Labswalker : Delta has plenty of debt already.
53 Wedgetail737 : If there's any airline consolidation that needs to happen, it's the disappearance of UAL.
54 DL Widget Head : I don't think UA can stand alone at this point and there's no doubt where UA's senior management stands on the topic of consolidation. Now whether UA
55 AirframeAS : Actually, there is really no speculation. The only reason why we are even discussing this is because of the strengthened codeshare that DL and AS jus
56 Wedgetail737 : Awww, C'mon! We like to put out fruitless rhetoric and conjecture. You're no fun.
57 VirginFlyer : When every single flying object from kites to A380s to the International Space Station are operated by one mega-airline (A.netflot?) V/F
58 Lono : No they would not...... AS has 737's that they devote to Alaska service..... meaning if there is bad WX in JNU the 737 can wait in SIT or PSG.... DL
59 Wedgetail737 : Why would that be. The State of Alaska has a vetted interest in Alaska Airlines' existence because they play such a large impact to the Alaska econom
60 EA CO AS : Check your facts - the more comprehensive "we're going to be BFFs" codeshare/marketing agreement came about AFTER the DL/NW merger came about.
61 Jamake1 : Keep Alaska My Alaska. Enough said.
62 Alaska737 : I used to care about these threads and spend time putting up a reasonable and factual argument against them, then after the first 50 or so AS merger t
63 DL Widget Head : Try to pay attention EA CO AS... DL established a comprehensive code share agreement with NW prior to ever announcing a merger hence, one could expec
64 IcelandairMSP : That is a puerile and superficial understanding of a merger. Labor? Corporate structure? These are the paramount concerns. Not fleet and "locating in
65 Wedgetail737 : Well said! Just someone's pipe dream that DL will take over the world! (Pinky and the Brain). Next DL will pick up WN...then RAH...then OO (oh...they
66 EA CO AS : Wow. Could you possibly BE any more rude? Brilliant deduction. So I guess using your logic F9 and FL are about to merge, while AS is about to merge w
67 DeltAirlines : That's the crux of the issue. If Delta wanted to spend the money and buy Alaska, they could do just that - spend a ton of money and obtain a majority
68 AirframeAS : DITTO!!!!!!1 I'm heading that route now..... No one really has answered my age-old question in honesty yet. The only answers I got was bullcrap type
69 Wedgetail737 : [quote=EA CO AS,reply=66] [quote=AirframeAS,reply=68] Easy guys...don't take it too personal. Keep in mind that it's someone from the South that proba
70 Lono : The state of Alaska has no influence on what AS does.... On the contrary Pacific Northern Airlines which merged with WA started flying the same year
71 BigGSFO : Probably won't happen, but I would love to see AS buy some 787s and launch London, Tokyo, China, Hong Kong etc from SEA and maybe PDX and some seasona
72 Alitalia744 : Continuing to leverage and exploit the current marketing agreement between the two airlines presents Delta with tremendous future upside opportunity.
73 AirframeAS : I was beginning to think that.... Oh, with this whole F9/Republic thing....anything is possible in this industry. No doubting that! It has been shown
74 EA CO AS : That's not entirely true. At one point, AS considered going with a new logo that would have replaced the eskimo. The outcry from the citizens of Alas
75 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Were these the ones that AS wanted to keep permenantly?? View Large View MediumPhoto © Michel Gilliand View Large View MediumPhoto © Jack B
76 Ual777 : Wrong. If any airline needs to disappear its US and Virgin America.
77 HikesWithEyes : No, it was a stylized mountain range, not unlike the livery that QQ sported.
78 AirframeAS : I tried to find that in the database, but no avail.... I looked at all the 727's that AS had.... Could you possibly find a pic?
79 Post contains links HikesWithEyes : I haven't found one online yet, but here is an article that discusses it: http://www.seattlepi.com/archives/1988/8801020225.asp
80 NWAESC : LOL. Awesome! You do realize that this sort of masturbatory hubris undercuts any thing you subsequently type, right?
81 MPDPilot : Not to sound rude but after reading this I couldn't help but think that perhaps you might do the same thing. Perhaps you guys should take a second to
82 FlyASAGuy2005 : With MD-11s that they turned out to hate, no? For some reason, they seem to have confidence in SLC. I saw numbers some time this week in a thread tha
83 LAXdude1023 : So everyone who codeshares is preparing for a merger? Man that must mean that AS is going to merge with AA, CO, and DL. Wonder how thats going to pla
84 Commavia : What "tons" does Alaska have to gain from Delta? And - more importantly - what, exactly, does Alaska have to gain from merging with Alaska that they
85 AirframeAS : I do not support mergers and I never will. I believe in the phrase "Do or die". If you cannot cut it in this industry, then to the chopping block you
86 EA CO AS : again. Codesharing with AS works just fine for AA/CO/DL and it will likely continue to go that way indefinitely. Despite what the armchair CEOs here
87 MPDPilot : First off, I think you misunderstood me, I really don't think that a merger here is necessary, but getting all wired when it is suggested isn't neces
88 Post contains images AirframeAS : AS already gets that via code sharing already, do they not?   [Edited 2009-07-06 15:06:40]
89 Post contains links Commavia : I'm not getting wired, I'm discussing it - and asking what I think are relatively reasonable questions. As AirframeAS said, and as I and others asked
90 STT757 : CO recently stated they have no intentions of ending their codeshare arrangement with AS, even with the new UA joint partnership.
91 Commavia : I'm betting that would change if Delta were to acquire Alaska, which was the context in which I was making that point. I highly doubt we'd see Contin
92 MPDPilot : The tone of this thread just seem a little heated, my apologies. And they are very reasonable questions. As I am not a super fan of the merger either
93 HNL-Jack : I was with Alaska and part of the team that developed and launched the heritage livery in 1972, of which the Eskimo was one. In 1975 we looked at dev
94 EA CO AS : The question of whether or not to replace Chester actually came around again in the early 90s when the livery was updated. Again, the outcry from the
95 AirframeAS : The word "Alaska" on the fuselage is the same font as the Horizon on their fuselage. Do you two know what font that is in? Are you allowed to reveal
96 HNL-Jack : As far as I know, it is not a legitimate font, but created specifically for the livery by the design team who created the livery.
97 AirframeAS : Ahhhh.... clever those AS folks are!!!! Heh!
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