NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6794 posts, RR: 8 Posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8705 times:
Emirates A340-500 which nearly had a fatal accident in Melbourne 3 months ago has been ferried unpressurized to Toulouse following temporary repairs. It reached Toulouse 4 days ago. The final repair is estimated at $ 80 million.
BoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8510 times:
PER-DXB unpressurised in a modern heavy must have been an experience. So a used, repaired after major damage A340-500 is worth more than $80m you'd have thought so but some say that Airbus price like Hyundai.
Lightsaber From United States, joined Jan 2005, 4977 posts, RR: 86 Reply 4, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5872 times:
Quoting NA (Thread starter): Emirates A340-500 which nearly had a fatal accident in Melbourne 3 months ago has been ferried unpressurized
That would be painful to crew... How many stops along the way? Even empty...
On masks if at altitude (even then, unpressurized=cold).
Quoting Bochora (Reply 1): So it's not a write-off then.
I too am surprised.
$80mil sounds too much. You could saw off the aft fuselage and put a new one on for less than that. What this means, to me, is that critical structural members were not damaged (other than the pressure dome and surrounding structure). Maybe I should rephrase that... there was not damage near the wing box. Thus, its not as bad as I feared. (I suspected the tail striking the lights could have created enough stress to yield further forward.)
So... It could even be cheaper to repair. Oh... tens of millions! But with an intact cockpit, engines, gear/wingbox, and other parts, it shouldn't hit $80mil.
Quoting NA (Thread starter): http://avherald.com/h?article=416c9997/0009&opt=7168
The photo of the dirt scrape gives me shivers... If this event had not happened, I would not have believed a plane could strike its tail that far after the runway and make it.
Lightsaber
Need to throw a party every six months to organize the place.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6794 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3445 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11): Here are two pictures of the landing at TLS:
Like any pretty A345. Thanks.
Btw. What happened to the pilots which were responsible for this 80 million damage? Were they indeed fired, or, if they had backbone, left immiadetely on free will? Are they likely to be sued? After all, it was gross negligence.
Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 370 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3304 times:
Quoting NA (Reply 12): Btw. What happened to the pilots which were responsible for this 80 million damage? Were they indeed fired, or, if they had backbone, left immiadetely on free will? Are they likely to be sued? After all, it was gross negligence.
Let's not start this debate again.
They left the airline. Period.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6794 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3070 times:
Quoting Bochora (Reply 13): Let's not start this debate again.
They left the airline. Period.
I dont want to start a debate. I want to know what happened to them. Someone inflicting 80 million of damage and seriously risking the life of 200+ passengers is usually dealt with in the press. I have not heard anything but this "they left the airline two weeks later".
Say why do you want nobody to talk about it?
AT From United States, joined Jul 2000, 657 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3024 times:
Can someone elaborate what it means to ferry the plane "unpressurized"?
What is the purpose of that?
And if so how would the crew receive its oxygen? Through masks? Or do they fly at a low enough altitude that they don't need it?
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6794 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2699 times:
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 19): Do you know for sure they were responsible for causing the damage? And there were no other contributory factors?
Does that possibilty in any way justify not to ask?
There are almost always "contributory factors". When a car driver runs down an old lady or a lamp post, its often because he drank because his wife left him, because he was on the mobile phone, or ate an Hamburger, or was pressed by his boss. Punishment still follows, even for the most amateurish driver.
The more so it should for professional "drivers". Its the pilot who is mainly resonsible for a flight, and especially if we talk about an extreme calculation mistake he MUST have seen. If he did not, he obviously didnt do his job. Whatever the "contributory factors" are if there are any, grave negligence is the least he committed.
All I asked for is to know if someone here can say if and who is being held responsible for this severe incident other than just being fired (which wont do the case any justice). This is too serious to be brushed under the carpet. I´m sure all participants, the pilot(s) and the airline would like to do so, but I think its in public interest to put some light on it.
The least I´m looking for is universal pilot-defending without reason.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10659 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 17): Quoting AT (Reply 15):
What is the purpose of that?
To prevent the damaged pressure bulkhead from blowing out.
If the damaged structure can't handle the pressure of pressurized flight, the crew flies low and unpressurized.
Sometime in the late 1980s, a Canadian Airlines A310-300 (inherited from the takeover of Wardair) was seriously damaged while undergoing maintenance at YVR when it jumped the chocks during engine runs and hit a building. After temporary repairs it was also ferried unpressurized to TLS for permanent repairs. I've forgotten the details but I think they may have been preparing the aircraft for delivery to a new operator as CP didn't keep the 12 ex-Wardair A310s very long after the merger.
26 TN486: Geff Easdown, the journalist with the byline, would not have made the error (A350!!!!!!). I note it is correctly quoted as A340-500 in the articles t
27 R2rho: Cabin altitude is around 8000ft on your everyday flight, so yes, it is not a problem. If you like skiing like me, you've probably been at 10000ft alr
28 Jetfuel: Simple answers. Pilots were sacked.... Airline didnt want a write off on their history. Deal done via insurance to repair the bird...
29 SKAirbus: It's funny how people are getting so defensive about this... Not wanting to elaborate. Anyway for he benefit of those of us, who weren't quite sure w
30 Jetfuel: Its easy to find if you use the search function. Alternatively a simple google search will give you all the answers immediately http://www.flightglob
31 Zeke: The actual operating crew were not terminated, they apparently resigned . From what I understand, they were given the choice (resign or be sacked). T
32 N471wn: Does anyone know the status of this aircraft?
33 Golfradio: Sorry could not find out the answer to this. Why would EK or for that matter an airline not want a write off on their history? From a layman's perspe
34 AirIndia: Yes u r correct. It flew at 10K feet............ isnt it true that its the insurance cos decision about repair vs write off............. or their adv
35 Brons2: Read the thread again and you will find the answer that you seek.
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Oh... tens of millions! But with an intact cockpit, engines, gear/wingbox, and other parts, it shouldn't hit $80mil. 
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