NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6905 posts, RR: 8 Posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10073 times:
Emirates A340-500 which nearly had a fatal accident in Melbourne 3 months ago has been ferried unpressurized to Toulouse following temporary repairs. It reached Toulouse 4 days ago. The final repair is estimated at $ 80 million.
BoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9878 times:
PER-DXB unpressurised in a modern heavy must have been an experience. So a used, repaired after major damage A340-500 is worth more than $80m you'd have thought so but some say that Airbus price like Hyundai.
Lightsaber From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5164 posts, RR: 86 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7240 times:
Quoting NA (Thread starter): Emirates A340-500 which nearly had a fatal accident in Melbourne 3 months ago has been ferried unpressurized
That would be painful to crew... How many stops along the way? Even empty...
On masks if at altitude (even then, unpressurized=cold).
Quoting Bochora (Reply 1): So it's not a write-off then.
I too am surprised.
$80mil sounds too much. You could saw off the aft fuselage and put a new one on for less than that. What this means, to me, is that critical structural members were not damaged (other than the pressure dome and surrounding structure). Maybe I should rephrase that... there was not damage near the wing box. Thus, its not as bad as I feared. (I suspected the tail striking the lights could have created enough stress to yield further forward.)
So... It could even be cheaper to repair. Oh... tens of millions! But with an intact cockpit, engines, gear/wingbox, and other parts, it shouldn't hit $80mil.
Quoting NA (Thread starter): http://avherald.com/h?article=416c9997/0009&opt=7168
The photo of the dirt scrape gives me shivers... If this event had not happened, I would not have believed a plane could strike its tail that far after the runway and make it.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6905 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4813 times:
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11): Here are two pictures of the landing at TLS:
Like any pretty A345. Thanks.
Btw. What happened to the pilots which were responsible for this 80 million damage? Were they indeed fired, or, if they had backbone, left immiadetely on free will? Are they likely to be sued? After all, it was gross negligence.
Bochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4672 times:
Quoting NA (Reply 12): Btw. What happened to the pilots which were responsible for this 80 million damage? Were they indeed fired, or, if they had backbone, left immiadetely on free will? Are they likely to be sued? After all, it was gross negligence.
Let's not start this debate again.
They left the airline. Period.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6905 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4438 times:
Quoting Bochora (Reply 13): Let's not start this debate again.
They left the airline. Period.
I dont want to start a debate. I want to know what happened to them. Someone inflicting 80 million of damage and seriously risking the life of 200+ passengers is usually dealt with in the press. I have not heard anything but this "they left the airline two weeks later".
Say why do you want nobody to talk about it?
AT From United States, joined Jul 2000, 660 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4392 times:
Can someone elaborate what it means to ferry the plane "unpressurized"?
What is the purpose of that?
And if so how would the crew receive its oxygen? Through masks? Or do they fly at a low enough altitude that they don't need it?
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 6905 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 19): Do you know for sure they were responsible for causing the damage? And there were no other contributory factors?
Does that possibilty in any way justify not to ask?
There are almost always "contributory factors". When a car driver runs down an old lady or a lamp post, its often because he drank because his wife left him, because he was on the mobile phone, or ate an Hamburger, or was pressed by his boss. Punishment still follows, even for the most amateurish driver.
The more so it should for professional "drivers". Its the pilot who is mainly resonsible for a flight, and especially if we talk about an extreme calculation mistake he MUST have seen. If he did not, he obviously didnt do his job. Whatever the "contributory factors" are if there are any, grave negligence is the least he committed.
All I asked for is to know if someone here can say if and who is being held responsible for this severe incident other than just being fired (which wont do the case any justice). This is too serious to be brushed under the carpet. I´m sure all participants, the pilot(s) and the airline would like to do so, but I think its in public interest to put some light on it.
The least I´m looking for is universal pilot-defending without reason.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10832 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3846 times:
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 17): Quoting AT (Reply 15):
What is the purpose of that?
To prevent the damaged pressure bulkhead from blowing out.
If the damaged structure can't handle the pressure of pressurized flight, the crew flies low and unpressurized.
Sometime in the late 1980s, a Canadian Airlines A310-300 (inherited from the takeover of Wardair) was seriously damaged while undergoing maintenance at YVR when it jumped the chocks during engine runs and hit a building. After temporary repairs it was also ferried unpressurized to TLS for permanent repairs. I've forgotten the details but I think they may have been preparing the aircraft for delivery to a new operator as CP didn't keep the 12 ex-Wardair A310s very long after the merger.
TN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 373 posts, RR: 1 Reply 26, posted (5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3720 times:
Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 25): Any click on the link and notice the headline?
Glenn
Geff Easdown, the journalist with the byline, would not have made the error (A350!!!!!!). I note it is correctly quoted as A340-500 in the articles text. Not a good look for one of Melbournes "trusted" newspapers. But there again, those of the public who are not aviation minded would not know the difference.
remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
R2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 897 posts, RR: 1 Reply 27, posted (5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3701 times:
Quoting AT (Reply 18): at 10,000 ft would their be enough air and oxygen?
Cabin altitude is around 8000ft on your everyday flight, so yes, it is not a problem. If you like skiing like me, you've probably been at 10000ft already - without an oxygen mask
Airline didnt want a write off on their history. Deal done via insurance to repair the bird...
It's funny how people are getting so defensive about this... Not wanting to elaborate.
Anyway for he benefit of those of us, who weren't quite sure what happened, a nice explanation would be good.. Saves having to look through the countless other posts..
The actual operating crew were not terminated, they apparently resigned . From what I understand, they were given the choice (resign or be sacked). The path they took they we able to leave DXB with their retirement fund. If they were sacked, every chance they would have ended up in a goal.
The head of safety resigned his post after the incident over the treatment of the pilots (i.e. "Just Culture"), with the assumption he would go back to being a line pilot, apparently he was sacked.
Cathay Pacific wins Airline of the Year 2009 Award. Great service. Great people. Great fares.
N471wn From United States, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 359 posts, RR: 1 Reply 32, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2745 times:
Quoting Golfradio (Reply 33): Why would EK or for that matter an airline not want a write off on their history?
isnt it true that its the insurance cos decision about repair vs write off............. or their advice perhaps weighs the most in such decisions.........?
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Oh... tens of millions! But with an intact cockpit, engines, gear/wingbox, and other parts, it shouldn't hit $80mil. 
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